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[raging_monkey]

"Quarantine" seems like a more apt comparison. Mages have a disease and must be quarantined for the benefit of Thedas.

dangerous line of thinking my friend that could start a MT debate lol *im joking*

[MouseHopper]

I agree with the many who have said that magic is a tool that must and can be used carefully and for good purpose.  I am all for its use as a weapon and as a healing mechanism.  I only wish that I were better at using it.  I have never quite been able to master it as well as I would have liked; especially in Skyrim.  But that's another story.  I absolutely disagree with those who believe that mages should be locked up by the Templars or the chantry.  The circle may be a safe place for them but not one where they need to be caged.  They can be trained and housed and given the necessary tools for honing their skills; but there is no need to treat them as criminals.  The misuse of magic is no different than the misuse of swords, axes or any other weapons.  It needs to be dealt with harshly and on an individual basis.

[heretica]

"It is the Maker who creates mages. The Chantry was built by men, and it can be brought down by them."

 

JUST SAYIN'. 

[raging_monkey]

"It is the Maker who creates mages. The Chantry was built by men, and it can be brought down by them."
 
JUST SAYIN'. 

an the spark of rebellion has begun *bites thumb to draw blood* FOR FREEDOM!!!

[DangerousLiasin]

It's not slavery because it does not share any characteristics with slavery. That's like asking "How is the sun not a whale?"

They are in the Circle because they are a danger to themselves and others. See: Connor.

[DangerousLiasin]

Connor was a child who was just learning. I don't see an issue with the Circle as a school. They don't do that. You are there or watched with few exceptions. It is a prison of sorts.

[dragonflight288]

Mage is my favorite class, while dwarf is my favorite race. 

 

I like magic just fine. I think in the world of Thedas, more safeguards have to be put in place than in other works of fiction, but I see far too much utility to oppose it. 

[AnnJuly]

I think something wrong with magic in Thedas. Veil is too thin, too many mages are born. I bet, majority of them shouldn't  even be the mages in normal circumstances. 

 

I'm going though Awakening right now. I think Oghren got it right 

 

Oghren: So... mage, huh? What's it like?

Anders: To have all this power at my fingertips?

Oghren: No. To always have to wear a skirt? (Laughs)

[-TC1989-]

 

Oghren: So... mage, huh? What's it like?

Anders: To have all this power at my fingertips?

Oghren: No. To always have to wear a skirt? (Laughs)

 

 

Joke or no... when mages say things like this, a red flag raises for me. Now is it a coincidence that I ended up killing Anders later on in the story? I guess, but I hold that standard to just about every mage. That's not necessarily the Templar supporter in me talking, that's more of my realistic cautious nature speaking.

[herkles]

Anyways, just for fun here is the idea that I am working with for my Dalish Mage. I have already explained my human female rogue's view on magic here so there is that.

 

above all else it can be summed up with a single sentence

 

Magic is a gift from the creators

 

To her magic comes from the elven gods for it was the gods and goddesses in ancient times that taught the elves how to wield spells. They walked among their children and taught them spells each of the deities taught different aspects, such as Sylise teaching healing magic where as Mythral taught protective and Elgar'nan taught offensive magic. All of this means that Magic must be respected. 

 

Magic is a gift, a powerful gift, but also dangerous. The creators do not want us to disrespect it. For disrespecting magic is disrespecting them. This is why there are more abominations with humans then dalish in her mind. The humans in their haste for power do not respect the magic and just see it as a tool not a gift. To use it for purely selfish reasons shows no respect to the Creators.

 

This is why blood magic is wrong, not because it is evil but because it is selfish. It shows that you are selfish but more importantly that you are going to harm either yourself or your clan to use it. This is not what the Creators would have wanted from their gift. 

 

The Beyond

 

Related to this is her view on the fade. For the Fade is the Beyond, the land where the Creators live in their eternal city. It is here where in her mind the elves go when they die, carried through the veil by Falon'din. Entering the beyond though dreams or magical rituals is where one must be respectful. The gods have let you briefly enter their world, they have thus shown you respect, and you must show respect back. 

 

This does not mean that the Beyond is all paradise. For just as the Creators live in the Beyond, so do the dreaded and feared Forgotten Ones. d the Eternal city are the spirits of the Beyond, and they are all dangerous. There is no such thing as a good or evil spirit. Humans who like to split up spirits into 'spirit' or demon' are just stupid shemlen who do not understand that they are both spirits. Even the most beneficent spirit is still dangerous. 

 

 

 

So that is the view of my dalish elf mage.

[dangeraaron]

"Magic is an excellent tool for killing people you don't like quickly, horribly, and at a safe distance without the hassle of having to re-string arrows to a plank of wood.  Granted there are an unending supply of infinitely persistent otherworldly entities that seek to take control of your body every time you go to sleep, but one eventually learns to block them out.  Utility must not be sacrificed in vain of hokey religions and mere words."

[Wolfen09]

pretty sure if the mages used the whole rabbit in the hat trick, thedas would explode

[EmperorSahlertz]

"Magic is an excellent tool for killing people you don't like quickly, horribly, and at a safe distance without the hassle of having to re-string arrows to a plank of wood.  Granted there are an unending supply of infinitely persistent otherworldly entities that seek to take control of your body every time you go to sleep, but one eventually learns to block them out.  Utility must not be sacrificed in vain of hokey religions and mere words."

It is actually every time you cast a spell, not just when you sleep.

[dragonflight288]

It is actually every time you cast a spell, not just when you sleep.

 

Then why aren't there more apprentice abominations?

[Darkly Tranquil]

Then why aren't there more apprentice abominations?

 

Why do people prefer ripe fruit?

[dragonflight288]

Why do people prefer ripe fruit?

 

Except the lore established on demons show that they don't care about a mages's power, save for the more intelligent demons, and most simply want to experience the mortal world and are looking for any chance they get, and when they cross the veil, they'll possess the very first thing they come across. 

 

Which is how we get Sylvans, walking corpses, Revenants, heck, even the Profane in DA2 down in the deep roads. 

[nightcobra]

we now know that red lyrium is basically anti-magic.

Seeing as how it worked in DA2, I'd say it functions like a magic sponge, syphoning and storing magical power giving access to that magic to whoever wields it.

Further study of red lyrium could be advantageous as a method of taking a mage's magic without resorting to the rite of tranquility.

Along with the lack of knowledge, the main problem is to how this implement this method as it poses a few problems, such as how to safely discharge red lyrium when it's fully charged.

It is something to think on however.

[heretica]

we now know that red lyrium is basically anti-magic.

Seeing as how it worked in DA2, I'd say it functions like a magic sponge, syphoning and storing magical power giving access to that magic to whoever wields it.

Further study of red lyrium could be advantageous as a method of taking a mage's magic without resorting to the rite of tranquility.

Along with the lack of knowledge, the main problem is to how this implement this method as it poses a few problems, such as how to safely discharge red lyrium when it's fully charged.

It is something to think on however.

 

I was under the impression that mages were made tranquil because that way you sever their connection with the Fade, making it impossible for the demon to find a gate into this world. If, on the contrary, you take out a mage's magic (how is that done? what does it mean? the ability to cast spells or the ability to intearct with the Fade while conscious?) wouldn't that mean the mage is still connected to the Fade while still conscious? 

[Sylentmana]

Becoming a mage seems to be more of a genetic thing so I don't really see it as a gift, but I do love it.

[nightcobra]

I was under the impression that mages were made tranquil because that way you sever their connection with the Fade, making it impossible for the demon to find a gate into this world. If, on the contrary, you take out a mage's magic (how is that done? what does it mean? the ability to cast spells or the ability to intearct with the Fade while conscious?) wouldn't that mean the mage is still connected to the Fade while still conscious? 

 

My guess they would still be connected to the fade but with their magic sealed I'd wager the demons would see them as any other mortal.

They might be able to see the lyrium though.

[lordsaren101]

Magic is a gift bestowed upon the the superior. It is a gift from Dumat. Mages should rule, there is no other path.