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[Master Warder Z_]

This probably. Though, I don't know if they are so much "rogue" as members who refuse to recognize the status of the Inquisitor. Or maybe they are rogue, I guess we won't know until the trailer is released.

 

Petrice was evidence enough that not all of the Chantry shares uniform viewpoints.

 

But personally? I doubt it has anything at all to do with the Inquisition.

 

Its a relatively new, and relatively limited organization.

 

Most likely its in response to older and more pressing issues.

 

You know, things more important then a glowing handed fellow and a mercenary army.

 

The Breach is a crisis don't get me wrong, its just...it effects two countries out of a continent.

[Xilizhra]

Technically, they accomplished that. The Inquisition just rampantly hunted down mages. The Chantry thought mages deserved to live. As well as giving them an education. The Chantry eventually incorporated the Inquisition and channeled their mage hunting into something more productive -- protecting mages in the newly formed Circles. 

 

This is the only way they could make everyone happy. Mages got to live and the Inquisition toned down under the auspices of the Chantry. Technically, this is the definition of peace. What's the alternative? Just let anyone showing signs of magic to be hunted down, confused, and left with gimp powers, and have a bunch of fanatics killing people on a whim? 

 

And this system stood for centuries btw. Pretty good record. Most institutions fall apart much more quickly.

The Roman Empire lasted for much longer; that didn't make it a good thing, as such.

 

You don't think it's possible that she could have converted to Andrastism? Having never lived in qunari lands and seeing what her own people do to mages? I'd reject the Qun too.

And jump into another system that'd oppress mages?

[Lulupab]

The Roman Empire lasted for much longer; that didn't make it a good thing, as such.

 

And jump into another system that'd oppress mages?

 

All Tyrannies lasted for a very long time too. 

[herkles]

The Roman Empire lasted for much longer; that didn't make it a good thing, as such.

I would be more then willing to dissagree with you there. Were there issues with rome, yes. But every government has issues and corruption. But I will disagree with you that rome was an evil land or wasn't good. It was much more akin to our modern world then you might realize.

[Master Warder Z_]

I would be more then willing to dissagree with you there. Were there issues with rome, yes. But every government has issues and corruption. But I will disagree with you that rome was an evil land or wasn't good. It was much more akin to our modern world then you might realize.

 

I wouldn't bother if i were you.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Breach is a crisis don't get me wrong, its just...it effects two countries out of a continent.

As I understand it, rifts are opening up all over the world, yet the breach itself is over the ruins of the Temple of Andraste. So it is a crisis that affects every nation on Thedas.

[Master Warder Z_]

As I understand it, rifts are opening up all over the world, yet the breach itself is over the ruins of the Temple of Andraste. So it is a crisis that affects every nation on Thedas.

 

Oh? First i heard of that.

 

Last i heard Orlais and Fereldan were getting fade rifts, with the Breach it self being in the Frostbacks along the border.

 

Good though; Let Par Vollen and Nevarra be consumed by the demons too.

[HK-90210]

Oh? First i heard of that.

 

Last i heard Orlais and Fereldan were getting fade rifts, with the Breach it self being in the Frostbacks along the border.

 

Good though; Let Par Vollen and Nevarra be consumed by the demons too.

 

Yep. Let everyone die. At least then, the bad guys are gone.

[Master Warder Z_]

Honestly i sort of want another Exalted March to begin.

 

Who doesn't want to be part of a crusade?

 

To purge the vile and wicked from the world.

 

To see the heretics and those who would deny God perish from his earth.

 

That's probably favorite bit about the Chantry.

 

They have Crusades.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Honestly i sort of want another Exalted March to begin.

 

Who doesn't want to be part of a crusade?

 

To purge the vile and wicked from the world.

 

To see the heretics and those who would deny God perish from his earth.

 

That's probably favorite bit about the Chantry.

 

They have Crusades.

You have a skewered view of what the Crusades were my friend 

[raging_monkey]

You have a skewered view of what the Crusades were my friend 

i know they had religious objectives but aside from that what else was were they about

[Exile Isan]

And jump into another system that'd oppress mages?

Believing in Andraste's "Magic should serve man, not rule over him" is not the same as believing in the Chantry's "Magic is corrupting influence on the world." And she's a mercenary. She didn't turn herself into the Circle. So while she believes in what Andraste tried to do she doesn't believe in everything that the Chantry teaches.

[Master Warder Z_]

You have a skewered view of what the Crusades were my friend 

 

Do i?

 

I killed many (nineteen last time i bothered to recall all the confirmed) for my adopted homeland.

 

For material gain, wealth, resources, alliances, bits of ink on treaties demanding it be done.

 

Why would a Crusade be different from normal war?

 

In fact from what we have witnessed in DA they are no different.

 

So rest assured; my friend i am perfectly aware of what a Crusade entails.

[EmperorSahlertz]

i know they had religious objectives but aside from that what else was were they about

Basically it was just about ascerting christian influence (and thus the church) throughout the mediterenean. Sure, to most of the actual combatants it was a religious war, but in reality the reasoning was secondary. The muslims were expanding fast, were very advanced, and posed a threat. The Crusades were the answer to curb that threat. They failed miserably though (except the first).

[herkles]

Good though; Let Par Vollen and Nevarra be consumed by the demons too.

 

Why let the demons go after Par Vollen and Nevarra?

[Master Warder Z_]

except the first

 

You seem to be leaving out the bit that the second crusade had the success at Lisbon.

 

Credited as the only major success of the campaign, it also put the final nail in the coffin of Moorish expansion into the Baltic.

[EmperorSahlertz]

You seem to be leaving out the bit that the second crusade had the success at Lisbon.

 

Credited as the only major success of the campaign, it also put the final nail in the coffin of Moorish expansion into the Baltic.

True, but winning one battle doesn't win you the war. There were SOME success to all the Crusades (except the fourth... What a waste that was), but only the First actually succeeded in what it set out to do.

[Master Warder Z_]

True, but winning one battle doesn't win you the war.

 

Except it did just that.

 

The the Moorish threat practically died after the Portuguese and Crusader victory.

[Br3admax]

Why let the demons go after Par Vollen and Nevarra?

Par Vollen I understand, but Nevarra is a major economic power in Thedas. I too am confused. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Except it did just that.

 

The the Moorish threat practically died after the Portuguese and Crusader victory.

The Crusaders decidedly LOST the Second Crusade.... That they had success on two fronts (Iberia and Baltics) does not mean they won the war.

[raging_monkey]

*Drools over history lesson* tell me more

[The Ascendant]

Don't forget when the Crusaders massacred countless civilians on the petty excuse of them being a different religion. I'll admit that no religion is perfect but killing people for it or using violence in the name of God I find inexcusable. If you're going to war, make it a more believable one than 'God wills it'.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Don't forget when the Crusaders massacred countless civilians on the petty excuse of them being a different religion. I'll admit that no religion is perfect but killing people for it or using violence in the name of God I find inexcusable. If you're going to war, make it a more believable one than 'God wills it'.

It is strange what a religion that preaches compassion and love can make people do.. Though it should be noted that ANY war was bloody at that time, be that a religious one or not. Cities got sacked wether they were christian or not, and such sackings weren't pretty. And keep in mind also, they didn't have a very critical view of religion back then. Nowadays we got science and television to feed us our opinions and knowledge about stuff, but back then "good wills it" was just about as good a reason to earn a bit of money as any other (and the promise of eternal paradise for participation also helped).

[Master Warder Z_]

Don't forget when the Crusaders massacred countless civilians on the petty excuse of them being a different religion. I'll admit that no religion is perfect but killing people for it or using violence in the name of God I find inexcusable. If you're going to war, make it a more believable one than 'God wills it'.

 

._.

 

*Spits on that justification*

 

The Almoravids killed because their religion willed them to do it, As did the  Fatimids, The Abbasids, The entirety of the Ummah or Arabic Nation if you don't speak or read Farsi or whatever Arabic language you choose, they all for the most part descend from Persian anyway.

 

But back to the point; i find it actually amusing that you would label the crusaders excuse for war as being "petty" when it matched the foe they engaged.

[Daerog]

 
Okay, there is that if people are interested... and civilians die in war, either by accident or on purpose, even America targeted civilians in WWII...
 
Anyway, think we can now move on to the Chantry?
 
 
So, with the Chantry having political division now, think there will be a second schism?