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[Daerog]

Exactly.

 

Torture, Drugs, Brain washing, whatever works, whatever builds the ideal soldier, whatever advances the cause of the church of Andraste.

 

The enemies of the faith have no qualms over their actions, no fathomable depths to their depravity, sometimes you must walk the road to hell to achieve heaven.-Enrico Maxwell

 

Just have to say, while I do disagree with this specific point you are making, I love your conviction.

 

You'd make an excellent Templar... if only the Imperial Templars and the Socorati had more power in Tevinter... they should ally with the Laetans and oppose the Altus more...

[raging_monkey]

Just have to say, while I do disagree with this specific point you are making, I love your conviction.
 
You'd make an excellent Templar... if only the Imperial Templars and the Socorati had more power in Tevinter... they should ally with the Laetans and oppose the Altus more...

agreed there must be some balance

[Master Warder Z_]

Just have to say, while I do disagree with this specific point you are making, I love your conviction.

 

You'd make an excellent Templar... if only the Imperial Templars and the Socorati had more power in Tevinter... they should ally with the Laetans and oppose the Altus more...

 

Could you imagine if the Imperial Templars actually managed to carve out a power base for themselves in the Imperium?

 

If they actually managed to throw down the Magisters again?

 

I'd actually view the Imperium as a place worth living again.

 

Also that wasn't my conviction it was Enrico's the man was a fine Catholic even if he did sort of let a bunch of people die in the aim of recapturing England for the Catholic church.

 

<.< And then proceeded to launch a crusade against said city.

[dragonflight288]

We're a page or two past this point, but I wanted to address something that was brought up.

 

Mage shock-troops.

 

To be frank, it's not going to happen. Mages are a minority that takes years and years of practice to use magic safely, and you can't get enough of them to become shock troops or canon fodder, except as maybe a specialized ops team or support in a regiment. 

[Daerog]

They wouldn't have to overthrow the Magisters, they would just oppose the Altus mages and support the Laetan mages, and maybe it can be as it was between the Transfiguration and the recovery of the Altus houses, mundanes and mages working together.

 

At least in political positions, if they do believe that magic is a gift of the Maker given to individuals who are supposed to be responsible with it, it could make sense to only have mages in high Chantry positions, considering how closely magic is tied to their faith.

[The Baconer]

To be frank, it's not going to happen. Mages are a minority that takes years and years of practice to use magic safely, and you can't get enough of them to become shock troops or canon fodder, except as maybe a specialized ops team or support in a regiment. 

 

Hit-and-run cavalry :>

[Master Warder Z_]

They wouldn't have to overthrow the Magisters

 

On that we will have to disagree my friend.

[dragonflight288]

Hit-and-run cavalry :>

 

You going to supply them with the horses and training while they also perform magic? 

 

....

 

Actually, not a bad idea. 

[Daerog]

On that we will have to disagree my friend.

 

Magisters don't have to be mages, though. Right now, with the current political climate it is unlikely, but when mages couldn't hold political office, mundanes were magisters... although mages still worked in the background since, like Orlais and Westeros, all major political players belong to a house.

 

The Magisterium is just the senate of the most powerful and influencial people... like the House of Lords as someone mentioned before since it also includes Grand Clerics and the Divine, but the others don't necessarily have to be mages, mundanes are not outlawed from being a magister. It is just unlikely since mundanes can't join a Circle and within the last couple hundred years the Circle of Magi in Tevinter essentially took control of the government and placed a glass ceiling on mundanes.

 

 

 

Anyway... off topic... back to the Chantry...

 

Woo! Go Maker! Go Chantry, you help those orphans and city elves! Woo!

 

... k, done for now...

[herkles]

The stream today had some rather pretty pictures of a chantry. It also had the 'chant of the departed' a passage from the chant of light for well the departed.

[Daerog]

Hello Chantry Thread!
 
Happy Satinalia! (holiday celebrated at the beginning of the 11th month in Thedas).
 
Satinalia: Once dedicated to the Old God of Freedom, Zazikel—but now attributed more to the second moon, Satina—this holiday is accompanied by wild celebration, the wearing of masks, and naming the town fool as ruler for a day. In Antiva, Satinalia lasts for a week or more, while a week of fasting follows. In more pious areas, large feasts and the giving of gifts mark the holiday. Satinalia is celebrated at the beginning of Umbralis.

[Lulupab]

At least you are not a junkie if you are a Templar in the Imperium.

The tranquil put the desire to be alive above anything else, this much is confirmed.

Also emotion can also be a weapon as it can be a liability. The Eldar feel everything including pain ten times more than a human and they use it to fuel their anger. They have no problem fighting genetically enhanced humans who are incapable of fear. Even with all the machine help humans have a single Eldar unit is always more capable than a single human, its the numbers that make the difference for them. Almost all of them being psykers help too as they can never be ambushed but are perfect at ambushing because of a literal 6th sense but this is not the point.

Even considering that the tranquil are good at anything but enchantment and organization is a fallacy. The only development tranquility rite needs is severing magical power without affecting emotions.

[Keroko]

Anyway... off topic... back to the Chantry...
 
Woo! Go Maker! Go Chantry, you help those orphans and city elves! Woo!
 
... k, done for now...

Daily reminder that the Chantry is responsible for the current second-rank citizen treatment of elves in the first place.

We really should look into that.

[Dean_the_Young]

We're a page or two past this point, but I wanted to address something that was brought up.

 

Mage shock-troops.

 

To be frank, it's not going to happen. Mages are a minority that takes years and years of practice to use magic safely, and you can't get enough of them to become shock troops or canon fodder, except as maybe a specialized ops team or support in a regiment. 

 

Who needs a mage shock trooper to practice magic safely? That's just your modern morality bias showing.

 

Making them desperate and doomed and trying to use them as an indiscriminate WMD a weaponized abomination is a viable (if tricky) strategy. Other methods of convincing someone to be a willing abomination vary from the coercive to encouraging fanaticism exist, but frankly you could probably engineer a decent effect if you tried.

 

Shock troops, by their nature, are expected to die. At that point, safety is less of a concern than effectiveness.

[MisterJB]

Daily reminder that the Chantry is responsible for the current second-rank citizen treatment of elves in the first place.

We really should look into that.

Not particularly. They just don't do anything to curb it.

[dragonflight288]

Who needs a mage shock trooper to practice magic safely? That's just your modern morality bias showing.

 

Making them desperate and doomed and trying to use them as an indiscriminate WMD a weaponized abomination is a viable (if tricky) strategy. Other methods of convincing someone to be a willing abomination vary from the coercive to encouraging fanaticism exist, but frankly you could probably engineer a decent effect if you tried.

 

Shock troops, by their nature, are expected to die. At that point, safety is less of a concern than effectiveness.

 

Huh? Modern morality?

 

I was talking war tactics and use of mages in combat, and the logistics using mages in battle. Simply put, what I was talking about is that there aren't enough mages to build an army of them, or to use them as shock troops or canon fodder, but acting in support of a regiment or as part of a specialized ops team can be a huge advantage to any country. A good healer in the army will reduce deaths by infection or injury by a substantial amount. A mage skilled in entropy can have the enemy missing with nearly every swing, suffering waking nightmares and illusions, or forced into slumber, thus making them easier to be dispatched or captured. Mages skilled in primal skills deal so much damage from a distance that any follow up combat is much simpler for the soldiers on the front lines. 

 

Because of their numbers and the amount of time it takes to train mages, I was commenting that they cannot be capable or highly utilized shock troops at all. But the army that has the most, well-trained mages will always have the advantage because of their versatility and utility. 

 

Modern morality has nothing to do with being pragmatic in the use of mages, so I have no idea where you even got the notion that was what I was talking about. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

"Weaponized abomination" is perhaps one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. It goes way beyond scorched earth strategy. Not only can't you be certain that the Abomination won't destroy the entire region it is released in, rendering the area uninhabitable, you can't even be sure the Abomination won't turn around and destroy your own army.

 

Simply put the risks and potential damage, far outweighs the potential rewards.

[MisterJB]

They did that in Claymore, actually. Create human-dragon hybrids through an operation then send them deep into enemy lines wherethe dragon half takes over and they become super powerful monsters. They can't just Awaken beforehand because the transformation destroys their humanity.

[lordsaren101]

Dumat blankens your chantry in Silence. The chant of light...hahaha...there is only the golden light. Seek ye the truth, seek the wisdom and power of Dumat! There is a maker, and he is Dumat.

[herkles]

Hello Chantry Thread!
 
Happy Satinalia! (holiday celebrated at the beginning of the 11th month in Thedas).
 
Satinalia: Once dedicated to the Old God of Freedom, Zazikel—but now attributed more to the second moon, Satina—this holiday is accompanied by wild celebration, the wearing of masks, and naming the town fool as ruler for a day. In Antiva, Satinalia lasts for a week or more, while a week of fasting follows. In more pious areas, large feasts and the giving of gifts mark the holiday. Satinalia is celebrated at the beginning of Umbralis.

 

Cool. This makes me wonder, do you think we may ever see a holiday of the chantry in game at some point? 

[EmperorSahlertz]

They did that in Claymore, actually. Create human-dragon hybrids through an operation then send them deep into enemy lines wherethe dragon half takes over and they become super powerful monsters. They can't just Awaken beforehand because the transformation destroys their humanity.

I wouldn't know. But generally any kind of "suicide bomber" is a tatic born of desperation and stupidity.

[The Ascendant]

Just how powerful is the Chantry in Inquisition? I mean, they've lost control over the Templars, Seekers, and Mages. I imagine they are still wealthy, due to the lyrium trade, and being the dominant religion, means that they are largely respected and influential, especially in Orlais, since they are based there. 

Since they denounce the Inquisition and call us heretics, even though the Inquisition was Divine Justina's plan B, means that there is serious divisions in the Church.

[lordsaren101]

Im hoping we can end the chantry.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Im hoping we can end the chantry.

dream on.

[The Ascendant]

I may not agree with absolutely everything about the Chantry, but it's been around for a thousand years for a reason. We need the Chantry. If not we'll descend into chaos and who will oppose the Qunari?