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heretica

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Is it a gift from the Maker? Is it a curse? If it’s a gift from the maker, why do they mistreat mages? :( 

 

It seems that one of the strongest arguments against mages is the fear of demonic possession and the use of blood magic. But not every mage is a blood mage, and let’s keep in mind magic is also very helpful (healing spells, protective spells…) So much for hating the Tevinter Imperium because they are slavers. The circle is a form of slavery too.  :huh: 

 

 

So what? Where do you stand? 



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Icy Magebane

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Magic exists to serve man and never to rule over him.  Foul and corrupt are they who have taken His gift and turned it against His children.


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A gift, but a dangerous gift. Just like someone should be taught to use a sword before using it, someone should be taught to use magic before using it. Simple really. The Circle is necessary, it just needs a lot of work. 


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I stand with Mages at all times. I would definitely wish to be a mage if that were possible. Anyway, I feel like it's a gift. A genetic gift that has nothing to do with any God. 

 

It is, however, something that should be monitored. It is to be watched by it's wielders and not tin men in suits who have no clue about what Mages go through. Policing something through an external force is seldom successful. 


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heretica

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Magic exists to serve man and never to rule over him.  Foul and corrupt are they who have taken His gift and turned it against His children.

 

That's an interesting thought. I take it it means the Tevinter magisters who tried to usurp the throne of the Maker, if memory doesn't fail me. But then again, it doesn't seem very just to take the blame on a mage kid that had nothing to do with that event. 

 

A gift, but a dangerous gift. Just like someone should be taught to use a sword before using it, someone should be taught to use magic before using it. Simple really. The Circle is necessary, it just needs a lot of work. 

 

Exactly. They should be taught to use magic. The question lies in a proper education. You don't hold up a bunch of warriors in a tower for the rest of their lives just because there is a chance they might go crazy and start killing everyone. 

 

I stand with Mages at all times. I would definitely wish to be a mage if that were possible. Anyway, I feel like it's a gift. A genetic gift that has nothing to do with any God. 

 

It is, however, something that should be monitored. It is to be watched by it's wielders and not tin men in suits who have no clue about what Mages go through. Policing something through an external force is seldom successful. 

 

A genetic gift, that's also an interesting thought. As Snook said before, they should be taught how to use it. As far as I know, no mages signed up the Nevarran accord, they did not participate in the creation of the circles and they were not asked if they wanted to join in the first place. I'd be okay with a Circle that worked like the medieval universities, but i'm totally against this opression. They are no better than the Tevinter Imperium.


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Its a gift for good or ill. Its up to the users to deciede what it is
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Aren't there like a quadrillion threads exactly like this already? You can even predict the pattern of how they go before they get locked - mage oppression, mage freedom, all mages are victims, all Templars are evil, blah blah blah, blood magic, Anders was right, Anders was wrong, #NotAllMages, #NotAllTemplars, mage supremacy, your momma, no your momma; then mod comes in, closes thread, a new one pops up in a few days. It's like the BSN's own Circle of Life.


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I don't trust magic half as far as I can toss it, but I can see its usefulness, hence I tolerate it.


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Aren't there like a quadrillion threads exactly like this already? You can even predict the pattern of how they go before they get locked - mage oppression, mage freedom, all mages are victims, all Templars are evil, blah blah blah, blood magic, Anders was right, Anders was wrong, #NotAllMages, #NotAllTemplars, mage supremacy, your momma, no your momma, then mod comes in, closes thread, new one pops up in a few days. It's like the BSN's own Circle of Life.

All the best discussions are ones that endure for long periods of time  :)


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Aren't there like a quadrillion threads exactly like this already? You can even predict the pattern of how they go before they get locked - mage oppression, mage freedom, all mages are victims, all Templars are evil, blah blah blah, blood magic, Anders was right, Anders was wrong, #NotAllMages, #NotAllTemplars, mage supremacy, your momma, no your momma; then mod comes in, closes thread, a new one pops up in a few days. It's like the BSN's own Circle of Life.

 

See? This is why we can't have nice things. I bet you are a Templar supporter. It's okay, come out and express yourself, we won't judge you.


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See? This is why we can't have nice things. I bet you are a Templar supporter. It's okay, come out and express yourself, we won't judge you.

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I will.


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I'm for training mages in a safe environment. One that is not so oppressive. So I'm pro-Circle with a few modifications. Conversations with Vivienne will be interesting.


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Aren't there like a quadrillion threads exactly like this already? You can even predict the pattern of how they go before they get locked - mage oppression, mage freedom, all mages are victims, all Templars are evil, blah blah blah, blood magic, Anders was right, Anders was wrong, #NotAllMages, #NotAllTemplars, mage supremacy, your momma, no your momma; then mod comes in, closes thread, a new one pops up in a few days. It's like the BSN's own Circle of Life.

But, whatever should we talk about instead then!?!?! NUGS?



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It's a gift, and a cool one at that. I want some magic! :P

 

In a way it can be considered a curse, because those who fear it will try to control it, but those attempts at controlling lead to strong backlash like... wars!

 

Like many skills, it can be used for good and evil, depending on who wields it. I agree it should be monitored, but also agree with what was said earlier about having it monitored by an outside source being a poor method. 


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TheJediSaint

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Well, it's a energy field created by all living things.  It surrounds us and penetrates us.  It binds the G-

 

Oh, I'm reading from the wrong source material, never mind.


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Magic exists to serve man and never to rule over him.  

For domination is for others to do . 

 

Muh! Gimme mah Blood Magic back !!!!!!!  :lol:

 

I'm a Pro-Mage , Anti circle , anti chantry and ANTI TEMPLAR!!! 

 

But.....I would be Pro-circle ONLY IF the Mages themself are in charge of the circle and no damn Templar around . 

 

As for magic itself , the event in DA2 were due to templar/Mages actions . Not just mages . 

And I believe that it was said before...

 

 

Like many skills, it can be used for good and evil, depending on who wields it

So there , I agree with this . And also mention that its exagerrated how much emphasis is put on mages and their cursed powers . 



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Magic is power. It can be used for good, evil, or silly stuff. The demonic possession thing is a problem, though. Blood magic is also of neutral morality. The Chantry uses blood magic in the phylacteries. Several of my mages have been blood mages as well as very good people. The problem of blood magic is that it can control people's minds, which is a big no-no in Chantry morality. As for the whole "mages always want more power" thing, life force is easier to find than lyrium.



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I think magic is a gift. It's a skill like anything else that has to be honed and crafted to be effective.



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Kalas Magnus

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A gift from the maker.

 

mages are superior. only the weak ones fall prey to demons.



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heretica

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I will.

 

Come at me. I'm eager to discuss! (Also, I see what you did there. Was about to link a Boondocks video myself, but maybe this is not the best place to do so)

 

I'm for training mages in a safe environment. One that is not so oppressive. So I'm pro-Circle with a few modifications. Conversations with Vivienne will be interesting.

 

Yes, i agree 100%. YES to training, NO to slavery.

It's a gift, and a cool one at that. I want some magic! :P

 

In a way it can be considered a curse, because those who fear it will try to control it, but those attempts at controlling lead to strong backlash like... wars!

 

Like many skills, it can be used for good and evil, depending on who wields it. I agree it should be monitored, but also agree with what was said earlier about having it monitored by an outside source being a poor method. 

 

Yeah! look at that poor Trevelyan mage! First signs of magical ability show up and BAM, you no longer are able to reclaim your title, land, money. And on top of that they throw you into a tower with a bunch of guys in armor watching you bathe. I'd be so angry demons would be the least of my problems.



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It is the most interesting and momentous phenomenon to occur in Thedas.



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The circle itself is not that bad of an idea, although it has a few problems that need to be fixed. For one thing, mages need to be able to get out and travel. Being locked up is going to make a lot of people crazy. Also the templars need to police themselves and keep bad people out of their ranks. Remember that templar rapist Ser Alric or something?


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So far we all seem to agree that the Circle itself it's not a bad idea as long as they don't use the force to keep mages there. In fact it is true being locked up is going to make a lot of people crazy, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe that's also why some mages turn to blood magic? 

 

I remember there was this DA:O epilogue in which Cullen just runs away on a mage killing spree. But last time I checked the DA Wiki, it said it was dismissed as rumours in DA2. It would be cool to see someone doing a Templar judgement so they answer for all the crimes against mages. 



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See? This is why we can't have nice things. I bet you are a Templar supporter. It's okay, come out and express yourself, we won't judge you.

 

Oh I definitely am, and I'm cool with your judgement. You can judge me all you want once you're sitting nice and quiet back in the Circle where you belong, apostate. :police:



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It seems that one of the strongest arguments against mages is the fear of demonic possession and the use of blood magic. But not every mage is a blood mage, 

 

You remind me of Orsino.

 

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