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[riverbanks]

don't quote a few crazies to justify (blah blah blah)

 

The irony here is so beautiful you could make a portrait out of it.

[Xilizhra]

This thread is sick.

Indeed, we have a sick thread, bro.

[dantares83]

You must have hated kindergarten.

u must have missed kindergarten and went straight to boarding school or ur parents cannot stand u so much they send u to a kindergarten that do not allow u to go home.

 

for my kindergarden, i have fun playing with kids my own age for a few hours and go back home to my parents.

 

the poor kids at the circle cant do that. my heart bleeds for them as much as i bleed for yours. 

[Xilizhra]

The irony here is so beautiful you could make a portrait out of it.

Ah, you may wish to hop over to the templar support thread, where they're justifying nearly all of the non-Alrik atrocities in DA2 as legal and proper.

[TheJediSaint]

u must have missed kindergarten and went straight to boarding school or ur parents cannot stand u so much they send u to a kindergarten that do not allow u to go home.

 

for my kindergarden, i have fun playing with kids my own age for a few hours and go back home to my parents.

 

the poor kids at the circle cant do that. my heart bleeds for them as much as i bleed for yours. 

I'm sure mage kids were allowed to play with each other.  I'm also sure the Templar did oppressive things like not letting them eat paste or pull each other's hair.  Just like real kindergarten.

[HiroVoid]

Would Anders still be seen as a martyr if he helped kill the inhabitants of the tower afterwards?

 

Also, probably too late:

 

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[MisterJB]

I'm sure mage kids were allowed to play with each other.  I'm also sure the Templar did oppressive things like not letting them eat paste or pull each other's hair.  Just like real kindergarten.

Just replace "pull each other's hair" with "setting their friends on fire."

 

Let's face it, you give a kid pyromancing abilities and everytime he feels his friends are being poopyheads, there are going to be some burns.

[Medhia_Nox]

Not that it's going to matter... 

 

Families are absolutely the WORST place to train someone who hears voices, is prone to having his body taken over, and can blow up their friends over a toy.  

 

These things:  "hearing voices" or "possession" are not "sometimes" - they're not "maybe" - it's an active thing mages must suffer through on Thedas.  It's not just "a rumor those horrible Templars spread".  

Your PC is a special snowflake and is the worst representation of Thedas. 

[TheJediSaint]

Just replace "pull each other's hair" with "setting their friends on fire."

 

Kindergarten would've been much more interesting if I could have set the other kids on fire with my mind.

[dantares83]

Would Anders still be seen as a martyr if he helped kill the inhabitants of the tower afterwards?

 

Also, probably too late:

 

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that is poor writing and not really what Anders will do. besides, it is seldom choose by people. anyway, it can be interpreted as Hakwe is just a very convincing person.

 

anyway, the real reason that all the mages started to rebel is because of the bombing of the chantry at Kirkwall. Without it, it could take many more years before such rebellion. so regardless, Anders will still be seen as a matyr even if he side with the templars thereafter.

[Xilizhra]

Kindergarten would've been much more interesting if I could have set the other kids on fire with my mind.

I'm fairly sure you can't, at least not on purpose, at that age.

[taviastrife]

My problem with mages and what makes it so hard to side with them most of the time is that they prove Templars right in a lot of cases.  This was especially the case in DA2, and I don't believe DA2 had a terrible portrayal of the Mage/Templar situation at all.  It gave you instances of the good and the bad in both parties.  In the end, it was left up to you to decide who to side with.  It was a worst case scenario (which seems to be the case all over Thedas now that the rebellion has started), but you get to way each side against each other.  Sort of a lesser of two evils, I guess.  I didn't see it like that, however, and I now side with Templars in every playthrough of DA2.

 

In DA:O, I find a balance in the chaotic situation of the Broken Circle.  I don't blame Gregoir in wanting to clear out the entire tower; abominations were pouring out into the Tower.  Blood mages were running rampant as well, who can mind control people.  Also, demons can lie dormant in people.  It's understandable that they'd want to employ the Anullment.  If the glorious, all-powerful Warden hadn't approached to help, there realistically wouldn't have been much hope.  I just always found it funny how a random Warden could solve the problems an entire Tower of Templars couldn't.  It either shows there incompetence (which would benefit OP's arguments a little), or it's just because...game.

 

Anyway, I'm not a person that believes the ends justify the means, which seems to be the opposite of what a majority of mages (high-ranking or otherwise).  In my first playthrough in DA2, I sided with mages, because I knew Meredith was clearly unhinged and we had Anders right there!  But, as soon as I started seeing the end play out, I regretted my decision almost immediately, running into numerous blood mages and the summoning of demons.  I was killing both Templars AND mages, even though I was helping the latter.  Meredith was ultimately right in the end, especially about Orsino.

 

Orsino was a corrupt First Enchanter, not incompetent.  He was shielding blood mages and the corrupt practices of magic within the Circle.  Hell, he was even aiding that serial killer in his "research" about animating the dead, making it possible for Hawke's mother to die.  Sure...Orsino didn't know the man he was corresponding with was killing people...riiiight....  Let's say Orsino didn't say anything about the guy because he feared the repercussions, whether for himself or for other mages.  Well, tough.  It's called living with the consequences of your decisions.

 

The reason I don't think the mages should have independent Circles free from Templar watch is that I wouldn't trust them to govern themselves properly.  I wouldn't trust them to turn in blood mages and the like.  The specific users would hide it, or the whole group might cover it up from those inconvenient people "who don't understand magic."  I really think it would become something like Tevinter, something appearing orderly on the outside but evil/corrupt on the inside.  Both sides need to be reformed.  Each have their corruption and each have their benefits.  The Circle should exist where mages can be trained and kept an eye on.  Do I think they're evil because of being born with magic?  No, but I think they're dangerous.  And they'll always be dangerous because of being connected to the Fade and the threat of demons.

[Xilizhra]

Anyway, I'm not a person that believes the ends justify the means, which seems to be the opposite of what a majority of mages (high-ranking or otherwise).  In my first playthrough in DA2, I sided with mages, because I knew Meredith was clearly unhinged and we had Anders right there!  But, as soon as I started seeing the end play out, I regretted my decision almost immediately, running into numerous blood mages and the summoning of demons.  I was killing both Templars AND mages, even though I was helping the latter.  Meredith was ultimately right in the end, especially about Orsino.

But that simply doesn't happen. You fight one blood mage, who clearly killed a bunch of other mages, plus the templars and demons. I have no idea where people get this idea from; are they playing with unpatched games?

[Helios969]

What about the right to be alive? We've seen a fair amount of regular people butchered by mages...be it abominations or Tevinter Aholes. I guess they don't matter. I don't really Templars but Tevinter like freedom doesn't sound that great either.

[Xilizhra]

What about the right to be alive? We've seen a fair amount of regular people butchered by mages...be it abominations or Tevinter Aholes. I guess they don't matter. I don't really Templars but Tevinter like freedom doesn't sound that great either.

One could say the exact same thing for mages caught in the malignant machinery of the Order's legalized atrocities. In fact, we do that all the time.

[HiroVoid]

that is poor writing and not really what Anders will do. besides, it is seldom choose by people. anyway, it can be interpreted as Hakwe is just a very convincing person.

 

anyway, the real reason that all the mages started to rebel is because of the bombing of the chantry at Kirkwall. Without it, it could take many more years before such rebellion. so regardless, Anders will still be seen as a matyr even if he side with the templars thereafter.

Except Anders can really do it.

[RobRam10]

What about the right to be alive? We've seen a fair amount of regular people butchered by mages...be it abominations or Tevinter Aholes. I guess they don't matter. I don't really Templars but Tevinter like freedom doesn't sound that great either.

Tevinter freedom is the greatest of freedom for mages.