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[dantares83]

I really don't see how anyone would play a pro-templar PC as canon because it is nothing but baseless persecution and full of self-righteous and bigotry. By playing such a PC and identify with it, does that not make u such a person as well. It is like Hitler persecuting the Jews, LGBT persecution blah blah blah. You basically a hate a group of people for something they are born with and goes all out to insulting and killing them. You see blood mages/abominations everywhere and have no qualm killing your sister if she is a mage. You encourage jailing of so many innocent children, even as far as to remove all of their emotions. And if you are truly mean, those Tranquill are basically your sex slaves. 

 

While on the other hand, if you are pro-mage, you are basically fighting for your freedom and rights and against such persecution. You hate the templar for the torture/bully but at no point of the game you decided they all deserve death (unless they threaten you first). You do not have a choice to annihilate (like the right of annulment) the templars just because you hate them.

 

No matter if you try to be an Anders or Gandhi, you are still fighting for the rights of your people. Anders will eventually be seen as a martyr because he was the one who started all this and allowed the Circle to be finally freed from being watched and (raped) by templars. 

 

So unless you are playing for story reason, I cannot see why anyone would be pro-templar.

 

In short, the game kind of make this choice very very one-sided. Few crazy blood mages is not enough to jail innocent children to be used as sex slaves (as the game strongly implies). 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I'm not weighing in on most of what you said, but I'll offer this possibility:

 

Maybe they're playing pro-Templar to explore dramatic tension in their roleplaying? Drama inherently requires conflict to exist.

[Drasanil]

Can't we all just get along?

 

 

[Muspade]

Muh... Muh freedomz!!!!

[karushna5]

My first playthrough I was a mage who sided with the Templars more out of trying to stop the rampant chaos, but I mean, that doesn't mean I agree with them. Part of it was mostly to do something different. I played a mage, and I took the opposite side, because that sounded fun. I always do evil playthroughs at least once. Because both sides were so grey it wasnt as much a problem to side with the Templars in DA2.

My Inquisitor will be pro circle by default because they have no idea about magic and leave that as Vivienne's job. But without races? I probably would be a mage siding with the Templars again because it tells a contrasting story and I like those.

[AlexiaRevan]

This won't go down well....from previous threads at least..

 

I'm a Pro-Mage . But I'm also pro-Elf and Pro-Castless . I'm for freedom and equal rights . Which is something clearly given to a selected few . 

I do think that the Templar system is an abomination as well . 

 

I never played Pro-Templar in DAO . Or even took the Templar class for my warrior . Alistair had it..and that was it . In DA2 , I heard if you side with Templar you could find out something about Orsino and your mother murder . That was the only time I played a Pro-Templar . Although it wasn't a happy run....

 

But yeah I agree with you OP . 

[Althix]

mmmm sex slaves....

[Navasha]

While I generally agree that pro-mage favors freedom and pro-Templar favors tyranny, I think its a mistake to try to cast that light on the player themselves.   A lot of people actually do roleplay.    Roleplay is taking ON the persona of a character, not projecting your own onto them.

[Lumix19]

I think it's supposed to be a look at the security vs freedom issue. Pro-mage = freedom, Pro-templar = security.

[karushna5]

Personally? I am pro circle. I mean even harry potter made it a rule to train mages before they were allowed to do magic with some extreme penalties. And a whole bunch of mages with NO rules about training would be a dangerous Muck. My feelings are Circle reform, but we can't get rid of the circle entirely as that is putting both the mages and those around them at risk.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I really don't see how anyone would play a pro-templar PC as canon because it is nothing but baseless persecution and full of self-righteous and bigotry. By playing such a PC and identify with it, does that not make u such a person as well. It is like Hitler persecuting the Jews, LGBT persecution blah blah blah. You basically a hate a group of people for something they are born with and goes all out to insulting and killing them. You see blood mages/abominations everywhere and have no qualm killing your sister if she is a mage. You encourage jailing of so many innocent children, even as far as to remove all of their emotions. And if you are truly mean, those Tranquill are basically your sex slaves. 

 

 

....... 

Okay then... Let us just ignore this entire section of your unabased bias, and move on to something actually worthy of responding to.

 

While on the other hand, if you are pro-mage, you are basically fighting for your freedom and rights and against such persecution. You hate the templar for the torture/bully but at no point of the game you decided they all deserve death (unless they threaten you first). You do not have a choice to annihilate (like the right of annulment) the templars just because you hate them.

 

Goddamn it, I really thought there would be something to respond to here.... But it i just more biased bull... Moving on....

 

No matter if you try to be an Anders or Gandhi, you are still fighting for the rights of your people. Anders will eventually be seen as a martyr because he was the one who started all this and allowed the Circle to be finally freed from being watched and (raped) by templars. 

 

Nope. Nothing. Too bad.

 

So unless you are playing for story reason, I cannot see why anyone would be pro-templar.

 

 

Some people just lack perspective.
 

In short, the game kind of make this choice very very one-sided. Few crazy blood mages is not enough to jail innocent children to be used as sex slaves (as the game strongly implies). 

 

 

That must be why this very topic is the must discussed on the forums.

[AlexiaRevan]

I think it's supposed to be a look at the security vs freedom issue. Pro-mage = freedom, Pro-templar = security.

But it is still a wrong system . I mean a security that only a few enjoy while many do not...can you still call it security ? 

 

I mean you could compare the Templar to the Warden system , in the sense they sacrifice themself to protect the mass and therefor offer security from the Blight . 

And the Templar oppress and take mages freedoms and rights , to protect the commun folks from abominations and the fade or magic . 

But the difference , is  the Blight is a real threath that exist . while the mages threath is a mass fear born from a bloody past that none wanna find a better solution to then oppressing and tagging every mage as 'futur Tevinter' crap . 

 

At least the warden are honest and willing to give their life for the threath that is the blight . The Templar , may seem to be able to do the same...but in DAO the fact that they wanted the Annulement instead of going in to investigate , tell me.....they are too extreme . One probleme and BAM! Annulement Annulement ! so much for being trained to fight maléficar...

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

[dantares83]

but when you roleplay, why would you want to side with such an old and unjust view. 

 

Forcefully removing young children from their parents just because they have a 'gift' is just sad. Many of these kids are lonely, die in their harrowing, make Tranquil or become blood mages because of all the persecution. Some of these mages remain virgins the rest of their lives, hook up with other templars/mages and make more illegal mages babies or worse, being made sex slaves by the templars. their social life is basically non-existent. 

 

I played pro-templar only to see how wrong the system is and i just cannot see it as the canon for any players. In the canon, the circle system should always been abolished and there should be a school like Hogwarts (when people can go and train yet allowed to roam freely), not a Circle when it is just a jail. i wish the circle system just get destroyed regardless of choice this time. 

[Althix]

 But the difference , is  the Blight is a real threath that exist . while the mages threath is a mass fear born from a bloody past that none wanna find a better solution to then oppressing and tagging every mage as 'futur Tevinter' crap 

come now. we have similar situation in the real for about 10 years for sure.

 

 

sidenote:

mmm. topic starter, is it just me or your posts just have too much sex related issues?

[EmperorSahlertz]

but when you roleplay, why would you want to side with such an old and unjust view. 

 

Forcefully removing young children from their parents just because they have a 'gift' is just sad. Many of these kids are lonely, die in their harrowing, make Tranquil or become blood mages because of all the persecution. Some of these mages remain virgins the rest of their lives, hook up with other templars/mages and make more illegal mages babies or worse, being made sex slaves by the templars. their social life is basically non-existent. 

 

I played pro-templar only to see how wrong the system is and i just cannot see it as the canon for any players. In the canon, the circle system should always been abolished and there should be a school like Hogwarts (when people can go and train yet allowed to roam freely), not a Circle when it is just a jail. i wish the circle system just get destroyed regardless of choice this time. 

Hogwarts? The school where they send KIDS to fight the DARK LORD.... You would want children to go to that place?.... Okay... You must be trolling... Because the implications of otherwise, does not speak in your favor..

[Lumix19]

But it is still a wrong system . I mean a security that only a few enjoy while many do not...can you still call it security ? 

 

I mean you could compare the Templar to the Warden system , in the sense they sacrifice themself to protect the mass and therefor offer security from the Blight . 

And the Templar oppress and take mages freedoms and rights , to protect the commun folks from abominations and the fade or magic . 

But the difference , is  the Blight is a real threath that exist . while the mages threath is a mass fear born from a bloody past that none wanna find a better solution to then oppressing and tagging every mage as 'futur Tevinter' crap . 

 

At least the warden are honest and willing to give their life for the threath that is the blight . The Templar , may seem to be able to do the same...but in DAO the fact that they wanted the Annulement instead of going in to investigate , tell me.....they are too extreme . One probleme and BAM! Annulement Annulement ! so much for being trained to fight maléficar...

I don't think that's a very fair comparison. Mages are present in every generation, Blights come once every couple of 100 or so years. They are, in the Templars' eyes, a more persistent threat. Let's not forget either that even a single foolish mage can go on to terrorize people for years and they're are hundreds of them born all over Thedas. The fear is not exactly unwarranted. Templars do abuse the Rite of Annulment it's true (Meredith) but in the case of DA:O I thought Greagoir was actually quite restrained - his whole tower was infested with abominations and demons after all.

 

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, I'm actually quite staunchly pro-mage.

[Drasanil]

And the Templar oppress and take mages freedoms and rights 

 

If by that you mean, provide mages with free shlter, food and education sure. Baring the Nobility, mages have the highest standard of living in Thedas. They're hardly 'oppressed' by any reasonable measure in the setting. And lets not forget the trusted ones are even permitted to go out on their own to pursue their damn hobbies, like Wynne's flower picking friend from DAA.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Because mages are walking bombs and that few (a lot of them) may screw up entire humanity...

[Applepie_Svk]

you can twist the words how many times you want, like...

 

pro-mage = fredom alias uncontroled power / pro-templar = protecting of powerless....

[Panda]

I hope this is troll thread since there is so many things wrong with it.

 

Firstly it's blind to any problems mages and magic have and any good sides templar have.

 

Secondly it's attacking people based on way they play.