Hogwarts? The school where they send KIDS to fight the DARK LORD.... You would want children to go to that place?.... Okay... You must be trolling... Because the implications of otherwise, does not speak in your favor..
or send them to Mordor for all I care. let them be swallowed by that big va**** looking thing thing! at least they dying for a reason. it is the same as why you become a grey warden!
they should not stay in the circle to be insulted and tortured and jailed for being a mage.
I don't think that's a very fair comparison. Mages are present in every generation, Blights come once every couple of 100 or so years. They are, in the Templars' eyes, a more persistent threat. Let's not forget either that even a single foolish mage can go on to terrorize people for years and they're are hundreds of them born all over Thedas. The fear is not exactly unwarranted. Templars do abuse the Rite of Annulment it's true (Meredith) but in the case of DA:O I thought Greagoir was actually quite restrained - his whole tower was infested with abominations and demons after all.
Just playing Devil's Advocate here, I'm actually quite staunchly pro-mage.
But Greagoir was trained for this kind of situation !! and all he did was lock the survivors (mages and Templars and he say it himself) and started asking for the Annulement . What's the point of the training ? the lyrium addiction if in the end...its always end up with 'give me a nuke so I can erase me not doing my job ' ?
Maybe it is not a fair comparaison . But I do find the Warden more honest and I have more respect for them (even if I don't agree with some stuff they do)..but at least , in the end they will lie their own life if it mean it does what need to be done . I can't say the same about Templars .
But it is still a wrong system . I mean a security that only a few enjoy while many do not...can you still call it security ?
I mean you could compare the Templar to the Warden system , in the sense they sacrifice themself to protect the mass and therefor offer security from the Blight .
And the Templar oppress and take mages freedoms and rights , to protect the commun folks from abominations and the fade or magic .
But the difference , is the Blight is a real threath that exist . while the mages threath is a mass fear born from a bloody past that none wanna find a better solution to then oppressing and tagging every mage as 'futur Tevinter' crap .
At least the warden are honest and willing to give their life for the threath that is the blight . The Templar , may seem to be able to do the same...but in DAO the fact that they wanted the Annulement instead of going in to investigate , tell me.....they are too extreme . One probleme and BAM! Annulement Annulement ! so much for being trained to fight maléficar...
The group of non-mages is much larger than mages themselves. So it's not a few.
The fear is not unreasonable. People like Connor have murdered tons of people just by being taken over by one demon. One demon in one kid becomes an unstoppable mass murderer. That's terrifying.
They wanted the annulment because the tower seemed lost and let's be honest, the tower would have totally been lost had it not been for the Warden. Uldred was way too powerful. The whole tower was full of demons. That's not a tiny problem at all.
As for Wardens being honest? That's why Duncan told you about the potentially fatal blood ritual beforehand. Oh wait.
The situation isn't really that black and white. Considering most problems have born out of ignorance, education is of top importance for mages and non-mages. I'd advocate for that.
come now. we have similar situation in the real for about 10 years for sure.
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mmm. topic starter, is it just me or your posts just have too much sex related issues?
what ????? 
or send them to Mordor for all I care. let them be swallowed by that big va**** looking thing thing! at least they dying for a reason. it is the same as why you become a grey warden!
they should not stay in the circle to be insulted and tortured and jailed for being a mage.
They aren't insulted (gasp!) or tortured in the Circles.... Nor are they made sex slaves are raped on any meaningful scale. Yes, these things happen. But guess what... These things happen EVERYWHERE, and is not exclusively befalling the mages. Hell.... I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in history a couple of mages raped a Templar... It is just the way things go.
but when you roleplay, why would you want to side with such an old and unjust view.
I was about to speculate an answer to this part, when:
I played pro-templar only to see how wrong the system is
It turned out you already knew at least one answer.
come now. we have similar situation in the real for about 10 years for sure.
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mmm. topic starter, is it just me or your posts just have too much sex related issues?
that is not fair and going off the topic!
stay within the topic please and don't spy on me like you are a templar and i am a mage.
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I am pro templar and my canon is pro templar. I think you just made this thread so you can say mage fans are right and templars fans are wrong just to start a mage vs templar fight.
You're just as bad as the OP. lol
Not rly unless you think that saying truth is bad mages are walking bombs even devs pointed that...
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Actually, on second thought, it might cool if we actually destroyed the Circles. Lets play a few games with that in place, across all storylines.
Then we'll see what will happen. People will cry to get the Circles back. Without them, you'll just have a world of illiterate, young, confused mages who will not control their powers well. With what little power they have.
They aren't insulted (gasp!) or tortured in the Circles.... Nor are they made sex slaves are raped on any meaningful scale. Yes, these things happen. But guess what... These things happen EVERYWHERE, and is not exclusively befalling the mages. Hell.... I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in history a couple of mages raped a Templar... It is just the way things go.
well, if it is not in the story, it never happened.
well, if it is not in the story, it never happened.
Incorrect.
I am pro templar and my canon is pro templar. I think you just made this thread so you can say mage fans are right and templars fans are wrong just to start a mage vs templar fight.
no, but it is a fact.
so you mean you are willing to jail a group of 'potentially dangerous' people for the general safety of the population. Sacrifice their freedom for the greater good? it speaks nothing but self-righteousness and the need for power. which is bad bad bad imo.
no, but it is a fact.
so you mean you are willing to keep a group of 'potentially dangerous' people for the general safety of the population. Sacrifice their freedom for the greater good? it speaks nothing but self-righteousness and the need for power. which is bad bad bad imo.
Life is brutal and life pretty much is about destroying another life for own survival and own goals...
Actually, on second thought, it might cool if we actually destroyed the Circles. Lets play a few games with that in place, across all storylines.
Then we'll see what will happen. People will cry to get the Circles back. Without them, you'll just have a world of illiterate, young, confused mages who will not control their powers well. With what little power they have.
Don't be ridiculous. Pro-mages don't want the destruction of the Circles but rather the freedom of the Circles from the Templars and Chantry who 1.) have no knowledge of magic nor any idea about how to govern it properly and 2.) are rather abusive of the people they are supposedly trying to protect, not saying all Templars are like this of course but the Chantry doesn't let mages do anything without their express permission - "light these eternal flames mages", "heal this cleric mages", honestly I wouldn't want to be treated like that either, it's like being a servant as well as a prisoner.
Life is brutal and life pretty much is about destroying another life for own survival and own goals...
A cynical view of life which many people would not subscribe to, me included.
don't spy on me
but, but sex slaves!?!
what ?????
i will explain. i have a buddy from Australia who told me that if a person would have any relationships with muslims, that person will get himself into trouble or even get himself killed. because muslims are killing people.
This was so strange so i asked my buddy - from where did he get such idea? and his answer was - mass media.
So i guess you may find some similarities here and there. When mages as race being judges by the actions of the few, so muslims are being judged by the actions of groups of extremists.
Don't be ridiculous. Pro-mages don't want the destruction of the Circles but rather the freedom of the Circles from the Templars and Chantry who 1.) have no knowledge of magic nor any idea about how to govern it properly and 2.) are rather abusive of the people they are supposedly trying to protect, not saying all Templars are like this of course but the Chantry doesn't let mages do anything without their express permission - "light these eternal flames mages", "heal this cleric mages", honestly I wouldn't want to be treated like that either, it's like being a servant as well as a prisoner.
Exactly !
I'm a pro-mage , but I be Pro-circle but only if it is run by the Mages themself . And we know that will never happen (the boon in DAO was refused) . I'm for a structure to teach Mages controle for their own security and the security of the world . But not in this manner..not the way it is done..and not with Templar and chantry in charge .
A cynical view of life which many people would not subscribe to, me included.
Well this is how life works you can't denay because humans destoy a lot of them for own goals not only humans but also another creatures... same for said creatures 
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no, but it is a fact.
so you mean you are willing to keep a group of 'potentially dangerous' people for the general safety of the population. Sacrifice their freedom for the greater good? it speaks nothing but self-righteousness and the need for power. which is bad bad bad imo.
Dude. Do you even try to inform yourself why these factions exist?
Here's the lead writer (Gaider):
The thing to remember as well is that the Circles were created to help Thedas as well. We had the Blights, and the first Circles were created shortly after the first Blight. The mages become vitally important when there's a Blight in order to combat the darkspawn. So it wasn't like the Chantry wanted to cripple the mages, they wanted them to have the power they needed to help humanity.
http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html
Before the Circles existed, mages were just getting hunted down without mercy. The CHANTRY stepped in and wanted to help them. This was the only way they could think how.
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Don't be ridiculous. Pro-mages don't want the destruction of the Circles but rather the freedom of the Circles from the Templars and Chantry who 1.) have no knowledge of magic nor any idea about how to govern it properly and 2.) are rather abusive of the people they are supposedly trying to protect, not saying all Templars are like this of course but the Chantry doesn't let mages do anything without their express permission - "light these eternal flames mages", "heal this cleric mages", honestly I wouldn't want to be treated like that either, it's like being a servant as well as a prisoner.
What are you telling me for? It's the OP who said to get rid of the Circles. I'm just making fun of the idea.
This is what rampant, uninformed "mage rebellion!!!111" looks like. They're so hyper that they want to get rid of everything.. even the good things.
but when you roleplay, why would you want to side with such an old and unjust view.
Forcefully removing young children from their parents just because they have a 'gift' is just sad. Many of these kids are lonely, die in their harrowing, make Tranquil or become blood mages because of all the persecution. Some of these mages remain virgins the rest of their lives, hook up with other templars/mages and make more illegal mages babies or worse, being made sex slaves by the templars. their social life is basically non-existent.
I played pro-templar only to see how wrong the system is and i just cannot see it as the canon for any players. In the canon, the circle system should always been abolished and there should be a school like Hogwarts (when people can go and train yet allowed to roam freely), not a Circle when it is just a jail. i wish the circle system just get destroyed regardless of choice this time.
See, wanting a school and requiring kids to go there? That is pro circle. A circle reform, but still. Thats what I want. And honestly DA2 was ridiculously bad at portraying either side in any sort of good light. I blame that more on the story's complete focus on Hawke's inability to truly succeed at anything than either side. I feel DA:O is a better comparison for Templars/Mages.
Also, please, please, don't bring in real world oppression into fictional people. One group really matters because they are real people, and the other is just really interesting fake people. As for the whole "sex slave' thing. i love Bioware but they have proven over and over they don't know how to tell sexual assault at all, least of all respectively, and the DA series are chock full with throw away lines that hint at more a lack of consideration on their part than actual stories. The DA fandom is so frustrating and quite toxic in that they use this stuff as simple fuel against each other in fake sides to fake wars.
but, but sex slaves!?!
i will explain. i have a buddy from Australia who told me that if a person would have any relationships with muslims, that person will get himself into trouble or even get himself killed. because muslims are killing people.
This was so strange so i asked my buddy - from where did he get such idea? and his answer was - mass media.
So i guess you may find some similarities here and there. When mages as race being judges by the actions of the few, so muslims are being judged by the actions of groups of extremists.
Why are you telling me this exactly ? This is so off topic...*facepalm*
Dude. Do you even try to inform yourself why these factions exist?
Here's the lead writer (Gaider):
The thing to remember as well is that the Circles were created to help Thedas as well. We had the Blights, and the first Circles were created shortly after the first Blight. The mages become vitally important when there's a Blight in order to combat the darkspawn. So it wasn't like the Chantry wanted to cripple the mages, they wanted them to have the power they needed to help humanity.
http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html
Before the Circles existed, mages were just getting hunted down without mercy. The CHANTRY stepped in and wanted to help them. This was the only way they could think how.
Yeah but things over the years went down hill . We get that from Carver quest , when hawke meet a mage . Things may have been better when it all started . Maybe even the chantry was more benevolent . But as anything else , the old generation die , peoples forget , new issues arise , new generation make new rules..and from there , what was for 'helping' become something else . And not necessary the same .
Why are you telling me this exactly ? This is so off topic...*facepalm*
no it's not. just a remark with example about security.
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