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[nici2412]

Triss is a damsel the whole game, Phillipa gets locked up, tortured, and needs to be rescued by Geralt, Baroness LaValette is tortured (naked) and needs to be rescued by Geralt, Sabrina is burned alive on a wheel, Saskia does the whole sleeping beauty routine and needs to be cured by Geralt, Vess is raped and needs to be saved by Geralt, etc...and all of them are wearing sexy clothing. The game portrays them as damsels and objects of desire. No thanks.  

You forgot to mention that "Triss the damsel" saves Geralt three times in witcher 1. (Geralt saves her one time in Witcher 2 and only with you actually make the choice to save her)

You forgot to mention that Ves saves Geralt being decapitaded in act 2 Iorveths path

You forgot to mention that Saskia saves Geralt from Dethmold and the Kaedweni soldiers at the end of act 2.

You forgot to mention that Sabrina was burned alive after she killed thousands of (male) soldiers with her firestorm.

 

And complaining about the main hero saving other people in a rpg is hilarous. You are doing nothing else in almost all bioware games. But I guess it's only a problem because a straight white male saves good looking women?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Spoiler

I unfortunately saw some of the spoilers regarding the potential endings for Witcher 3, and it's unlikely Ciri will be the protagonist for future games.

Uh oh.

I didn't even know there was a leak.

[nici2412]

Spoiler

I unfortunately saw some of the spoilers regarding the potential endings for Witcher 3, and it's unlikely Ciri will be the protagonist for future games.

Spoiler

You should put that into a spoiler tag or delete it, because your wording implies what can happen to Ciri in witcher 3

[fchopin]

I am confused op.
Are you saying that gay people do not like how Geralt looks?
I am not gay but i think Geralt looks great. I also like it when we can customise our character but if the game does not allow this like Tomb Raider i am fine with this.
I am more concerned with what happens after i finish with customising my character like game options.
I will also play both games as i like variety.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

*with all due respect* why do you feel the need to "mansplain" and *set us straight* to every woman here who doesnt perceive things the same way that you do. You can make as many rationalizations for the witcher series sexist and overwhelmingly one sided portrayal of women as you want, doesnt change the facts. Where the hell does a straight man get to co-opt and tell women how we should perceive things and *how they really are* because he says so.

 

I shouldn't, but here are the things that jump out at me right off:

 

1. What you just said is completely disconnected from the post that you quoted. Did you quote the wrong post by accident? If not, I'd re-read it in an attempt to understand what it was saying.

 

2. Are you sure that the person you are responding to is a man? I'm not saying one way or the other, I just don't recall them saying that they were. I could check their profile, I suppose, but even if they are a man, why does that mean they're not allowed to share their opinion?

 

3. It actually sounds like you're the one who is "setting everyone straight" with an "overwhelmingly one-sided" position. I've seen a lot of civil discourse in his thread, and definitely did not see anything that merits the overt hostility and aggression that you are exhibiting.

[Joseph Warrick]

The protagonist not being hot enough for you is a sad reason to dislike a game or any form of entertainment. Do you also dislike movies if the main characters are not physically appealing to you?

[dantares83]

so its ok for you to want to be surrounded by beautiful women and collect cheesy cards for banging them, and cant imagine women looking "normal", but we suck because we want to be surrounded by and romance handsome men, gotcha

alright, you got me there. 

[davepissedatending]

Is aesthetics.

I like creating my own "look" for my primary character, and the witcher forces you to walk around as that grotesquerie called geralt. Why do I care you ask? Gay dude here, and I am shallow, and if I am going to be traveling on an epic journey for scores of hours, I want something more pleasant to look at. To the non gays here who are confused by this, imagine a game forced you to play as or mate with a haggard example of femininity. You could not swap her out for a hotter version, no, every time a given scene was played out, you would have to look at some porkfied model, with jiggling flesh dangling everywhere, pockmarked face growing larger as it neared your character.

Do you want to have to look at that? Don't you kind of wish there was a better looking object to be able to fulfill that role? Thank you, now you understand.

My player characters looking like freaking runway models. And that is why I like creating my own characters.

pretty much the same with me mate great o.p

[Vincent-Vega]

Can understand why a lot of people wouldn't like it, but that appeals to me. Playing the hero, protector, savior, etc.

 

This is your impression of Geralt?

I can understand why someone wants to play the hero once in a while, but if you want to be the knight in shining armour you really shouldn't play "The Witcher". Geralt may be many things (and that's what makes him so interesting imo and the reason why some people don't like him), but he sure isn't the one-dimensional hero you described above. If I want to be a hero, I play "Zelda" (which is a great series btw) or something comparable, but not "The Witcher".

[kipac]

Runway models are too skinny.
They're like walking bones.

[KC_Prototype]

My reasons exactly. I love creating my own protagonist so any game that lets me do that at least has my attention. I also like that we have a ensemble of unique and interesting companions.

[mikeymoonshine]

This thread is a mess. 

 

I like both series, I much prefer DA though, it's just more to my taste I guess. 

 

But seriously some of you are way to passionate about this. TW has it's faults and it's not objectively better than DA that said TW is a very good series and brilliant in many areas. 

 

I also don't care at all which games are or aren't sexist. That discussion just isn't being taken seriously enough to be payed attention to. 

[Yinello]

Can I play a Dwarf? In Witcher = nay.

 

Easy choice.

[Milan92]

This thread is a mess. 

 

I like both series, I much prefer DA though, it's just more to my taste I guess. 

 

But seriously some of you are way to passionate about this. TW has it's faults and it's not objectively better than DA that said TW is a very good series and brilliant in many areas. 

 

I also don't care at all which games are or aren't sexist. That discussion just isn't being taken seriously enough to be payed attention to. 

 

Its like as if you can't love both games. It must be either DA or The Witcher!

[Zered]

How can anyone dislike him?!

[ManOfSteel]

Both series' are outstanding, and excel at what they set out to accomplish. The Witcher presents a dark, moody and violent world to the player through the eyes of an established character, and surrounds them with an excellent cast of supporting NPC characters and some truly brutal moments. The world of The Witcher is not fair, and it's certainly not pleasant. It's something that may put people who are more sensitive to such things off, however I believe the developers have nailed the feel of the world they strive to convey.

But both titles are exceptional, and I'm just as excited to play Wild Hunt as I am excited to play Inquisition.

[Annarl]

I love both series and for different reasons. Heck I will throw in Skyrim a la the Elder Scrolls series too. 

 

I really hate these thread that insist on hating on the other games.  It's childish.

[nici2412]

Can I play a Dwarf? In Witcher = nay.

 

Easy choice.

But you can meet some of the cutest dwarves out there. How can anybody not love them?

 

[Dutchess]

I love The Witcher games and don't have a problem with how the game portrays women. TW2 had a lot of powerful ladies.

 

You forgot to mention that "Triss the damsel" saves Geralt three times in witcher 1. (Geralt saves her one time in Witcher 2 and only with you actually make the choice to save her)

You forgot to mention that Ves saves Geralt being decapitaded in act 2 Iorveths path

You forgot to mention that Saskia saves Geralt from Dethmold and the Kaedweni soldiers at the end of act 2.

You forgot to mention that Sabrina was burned alive after she killed thousands of (male) soldiers with her firestorm.

 

And complaining about the main hero saving other people in a rpg is hilarous. You are doing nothing else in almost all bioware games. But I guess it's only a problem because a straight white male saves good looking women?

 

Not to mention that, depending on your choice in the prologue, you get to save Aryan Lavalette instead of his mother in the dungeons.

You get to save Iorveth if you didn't give him back his sword when Roche ambushed you. In the epilogue you can save him again when he is badly wounded after his encounter with Philippa and is dragged off by soldiers.

You get to "save" a little girl from Dethmold's clutches (and hand her over into someone else's clutches  ).

You "save" Foltest from the dragon. So he can get stabbed anyway.

Dandelion regularly requires saving.

 

There's probably more, but point is Geralt is not limited to helping/saving damsels (who are usually hardly damsels, e.g. Triss, Saskia, Philippa, Ves) in the game. Guys can need help too. Or kids. Getting in trouble doesn't necessarily mean they're inferior as characters and represent failures that need others to rescue them. Sometimes decisions backfire. Sometimes you're in way over your head. 

[Kalas Magnus]

ok. 

 

i like both. ill buy both.

[Revan Reborn]

*with all due respect* why do you feel the need to "mansplain" and *set us straight* to every woman here who doesnt perceive things the same way that you do. You can make as many rationalizations for the witcher series sexist and overwhelmingly one sided portrayal of women as you want, doesnt change the facts. Where the hell does a straight man get to co-opt and tell women how we should perceive things and *how they really are* because he says so. And as for the woman who pulled the "im a woman card" , so what? "im gay but i dont find said homophobic thing offensive" does that sound familiar? Members of minority groups not finding something offensive doesnt make the portrayal of said minority group any less demeaning.

All that being said, if people want to play and enjoy the witcher series, i dont give a rats ass, but dont pee on my leg and tell me its raining,

 

As for the topic at hand, im on the same page in regards to wanting to create my own char, and make them classically beautiful, but i have to disagree with you about runway models. With they exception of 2 or 3 VS angels most high fashion models, imo dont have very feminine features, and are not really what i would considered highly attractive.

Huh? Have you ever read the books? I would guess not as those who generally criticize The Witcher series have never actually played it, finished it, read any of the books, or understand anything about what is happening. Feel free to make your uninformed argument if you must. What's so ironic, and tragic at the same time, is The Witcher actually offers some of the strongest female characters I've actually seen in gaming. It's a shame so many fail to realize this and try to claim the opposite because CDPR is willing to depict nudity and sex in an RPG. Again, read the books.

[Roirr]

I like both series.

You should too.

Both of them have their pros and cons, different world settings, different aesthetics.

Can't we just get along?

[sangy]

Everyone has their preferences.  Both good games.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I love both the Witcher and the Dragon age universe. I cant really pinpoint singularly what it is (its not romance btw) but I would guess that what draws me to the DA universe more is the lore. 

Darkspawn, the ancient Tevinter magisters, the fade and other huge mysteries is for me in Dragon Age what the disappearance of the Dwemer was in the Elder Scrolls. IMO the DA lore and universe has far more interesting lore, story and content that would drive any theorycrafter insane.