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Did you kill the Architect or let him live ?


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#51
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Why would people change their opinion based on The Calling? It's obvious that he is an extreme case of tunnel vision. He wants to mass produce wardentrublood that cures hive mind. It's as reckless a plan as any. They are pretty much an engineered warrior race that no one knows how to beat and they will all gain free will and higher mental functions. What can possibly go wrong?

 

He doesn't even know what exactly happens when he gives the blood to darkspawn. He started a blight, the game already features a crazy broodmother that gains free will and the only thing she wants to do is to hear the song again. And she gives birth to abominations that the moment they hatch can devour a person whole. Who knows what else may happen down the road. 

 

I haven't read the novel but I doubt it's much worse. I've read the summary from wiki and the only difference is that now he is more considerate for the other races and tries to understand. That's his whole selling point and the chance for a mutually beneficial compromise.

 

I completely agree with you. In my estimation, the Architect and his awakened are a far worse threat than the blights, because they have all the danger of darkspawn without the one single bleak hope Thedas had so far - that killing the AD causes the horde to retreat. With the exception of the Messenger, they've all been pure evil, and the Messenger still arguably does as much harm as good. 

 

As best I understand it, his original plan was the mass genocide of every non-darkspawn race in thedas by turning them all into ghouls (and by extension mutating many women into brood mothers, so there was a mass scale rape as part of his genocide). He dropped this plan, though it's not clear if he realized how stupid it is since his darkspawn need to mass rape women to actually create more of themselves and without GW blood he can't make them sentient (though I don't know if he could do he reverse joining by that point). 



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Joe-Poe

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My wardens always killed him....but with the keep I guess I can explore not killing him and see what the difference is in DAI....If any.



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Character side:  For the sake of thedas he should be killed. 

 

Player side:  For the sake of revealing dialogue and future gameplay he should be spared. ;)


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Let him live.

 

No one really knows if his actions in the future will lead to a good or bad outcome. it all assumptions right now based on a past event he took part in where the Warden never knew about.



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Let him live.

 

No one really knows if his actions in the future will lead to a good or bad outcome. it all assumptions right now based on a past event he took part in where the Warden never knew about.

 

The events that involved the Warden were pretty bad. He straight up tried to kill you by unleashing two dragon on you. He took you prisoner and threw you in his bondage/experiment dungeon. And on a less charitable interpretation of his motives, had Vigil assaulted and tried to kidnap you at least once. Plus his men were actively going out trolling/killing elves and trying to incite a war with the humans for the lulz. 



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Let him live in playthroughs in which it made sense for my character to do so. It's not my decision! :P

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I completely agree with you. In my estimation, the Architect and his awakened are a far worse threat than the blights, because they have all the danger of darkspawn without the one single bleak hope Thedas had so far - that killing the AD causes the horde to retreat. With the exception of the Messenger, they've all been pure evil, and the Messenger still arguably does as much harm as good. 

 

In my opinion, the gamble is, Awakened or the uncertainty of what happens even after the last Archdemon is defeated. We don't know exactly how numerous the Darkspawn are, What will happen when they stop being lured by the song. Will they turn feral and start attacking everything at a global scale? This would be devastating. At least a blight has purpose. They move like an army and are predictable to a certain degree.

 

The fine point here is that without blights there is no need for Grey Wardens so the blood supply of the Awakened will cease to be. But on the other hand no Grey Wardens means that there will be none to keep the Awakened, no matter how few, in check.



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In my opinion, the gamble is, Awakened or the uncertainty of what happens even after the last Archdemon is defeated. We don't know exactly how numerous the Darkspawn are, What will happen when they stop being lured by the song. Will they turn feral and start attacking everything at a global scale? This would be devastating. At least a blight has purpose. They move like an army and are predictable to a certain degree.

 

The fine point here is that without blights there is no need for Grey Wardens so the blood supply of the Awakened will cease to be. But on the other hand no Grey Wardens means that there will be none to keep the Awakened, no matter how few, in check.

 

Yes, your take is entirely right. It's a question of whether having no ADs means a genocidal campaign waged by the darkspawn vs. the risk the Awakened will start the same thing anyway. 

 

There's no scenario with the Blights that doesn't end in war. The Awakened will still need massive raids to capture women for their rape factories to create broodmothers. Even if somehow all Awakened decided to never pursue any form or organized conquest of the surface and/or Orzammar, and even if somehow they had the exact same moral/code values as every other race in Thedas, they'd still kill each other, die through accidents, etc. Their population would drop just through sheer attrition. They need rape factories to keep up their numbers, and with the rape factories comes the need for Grey Warden blood factories to awaken the darkspawn they create. So there's no scenario where there won't be organized raids of the surface to keep grabbing non-darkspawn for breeding. 

 

I suppose the argument for the Architect is that the Awakened will presumably be smart enough to realize that they can't just exterminate all races of thedas otherwise they'd sign their own death warrant, so by allowing him to live you might well save some portion of the non-darkspawn. 


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There's no scenario with the Blights that doesn't end in war.

 

This pretty much sums my thoughts. The only question is how big is the big picture. 



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This pretty much sums my thoughts. The only question is how big is the big picture. 

 

Exactly. In hindsight, I think allowing him to live is the safer choice, because there's no way to really consider the issue deeply at the time and reviving him is harder to fix than tracking him down if he's alive. Although I think the real smart choice is to ask for his blood to use as a phylactery. That would be the best stopgap measure. 



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I slew him. He's a darkspawn and having read the Calling, I think the plan for making everyone into a hybrid is not sexy at all.



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X.X

R.I.P



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I don't really understand the motive of the people who let another Darkspawn live.

 

I mean even if everything he tells you is true, the problem is that he's still a Darkspawn and his very presence destroys life. Normal people and Darkspawn can't coexist in the same world. It's like letting someone with the most infectious disease in the world out of containment just because they wanted to go to the supermarket. NO. You have to remain in containment for the sake of all the people who aren't infected.



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I didn't read the calling, and I let him live. And at the end of Awakening, the one darkspawn that could speak chose to help people. If I had killed the architect, that might not have happened.

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Kill, You can't trust darkspawn

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Melcolloien

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I have let him live once or twice...But no, I say kill him.

As if him starting the fifth blight was not enough, after reading about his plan in The Calling there is no way. He is way too dangerous.



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Maybe my thought process was wrong...but I thought I'd keep him alive because he would be able to counteract whatever control Corypheus has over people. (I guess I'm metagaming.. but oh well). I kinda figure him as being the unknown outlier. Like a flemeth. You just really don't know what'll happen. But I could be totally wrong - probably am. I'm really not good about lore stuff.



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The Night Haunter

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I killed him. And I let him live. Different playthroughs will have different settings.



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john-in-france

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I was a Grey Warden, he was Darkspawn, and many times I was Warden Aeducan...it was a no brainer. RIP.



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I killed him for the same reason, why i would never choose Synthesis in ME 3.

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Killed him, read the Calling. I explain why in a spoiler tag.

 

Spoiler


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Have to admit, I let him live. I can't exactly remember why but I think I bought his reasoning that they wanted to co-exist. I realize now it was probably the wrong decision to make.



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He dead
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Killed him. Never read the Calling, but I had a general distrust of Darkspawn and did skim through a wiki of the Calling.



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I let him live...and I did not read the calling!

 

Now I really wish I killed him.

 

Dah well.

 

Don't worry, you still have the Keep to make rights to that :)