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#26
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Is it a gift from the Maker? Is it a curse? If it’s a gift from the maker, why do they mistreat mages? :( 

 

It seems that one of the strongest arguments against mages is the fear of demonic possession and the use of blood magic. But not every mage is a blood mage, and let’s keep in mind magic is also very helpful (healing spells, protective spells…) So much for hating the Tevinter Imperium because they are slavers. The circle is a form of slavery too.  :huh: 

 

 

So what? Where do you stand? 

 

Well it depends on my character. My first inquistor is one who is going to be a human female rogue, I am still working on a given name for her atm :P. For her as she is the most thought out character I have in my mind her views can be summed up with this passage from the chant of light. 

 

"Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him. 

Foul and corrupt are they
Who have taken His gift
And turned it against His children.
They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones.
They shall find no rest in this world

Or beyond." 

 

This passage from the chant of light explains her view rather well, but it is best to break it down to explain it properly. This way her views can come through. 

 

Magic exists to serve man: Magic is meant to help mankind, and other races. It has benefits that can greatly help mankind. Magic is one of the Maker's gifts to mankind, but as seen in the next passage it is dangerous. She believes the circle is a good thing, as it is under chantry rule. Though mages should not be locked away in the circle but be allowed to visit family, and more importantly use magic to help people. You can't do the maker's work if you are locked away in a tower for all of your life after all. 

 

Never rule over him: As beneficial as magic is a dangerous power. It holds great temptations, from demons to blood mages. They should be watched for that.  It also means that mages should not be rulers in the world. The tevinter's form of goverment with mages in charge is in her mind both just utterly wrong and blasphemous. 

 

Foul and corrupt are they who have taken His gift and turned it against His children: part of this is about the story of how the Magisters of the Tevinter Imperium damned the world though the usage of magic. But this is also a warning of the dangers of magic, that they would go against the maker if they fall prey to tempations.

 

The other part of this is that magic can corrupt you. You can become an Abomniation. This is why the Templar order is needed. To help mages from falling to this temptation and from becoming evil. Mages have many temptions, the templars are guardians against that corruption that may occur. Of course in her mind Templars are meant to be the companion to the mages, and people who can help them use their magic so they do not corrupt themselves or use their magic for foul means. 

 

They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones: a simple but powerful statment, the mages who use the vile magical styles ie blood magic are cursed by the maker for their vile actions. Using this magic marks you as a Maleficar. Once you become a blood mage, your soul is damned already. 

 

They shall find no rest in this world or beyond: This is simple to her. Maleficar die. In her mind if you become a blood mage, consort with demons and other vile magic then she is just in her view to put you down. A blood mage in her mind has no morals, thus if she encounters mages of this type they die. They do not get a chance to run away.

 

So as you can likely see, she is rather supportive of the templar order. Mind you this is just one character, others will have rather different views, such as my dalish mage. 


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Magic is a NATURAL PHENOMENON. It is not sinful. It is not evil. It is not meant to serve anyone. Literally, it exists because the Veil is unable to completely separate the Fade and the Material World. Yes, bad apples on both sides of the Veil ruin magic for people, but that does not make magic inherently evil. Magic isn't a gift either, or this blessed thing. Magic can't be judged on that sort of scale, because it's a natural phenomenon.

That said, magi cannot be defined by good or evil either. Having the power to utilize magic is as natural as magic itself. Magi can make of their magic as they wish, and define themselves as good or evil. They are not inherently evil or blessed or anything like that.



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Neutral because Magic is neither good nor evil.

 

Magic allows Thedas to have the ability to cure diseases such as AIDs and Cancer.

 

However, Magic can also be abused to cause harm, murder, and Mass destruction.

 

 

It is not Magic that is good or evil but the person that uses it.



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Come at me. I'm eager to discuss! (Also, I see what you did there. Was about to link a Boondocks video myself, but maybe this is not the best place to do so)

 

I just couldn't help but think of Riley when you said you wouldn't judge that person. Riley judges everything on a gay/not gay basis because... Why not?

 

Oh and I wasn't saying I was judging YOU! I was gonna judge them for supporting Templars! We're on the same page because we both like Boondocks AND Reformed Circles.


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Oh I definitely am, and I'm cool with your judgement. You can judge me all you want once you're sitting nice and quiet back in the Circle where you belong, apostate. :police:

 

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Magic is everything. Magic is life.
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I just couldn't help but think of Riley when you said you wouldn't judge that person. Riley judges everything on a gay/not gay basis because... Why not?

 

Oh and I wasn't saying I was judging YOU! I was gonna judge them for supporting Templars! We're on the same page because we both like Boondocks AND Reformed Circles.

 

Haha, excuse my poor reading skills. I cannot guarantee my intellectual integrity right now. (see avatar)  :P

 

 

It is not Magic that is good or evil but the person that uses it.

 

You hit the nail on the head. It's about persons here. A criminal is a criminal. Shouldn't make a difference if he uses the sword or a spelll. 

 

Magic is a NATURAL PHENOMENON. It is not sinful. It is not evil. It is not meant to serve anyone. Literally, it exists because the Veil is unable to completely separate the Fade and the Material World. Yes, bad apples on both sides of the Veil ruin magic for people, but that does not make magic inherently evil. Magic isn't a gift either, or this blessed thing. Magic can't be judged on that sort of scale, because it's a natural phenomenon.

That said, magi cannot be defined by good or evil either. Having the power to utilize magic is as natural as magic itself. Magi can make of their magic as they wish, and define themselves as good or evil. They are not inherently evil or blessed or anything like that.

 

So, you understand magic as a separate, natural phenomenon? Then how do you explain some people have the ability to affect and create using magic as opposed to others who don't ? 

 

Well it depends on my character. My first inquistor is one who is going to be a human female rogue, I am still working on a given name for her atm  :P. For her as she is the most thought out character I have in my mind her views can be summed up with this passage from the chant of light. 

 

"Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him. 

Foul and corrupt are they
Who have taken His gift
And turned it against His children.
They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones.
They shall find no rest in this world

Or beyond." 

 

This passage from the chant of light explains her view rather well, but it is best to break it down to explain it properly. This way her views can come through. 

 

Magic exists to serve man: Magic is meant to help mankind, and other races. It has benefits that can greatly help mankind. Magic is one of the Maker's gifts to mankind, but as seen in the next passage it is dangerous. She believes the circle is a good thing, as it is under chantry rule. Though mages should not be locked away in the circle but be allowed to visit family, and more importantly use magic to help people. You can't do the maker's work if you are locked away in a tower for all of your life after all. 

 

Never rule over him: As beneficial as magic is a dangerous power. It holds great temptations, from demons to blood mages. They should be watched for that.  It also means that mages should not be rulers in the world. The tevinter's form of goverment with mages in charge is in her mind both just utterly wrong and blasphemous. 

 

Foul and corrupt are they who have taken His gift and turned it against His children: part of this is about the story of how the Magisters of the Tevinter Imperium damned the world though the usage of magic. But this is also a warning of the dangers of magic, that they would go against the maker if they fall prey to tempations.

 

The other part of this is that magic can corrupt you. You can become an Abomniation. This is why the Templar order is needed. To help mages from falling to this temptation and from becoming evil. Mages have many temptions, the templars are guardians against that corruption that may occur. Of course in her mind Templars are meant to be the companion to the mages, and people who can help them use their magic so they do not corrupt themselves or use their magic for foul means. 

 

They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones: a simple but powerful statment, the mages who use the vile magical styles ie blood magic are cursed by the maker for their vile actions. Using this magic marks you as a Maleficar. Once you become a blood mage, your soul is damned already. 

 

They shall find no rest in this world or beyond: This is simple to her. Maleficar die. In her mind if you become a blood mage, consort with demons and other vile magic then she is just in her view to put you down. A blood mage in her mind has no morals, thus if she encounters mages of this type they die. They do not get a chance to run away.

 

So as you can likely see, she is rather supportive of the templar order. Mind you this is just one character, others will have rather different views, such as my dalish mage. 

 

My first character will be a female mage. Ever since DA2 I cannot play other than mages, and I was the rogue type. :rolleyes: Anyway, the Chantry has came a long way since then and it's due for a change soon. (It's already happening) In a way, the magisters of the Tevinter Imperium remind me of the first sin commited by Adam and Eve. Since then humanity has been judged, much like mages.

 

Magic is everything. Magic is life.

 



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I'd take magical ability in a heartbeat. Even if I had to deal with dumb demons, magic is too awesome to throw away for fear. 


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Magic, like technology, is nothing more than a tool. It is the wielder that makes it good or evil.


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Magic is power, a mark of honor! Those who wield it are meant to rule and those who do not are meant to serve!



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This video never gets old to me  :lol:



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As long as they're not all high and mighty about it, I don't have a problem with mages or their magic. The Templars have the right idea that it's dangerous, but the Circles should be less a militarized prison and more a school of sorts. 


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Magic good, demons bad.



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You can take sword away from people but you can't take magic away from people. Without Circles Thedas would be full of abominations and blood magic. Magic needs to be teached otherwise Redcliffe happens all over Thedas, child mages summon demons and get possesed and start killing towns of people. Circles are not form of slavery, they are both school and prison. The problem is abuse that often happens by templars when they ditch rules.



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So, you understand magic as a separate, natural phenomenon? Then how do you explain some people have the ability to affect and create using magic as opposed to others who don't ? 

Magi/mages are also natural. They're able to channel energy from the Fade to produce magic because of a natural predisposition. Someone can correct me on this, but no one has been able to produce usable mana within people who have never had a connection with the Fade. Mages are definitely not artificial.



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Magic on Thedas is part of the bleed of the natural order of an alien realm.  There is nothing natural about magic to Thedas (it is natural to the laws of the Fade).  Magics very nature is anathema to the natural order of Thedas.  Spirits pervert natural things into creatures of mostly malignant purpose (even when that purpose is only driven by a total lack of understanding).  The weakening of the Veil distorts the reality of Thedas (an example are the floating land masses we see in some parts of DA:I imagery). 

 

Mages are Thedas' way of combating magic's inherently alien nature - while Spirits are the Fade's way of combating the sapient mortals of Thedas.  The two realities cannot coexist and must be sealed off from one another.  The true ideal would be permanently - but whether this would be possible for Thedas is unknown - and, given the nature of the Darkspawn, spirits already present on Thedas, and lyrium (which arguably would allow magic to remain as a natural resource even if only for a time) - might not be a solution. 

 

That mages do absolutely nothing to maintain the balance of the Fade and its entities speaks volumes about humanity (sapient fantasy races) than it does magic.  Humans are largely self-centered and lazy.  Even if the Maker himself told mages that they were designed specifically to keep humanity safe (Oh, wait... Andraste said that already...) they would largely ignore it for their own desires.  The truth that one might be chosen for magic and duty never occurs to them because it is the harder selfless choice over magic as a private boon of self-importance.

 

If I could - my Inquisition would be to the Fade and Spirits/Demons (on a permanent canon beyond the closing of the Breach)... what the Grey Wardens are to the Blight and Darkspawn.



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Magic on Thedas is part of the bleed of the natural order of an alien realm.  There is nothing natural about magic to Thedas (it is natural to the laws of the Fade).  Magics very nature is anathema to the natural order of Thedas.  [snip]

I dunno. There are some sources in the lore that claim that once upon a time, the Veil didn't exist. Perhaps its unnatural for the two realms to be separated?



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@lil yonce:  And you're aware that during that time it was largely considered hell on Thedas... yes?



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@lil yonce:  And you're aware that during that time it was largely considered hell on Thedas... yes?

I don't think that's what Yavana says IIRC, but either way, magic on Thedas may not be unnatural at all, so I don't really care for the argument against it based on that. And its too late for snark here so I'll just let this drop.


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It doesn't matter to me what an NPC says.

 

Sylvans - werewolves - demons - possession... the warping of the natural sciences - these don't make Thedas a better place.   The baseline nature of the Fade is hostile to Thedas.

 

Only mages can contort the Fade into something benevolent to Thedas. 



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It doesn't matter to me what an NPC says.

 

Sylvans - werewolves - demons - possession... the warping of the natural sciences - these don't make Thedas a better place.   The baseline nature of the Fade is hostile to Thedas.

 

Only mages can contort the Fade into something benevolent to Thedas. 

So... Mages are good then? Good thing to help out normies who can't?

Glad you give us a bit of credit!



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I advocate the use of lyrium and alchemy.
NO risk of demonic possession my good people, and all the fun of magic you can have!

Note- lyrium may cause addiction.

Note- red lyrium may cause lyrium growths and mutation.

Note- the use of alchemy to wreath oneself in flame or frost may cause family and friends to questions ones sanity.


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Double post...must've been magic!

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The pros out way the con, not to mention that humans tend to use mages and by extension mages as scapegoats for Thedas's misfortune. Mages really can't ever be totally eradicated since their born and not taught like the templars. Merrill "Magic can't be made safe and it can't be destroyed. Fear makes men more dangerous than magic ever could.". Patrice started her whole crusade based on the assumption that Quanri are heavens with this reasoning.



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Magic is Might.
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