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[vertigomez]

Honestly, i don't think the Zevran fans are getting screwed over. After Origins, my Wardens went away to new adventures with their LIs. I'm wouldn't be too happy to see Morrigan, Leliana or Alistair in DAI, alone, possibly getting put in danger, without the Warden by their side.

I have to concur.

It's kinda like when people complained that Fenris had too little connection to the main plot of DA2 compared to the other LIs (Isabela had the tome, Anders had the Revolución!, Merrill was mandatory and had the mirror thing, Sebastian may have been DLC but he's also a Prince and can possibly decade WAR!!1). But to me it was awesome because Fenris and Hawke's relationship had fewer opportunities to be screwed over by the plot.

Before Leliana got Divine'd, some folks were unhappy that she and Zev weren't as tied to the plot as Alistair and Morrigan, what with the whole... monarchy/OGB thing. But I loved that about their romances.

So basically I just hope Zevran is happy and healthy and still a devoted connoisseur of sexiness.

[Tishina]

So basically I just hope Zevran is happy and healthy and still a devoted connoisseur of sexiness.

Exactly. Well, except for the fact my DN made the US, so I assume he spent some time grieving...

[EdwinLi]

I hope Zenran will play some kind of role if players chosen a world where he is still a live in DAI.

[Icy Magebane]

I prefer they not force in cameos so I'm ok with him not showing up.  Knowing this I'll be sure to always kill him in my import so it's not an issue.  To be honest I nearly always killed him anyway, it just made sense in the situation.

I agree and I felt the same way as the part in bold when I saw the title of this thread...

[RobRam10]

Killing Zevran is heresy.

[Icy Magebane]

Killing Zevran is heresy.

Heresy against whom, exactly?  If I recall correctly, he came very close to demanding that the Warden execute the Tevinter slave trader who was grabbing folks from the Denerim alienage... wouldn't that make Zevran the heretic?

[Alanosborn1991]

I don't understand why Zevran won't get a physical cameo when he's a voice actor in it anyway.

[RobRam10]

Heresy against whom, exactly?  If I recall correctly, he came very close to demanding that the Warden execute the Tevinter slave trader who was grabbing folks from the Denerim alienage... wouldn't that make Zevran the heretic?

That's why you have the Persuasion skill maxed! -5 or -8 points that can be easily recover with a gift.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Zevran is pretty much Oberyn from ASOIAF. Killing him should be a crime!

[riverbanks]

Better than nothing, I suppose. No matter what I do feel it unfair that he is the only DAO romance that won't appear in DAI (And Leliana and Morrigan have a big role too). He's my favorite

 

This. I would have been pretty satisfied with a simple codex entry mentioning him, if it wasn't such a slap in the face that the other three LIs are back in big prominent roles, but Zevran hardly exists anymore. As it is, it kinda feels personal. I know it's not, but that's how it feels.

 

It's worse still when you know he was passed over for the comics in favor of Varric. The one time when Zevran was the only logical choice for a story (it was set in Antiva, it dealt with the Crows, it was about Alistair in need of good friends, what the hell does Varric have to do with any of that?), he gets passed over for a character who was going to return in Inquisition anyway. Still bitter about that one.

 

Sigh, it's tough being a fan of this little guy. Canon doesn't love him half as much as we do. 

[Sifr]

Heresy against whom, exactly?  If I recall correctly, he came very close to demanding that the Warden execute the Tevinter slave trader who was grabbing folks from the Denerim alienage... wouldn't that make Zevran the heretic?

 

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything?

 

Being an Assassin and being a Slaver are two very different things and from Zevran's view, killing people is far more "honest" than imprisoning them against their will and forcing them into servitude? Secondly, why would it be heretical for an Antivan to want to kill a Tevinter, they hold them no allegiance?

 

[Icy Magebane]

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything?

 

Being an Assassin and being a Slaver are two very different things and from Zevran's view, killing people is far more "honest" than imprisoning them against their will and forcing them into servitude? Secondly, why would it be heretical for an Antivan to want to kill a Tevinter, they hold them no allegiance?

 

No, no, RobRam10 is always going on about Tevinter, so attacking a Tevinter citizen who is legitimately following the laws of their nation sounds like heresy to me... more so than killing Zevran the first time we encounter him, at least.

[trying_touch]

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything?

 

Being an Assassin and being a Slaver are two very different things and from Zevran's view, killing people is far more "honest" than imprisoning them against their will and forcing them into servitude? Secondly, why would it be heretical for an Antivan to want to kill a Tevinter, they hold them no allegiance?

 

I'm with Sifr... Killing people for money is better than kidnapping people to be trafficked and traded. Especially since most people you will be killing are evil nobles anyway.

[Gill Kaiser]

I think that no matter whether he was romanced or not, provided he's still alive at the end of DA:O, he should be the leader of the Crows.

 

Zevran remaining alive means you were friends with him, which means he managed to get over his suicidal thoughts. So, he should be all about proactivity!

[Sifr]

No, no, RobRam10 is always going on about Tevinter, so attacking a Tevinter citizen who is legitimately following the laws of their nation sounds like heresy to me... more so than killing Zevran the first time we encounter him, at least.

 

Except that in Ferelden - as in most of the various other nations in Thedas - we'rd told that slavery is illegal, so Caladrius' group were breaking the law, regardless of whether or not what they were doing is legal in Tevinter.

 

Of course, assassinating people is probably against most of the national laws as well, except probably Antiva, where no-one dares to make it illegal or risk getting a visit from the Crows that very same day!

 

And considering that you're Warden may be a Dalish who potentially has the option to murder three unarmed humans, a former member of the Carta who was often hired to kill people, a City Elf who went on a murder rampage in the Arl of Denerim's estate, a Dwarven noble who (potentially) killed his brother or may have shanked the lying scout if you were framed, a Mage who willingly aided and abetted a Blood Mage escape the Circle, a Noble who's entire goal is to murder the man who killed your parents... yeah, I don't really know if the Warden can safely judge Zevran for his career path, which wasn't even his choice of vocation in the first place?

 

After all, Zevran mentions he was bought on the slave-market as a young child by the Crows, so it's not like he doesn't have a valid reason for hating slavers, regardless of nation of origin?

[Hazegurl]

This. I would have been pretty satisfied with a simple codex entry mentioning him, if it wasn't such a slap in the face that the other three LIs are back in big prominent roles, but Zevran hardly exists anymore. As it is, it kinda feels personal. I know it's not, but that's how it feels.

 

It's worse still when you know he was passed over for the comics in favor of Varric. The one time when Zevran was the only logical choice for a story (it was set in Antiva, it dealt with the Crows, it was about Alistair in need of good friends, what the hell does Varric have to do with any of that?), he gets passed over for a character who was going to return in Inquisition anyway. Still bitter about that one.

 

Sigh, it's tough being a fan of this little guy. Canon doesn't love him half as much as we do. 

 I have a feeling Varric is going to be the new Liara or Garrus depending. I would be extremely surprised if I get the option to kill him or make him quit.

 

As for Zevran, well I'm glad his fans get something.  Although it would be funny if his cameo is just listening to him getting sexed up by Iron Bull.

[Icy Magebane]

Except that in Ferelden - as in most of the various other nations in Thedas - we'rd told that slavery is illegal, so Caladrius' group were breaking the law, regardless of whether or not what they were doing is legal in Tevinter.

 

-snip-

What is this heresy???  The only law that matters is the law of glorious Tevinter!!!    You dare speak out against the laws of the Black Divine?  Heretic!!!  Somebody alert the Archon!

[riverbanks]

Except that in Ferelden - as in most of the various other nations in Thedas - we'rd told that slavery is illegal, so Caladrius' group were breaking the law, regardless of whether or not what they were doing is legal in Tevinter.

(...)

 

I'm pretty sure Icy was just taking the p*ss at RobRam because he loves Tevinter, so Zevran demanding a Tevinter slaver be killed would be heresy, wink wink nudge nudge. It was a joke that got lost without its larger context.

 

As for Zevran, well I'm glad his fans get something.  Although it would be funny if his cameo is just listening to him getting sexed up by Iron Bull.

 

We're not really getting a cameo so that still sucks, but see, that's a cameo I totally wouldn't have minded.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

 I have a feeling Varric is going to be the new Liara or Garrus depending. I would be extremely surprised if I get the option to kill him or make him quit.

 

 

They say we can end the game with only 1 companion if we really treat them badly so, unless Varric is the one companion, I'm pretty sure we can give him a big "F*ck you".

[katerinafm]

This. I would have been pretty satisfied with a simple codex entry mentioning him, if it wasn't such a slap in the face that the other three LIs are back in big prominent roles, but Zevran hardly exists anymore. As it is, it kinda feels personal. I know it's not, but that's how it feels.

 

It's worse still when you know he was passed over for the comics in favor of Varric. The one time when Zevran was the only logical choice for a story (it was set in Antiva, it dealt with the Crows, it was about Alistair in need of good friends, what the hell does Varric have to do with any of that?), he gets passed over for a character who was going to return in Inquisition anyway. Still bitter about that one.

 

Sigh, it's tough being a fan of this little guy. Canon doesn't love him half as much as we do. 

 

 

Yeah, it's like they're going out of their way not to add Zevran where it fits him most, in a way, isn't it .

[Jwlpo]

Well we atleast know The Warden will be getting the same treatment as Good Ol'e Zevran (No physical cameo but something else)

 

I expect a War Table mission and some letters

[Vox Draco]

Z's inclusion is purely fan service. fact is he's an assassin and a turncoat. I'd wager in most peoples games this happened: 

 

Well, I usually kept him alive but ... he was mostly cleaning the dishes in camp, ironed the trousers and all the other stuff ... not because he was bi, mind you! (just to avoid any controversies ) ... but because I found him utterly useless, his accent annoying and his attitude not charming but cheesy and boring...

 

Oh wait ...ah, do "Zevranites" exist? And if so, how fanatically are they? Not like Liaranites I hope? Ah, better get back into stealth mode   

[LadyKarrakaz]

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[frylock23]

I wouldn't call Zevran's inclusion pure fan service. After the bug in DA2, I think it's owed to people who romanced Zevran only to have him act like he was as unfaithful as Jacob.

 

I'm fine with not seeing him, but I'll be glad if they have some kind of means to follow up and clear up the bug.

[Tamyn]

Oghren and Irving talked to each other.

 

So did Oghren and Gorim. But Steve Blum is everywhere.