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[Arvaarad]

When I realised the ashes truly had power to cure Eamon, I thought : nice magic coming from the ashes of an anti-mage prophet. Thinking about it now, there is a big chance that Andraste was a powerful mage that used this power to conquer the world or vanquish a political enemy. Her goal is still uncertain to me (tell me if I missed somthing) but I doubt the Chantrýs version of the story is exact.

If he's brought on the ashes quest, Oghren notices that the mountain has an unusually rich lyrium supply. He speculates that the lyrium gives the ashes their healing power, rather than the ashes having any innate powers.

[Tourdoodle]

If he's brought on the ashes quest, Oghren notices that the mountain has an unusually rich lyrium supply. He speculates that the lyrium gives the ashes their healing power, rather than the ashes having any innate powers.

I don't really understand how lyrium in a mountain could transfer into the ashes though. I could see the lyrium having an effect during the explosion but not in a pinch of ashes removed from the urn and taken away from the mountain.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

If he's brought on the ashes quest, Oghren notices that the mountain has an unusually rich lyrium supply. He speculates that the lyrium gives the ashes their healing power, rather than the ashes having any innate powers.

 

People always bring this up but how the hell does lyrium bring people back from a coma? Last time I checked, too much lyrium makes you go nuts not give you healing powers. Also, no offence to my favourite dwarf, but Oghren isn't exactly a scholar when it comes to anything that isn't drinking or killing.

[BioWareM0d13]

In the latest twitch stream...

Spoiler

they showed the inquisitor first meeting the advisors, and they themselves said that many think that figure is Andraste. The fact that they showed this on the twitch stream and is revealed so early in the game makes me think that it's not as it appears.

 

Who or what she is could also be left mysterious. I might actually prefer it that way, with the player character deciding whether it was Andraste, a powerful fade spirit, or just shrugging and admitting "I don't know."

[herkles]

Who or what she is could also be left mysterious. I might actually prefer it that way, with the player character deciding whether it was Andraste, a powerful fade spirit, or just shrugging and admitting "I don't know."

This is what I hope is the case. I like it to be mysterious. 

 

My human rouge who is a devoted Andrastian and has never seen what the fade looks like is likely to interperate this as Andraste.

My Dalish mage on the other hand, who would know of the fade would believe it is a powerful spirit or perhaps something else. 

 

by leaving it not explained it allows for both characters to feel right. 

[Reaver102]

Or possibly a spirit of shapely bosoms.

One can only hope...

[JoltDealer]

It could be Flemeth.  I don't think any of us would be too confused if she pretended to be Andraste in order to enlist our help.  After all, the famed Witch of the Wilds has served as our "call to action" in the last two games.  She was the ones who saved the Wardens from certain death and gave them the means to defeat the Blight.  Flemeth was the one who saved Hawke and company, sending them on their way.  Pretending to be Andraste herself to convince the Inquisitor to fight her adversary for her would be classic Flemeth.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I am kinda getting a Avatar Legend of Korra vibe, the whole Vaatu vs. Raava deal. Order vs Chaos. Light vs Dark. Male vs Female. Anyone else? 

Does this make the Inquisitor the Avatar Wan of this scenario? 

 

"When the Inquisitor dies, they are reincarnated into the next race in the cycle." 

[dantares83]

i do not think it is Andraste. the game will try to give you the option to remain secular and not to be someone who has a vision/help from God/Maker and/or Andraste/Jesus.

 

Because many people actually think Leiliana is lying or just bats**t crazy when she talks about her vision in DAO. So the game would not try to have more controversies by telling us that Andraste is real. Andraste will continue to remain as a legend.

 

Anyway, if spirits can really help someone to stay alive, why would Justice/Vengence leave Ander's body at the end? Should the spirit try to keep him alive no matter what to further the cause?

[Akkos]

i do not think it is Andraste. the game will try to give you the option to remain secular and not to be someone who has a vision/help from God/Maker and/or Andraste/Jesus.

 

Because many people actually think Leiliana is lying or just bats**t crazy when she talks about her vision in DAO. So the game would not try to have more controversies by telling us that Andraste is real. Andraste will continue to remain most likely a legend.

 

Anyway, if spirits can really help someone to stay alive, why would Justice/Vengence leave Ander's body at the end? Should the spirit try to keep him alive no matter what to further the cause?

 

She was indeed lying that the maker told her to join the warden. But it is true - The revered mother Dorothea did gave her a vision that led her to help the warden.

 

I'll not be surpised if the revered mother Dorothea ( Divine Justinia) is infact a piece of Andraste herself. Together with Flemeth....and who knows else...

[Ajna]

I think I'll headcanon that she's the spirit/consiousness of Thedas itself pulling out all the stops, if I can...

[Milan92]

Does this make the Inquisitor the Avatar Wan of this scenario? 

 

"When the Inquisitor dies, they are reincarnated into the next race in the cycle." 

 

I'm more getting a Moses vibe from the whole scenario

[Akkos]

I'm more getting a Moses vibe from the whole scenario

 

You guys love getting conclusion about Chantry and Andrasty from the Christian religion or Bible..   I do not see the chantry or even Andraste in that way...

 

I've played other games that involves serving a god or an entity.

 

Edited: without associating it to real life past or present event.

[karushna5]

What do you mean by "piece"? Interesting theory..

 

 

I think Leliana believed what she was saying. Whether it's true or not is another matter.

She mentions depending on if you harden her, on one mission that she was looking to be important, and stretched the truth.

[Milan92]

You guys love getting conclusion about Chantry and Andrasty from the Christian religion or Bible..   I do not see the chantry or even Andraste in that way...

 

I've played other games that involves serving a god or an entity.

 

Edited: without associating it to real life past or present event.

 

....its not really meant seriously. Just that the whole thing reminds me of the scene with the burning bush.

[Ieldra]

In order to speculate about who this entity might be, here a few questions that need to be answered:

 

(1) Does she really give you the power, or do you have it from some other agent or mechanism and she just happens to be there? The screenshot above appears to indicate the latter.

(2) If she's helping you: what is her interest in this?

 

The problem is, we don't know nearly enough to speculate. The interpretations are driven by our own context more than by the information in the scene as such. I consider the possibility that the Elder One is somehow involved but something went wrong, from his point of view, anyway.

 

About the possibility of unknowingly carrying a spirit around, that's interesting but I'm not sure it could be handled in a satisfying way by the story. It's a rather intrusive premise from the player's point of view.

[Arvaarad]

About the possibility of unknowingly carrying a spirit around, that's interesting but I'm not sure it could be handled in a satisfying way by the story. It's a rather intrusive premise from the player's point of view.

I think it's more likely that we're unknowingly carrying a body around (so to speak). Based on the parts of the intro we know so far, it seems like everything prior to the Breach is unplayable. The moment we start having control over the character is right when their hand starts glowing.

So we're the spirit that possesses the inquisitor, the one who pulls their strings to fulfill unknown and alien goals.

Sounds like a normal player/protagonist relationship to me.

[Solas]

we should make a thread about the mysterious black goo

[Medhia_Nox]

@Ajna:  That's how I see Flemeth actually.  

[Ieldra]

I think it's more likely that we're unknowingly carrying a body around (so to speak). Based on the parts of the intro we know so far, it seems like everything prior to the Breach is unplayable. The moment we start having control over the character is right when their hand starts glowing.

So we're the spirit that possesses the inquisitor, the one who pulls their strings to fulfill unknown and alien goals.

Sounds like a normal player/protagonist relationship to me.

That's an even more intrusive premise. Not that it couldn't be interesting, but it would need to be handled with extreme care. The protagonist being - for all intents and purposes - an alien being might not go down well for some. Personally, I would resent hate with extreme prejudice that I didn't know in advance, because that's something we should really know about the character we're playing.

 

Fortunately, I'm very convinced this won't happen.

[MisterJB]

She didn't give us the mark, she is hitching a ride in our hand, calling it now.