For the sake of the mages and the templars, here is hoping Justinia the Fifth doesn't go boom at the Peace confrence
She was the leading force behind a reform to help mages, such as finding a cure for tranquility. Now I am not sure how many are supporting her, but I do believe that she has her allies and supporters in this endevor, hopefully we can help her with this task.
Technically, they accomplished that. The Inquisition just rampantly hunted down mages. The Chantry thought mages deserved to live. As well as giving them an education. The Chantry eventually incorporated the Inquisition and channeled their mage hunting into something more productive -- protecting mages in the newly formed Circles.
This is the only way they could make everyone happy. Mages got to live and the Inquisition toned down under the auspices of the Chantry. Technically, this is the definition of peace. What's the alternative? Just let anyone showing signs of magic to be hunted down, confused, and left with gimp powers, and have a bunch of fanatics killing people on a whim?
And this system stood for centuries btw. Pretty good record. Most institutions fall apart much more quickly.
Come on StreetMagic, it's like you hardly know me. 
I'm very much pro-Chantry, it has its faults, true, but what organization does it?
The cure for Tranquility definitely needs to be taken off the table.
The cure for Tranquility definitely needs to be taken off the table.
off the table, why do you say that?
The cure for Tranquility definitely needs to be taken off the table.
You have a skewered view of what the Crusades were my friend
Death, destruction, pain and misery, and a delayed response to centuries of traditionally Christian lands conquered by Muslims where nobody really come out looking like a winner in the long run, Christian, Muslim or Jew. Good times.
The weirdest one is the Fourth Crusade.
Crusader 1: Hey, we need to go fight those Muslims in Jerusalem!
Crusader 2: But we don't have the money to get all the way there.
Crusader 1: Well, let's go as far as we can, then sack a Christian city to pay for the rest of the voyage.
Crusader 2: How could this possibly go wrong?
*Sack city*
Pope: Yeah, y'all are excommunicated.
Crusader 1: ****. What should we do?
Crusader 2: Attack Constantinople, the capital of the largest Christian kingdom in the East?
Crusader 1: This is a GREAT plan!
Byzantine Empire: Something tells me we're never going to recover from this.
Ottoman Turks: Nope.
I do wonder whether any of the Exalted Marches made such little sense. The specifics would be kind of cool to learn about.
Orlais: We need to get those damned Tevinters!
Nevarra: We don't have the money. How should we do it?
Orlais: Conquer the Free Marches?
Nevarra: Sounds like a plan!
^
The above is not canon, nor is such a situation even mentioned in any source of any validity whatsoever. It is meant only to make fun of religious crusades. And Orlais.
Death, destruction, pain and misery, and a delayed response to centuries of traditionally Christian lands conquered by Muslims where nobody really come out looking like a winner in the long run, Christian, Muslim or Jew. Good times.
The weirdest one is the Fourth Crusade.
Crusader 1: Hey, we need to go fight those Muslims in Jerusalem!
Crusader 2: But we don't have the money to get all the way there.
Crusader 1: Well, let's go as far as we can, then sack a Christian city to pay for the rest of the voyage.
Crusader 2: How could this possibly go wrong?
*Sack city*
Pope: Yeah, y'all are excommunicated.
Crusader 1: ****. What should we do?
Crusader 2: Attack Constantinople, the capital of the largest Christian kingdom in the East?
Crusader 1: This is a GREAT plan!
Byzantine Empire: Something tells me we're never going to recover from this.
Ottoman Turks: Nope.
I do wonder whether any of the Exalted Marches made such little sense. The specifics would be kind of cool to learn about.
Orlais: We need to get those damned Tevinters!
Nevarra: We don't have the money. How should we do it?
Orlais: Conquer the Free Marches?
Nevarra: Sounds like a plan!
^
The above is not canon, nor is such a situation even mentioned in any source of any validity whatsoever. It is meant only to make fun of religious crusades. And Orlais.
Excellent points. The attack on Constantinople was one of the biggest mistakes of Christianity.
Orlais claims "Elves didn't aid with the blight" while it sent "help" to Nevarra to aid with the blight and ended up capturing it the moment the archdemon was slain. You know its much easier when you already have armies you sent as aid are there.
Pretty much I only like Tevinter because it has shown middle finger to Orlais way too many times. The majority of exalted marches against Tevinter have failed way too quickly. Whats not to love
Excellent points. The attack on Constantinople was one of the biggest mistakes of Christianity.
Orlais claims "Elves didn't aid with the blight" while it sent "help" to Nevarra to aid with the blight and ended up capturing it the moment the archdemon was slain. You know its much easier when you already have armies you sent as aid are there.
Pretty much I only like Tevinter because it has shown middle finger to Orlais way too many times. The majority of exalted marches against Tevinter have failed way too quickly. Whats not to love
Agreed. What Orlais did during the 3rd Blight is the only reason I give Loghain any credit for his refusal to accept help from Orlais during the 5th Blight. It didn't do Nevarra much good. Doesn't excuse his Warden-phobia, but that's an OT discussion altogether.
Personally, I think religious crusades have their place in warfare. For instance, I don't have too much of a problem with the First Crusade, given the Muslim conquests that preceded it. In practice, though.....it was a mixed bag.
And Bioware has shown their propensity to make sure the Exalted Marches are viewed similarly. Constant wars with the Qunari and Teveinter, with little to show for it other than religious chestpounding and a lot of dead people. Doesn't mean those wars didn't need fighting, though. Sometimes you have to smack the bully in the face to let him know not to mess with you. Though I tend to think the White Chantry should have left Tevinter alone after they converted to worshiping the Maker. It might have made the Fourth Blight much easier.
As far as the Qunari go, though? Exalted March away, my fellow defenders of the faith. They deserve the respect of a worthy enemy. But an enemy nonetheless.
off the table, why do you say that?
Because it serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.
Um, no. If you consort with demons or allow them to take control over you, you either go through the Rite or die. You shouldn't be allowed to endanger anyone else around for your own weaknesses.
all im say my friend is that its a option. You believe in tranquility i believe in alternatives so let agree to disagreeUm, no. If you consort with demons or allow them to take control over you, you either go through the Rite or die. You shouldn't be allowed to endanger anyone else around for your own weaknesses.
You know, giving no reason to accept your "alternatives" and then saying, "Let's agree to disagree," doesn't give a single credence as to why your option should be implemented. If anything, it shows the weakness in the argument.
well im a weak rhetorictian XD and i like hanging out on the fence lolYou know, giving no reason to accept your "alternatives" and then saying, "Let's agree to disagree," doesn't give a single credence as to why your option should be implemented. If anything, it shows the weakness in the argument.
You know, giving no reason to accept your "alternatives" and then saying, "Let's agree to disagree," doesn't give a single credence as to why your option should be implemented. If anything, it shows the weakness in the argument.
If the Tranquility cure could be further developed to actually disconnect the mage from the Fade, yet still allow the Mage to retain his emotions, it would be vastly superior to the current Rite. That way, you could completely disconenct criminals, so that they can become true tranquils, yet allow the frightened apprentice to give up his magic, and live a normal life.
Tranquiltity is a form of lobomtimy.
No it's not.
There are reports that say its worse than death and that is just cruel imo but with excution being the alternative its kinda drives the moral ambiguity of the greater good.
Again, no it's not. The cure is what is the most painful. No one has described the Rite itself or the state of Tranquility as being worse than death besides people who aren't Tranquil.
Take mental patients most are benign but some are dangerous should we lobotimize them because of what they might do(which has been done) or should we continue to find alternatives(drugs) so they be productive members of society.
Chant of light verse for the day.
The Rite of Tranquility is similar, in results, to the real world practice of lobotomy. Similar to the Rite of Tranquility, the lobotomy is infamous for being abused and remains highly controversial to this day. The practice, controversy aside, largely ceased following the development of more effective antipsychotic drugs. So it must be further developed, whether you like it or not.
That copy and paste from the wiki doesn't really prove your point. And considering what a lobotomy does, it's not comparable to the Rite past the most base level.
agreedThe Rite of Tranquility is similar, in results, to the real world practice of lobotomy. Similar to the Rite of Tranquility, the lobotomy is infamous for being abused and remains highly controversial to this day. The practice, controversy aside, largely ceased following the development of more effective antipsychotic drugs. So it must be further developed, whether you like it or not.
I've heard that Qamek, the Qunari poison for brainwashing is similar to the Rite. And they have collars which prevent mages from accessing their powers (Redemption, as demonstrated by Tallis).
What do any of you actually know about lobotomies? Or Tranquility for that matter?
Qamek isn't similar to the Rite of Tranquility at all.
That copy and paste from the wiki doesn't really prove your point. And considering what a lobotomy does, it's not comparable to the Rite past the most base level.
It actually does on the most basic levels, for instance inability to object.
Retour en haut
