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10/20 DAI Twitch Stream (Skyhold! Companions!)


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#401
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Skyhold, or as it's better known as, hahahaha I just spent 20 hours of gameplay making my castle look pretty.

 

I like this human. He/she understands.

 

It's the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw the video, "Gods, I'm going to spend so much time in there."


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you telling too different arguments.

the human eye does not see in fps, it doesn't matter if it's 10fps or 1000fps. the human eye see's them all as still images.

what your trying to talk about is about is how your brain processes the information.

 

yes switching between frame rates produce's a noticeably stuttering effect this is because the illusion of a fluid image is broken. but if the frame rate is maintained, so long as the images are moving fast enough for the brain to trick itself and will adjust to fill in the blanks.

 

the fact is IF you are sitting there playing at 30FPS and aren't getting a drop in frames the gameplay will appear smoother then if you play a game at 60FPS and are getting a drop of just 10FPS. what matters is the frame rate is a solid frame rate and resolution.

 

anyone who sits down plays a game at 30FPS takes a break and comes back and plays the same game the same level at 60FPS per second will not tell the difference unless the frame rates are dropping.

 

the issue is 30 FPS is very near the limit of tricking the human brain which means, Any drop in frame rate is far more noticeable compared to 60FPS. 

 

in any case any lag or stuttering even blur is not caused by the frame rate, it is caused by frame rates shifting. 60FPS is more forgiving, then 30FPS when it comes to frame rate drops.  This is one of the reasons movies even without motion blur will always be smoother then video games shot at the same frame rate, because they NEVER drop in frame rate.

 

it is all down to what is maintained, a notable example of this is crysis 3 where on 30FPS is relatively easy to maintain where as some rigs struggle to keep a solid 60FPS and often drop right down to 40FPS making the game unplayable. compared to running at 30FPS and many gamers saying "what the ****"

 

it all comes down to maintaining a solid frame rate, if 30FPS can for the most part be maintained then there is no noticeable difference, suggesting someone compare 30fps to 60fps side by side is useless because your defeating the purpose of frames per second in the first place which is to trick your brain into thinking your looking at a fluid image.

 

There is a very clear and demonstrable difference in visual fluidity between a constant 30fps and 60fps. While you make a valid point about severe dips in frame rates causing issues in perceived smoothness, certain situations of lag or stuttering can definitely be attributed to lower frame rates, even if at solid consistent rates.

 

Video games are being artificially rendered and are not simply a series of still images displayed in a rapid succession. Thus the effect of motion blur is something of little to no benefit in video games. Add in the interactivity of the medium, the slower the game is rendered on screen, the more noticeable the lag can be between user input and the actual displayed action. This is why faster paced games like first person shooters benefit so much from higher consistent frame rates.

 

If you think seeing side by side comparisons between 30 and 60fps are useless, then here is a link to one where you control which frame rate is being rendered on screen. The difference is noticeable.

 

http://www.30vs60fps.com/

 

For a more related demonstration between the two, here is a link to the DAI - Gameplay Features: Combat video with 30 and 60 fps version available.

 

http://www.gamersyde...t-32686_en.html

 

What is considered a playable consistent frame rate will vary from person to person and will also largely depend on what they're used to. But the fact of the matter is a game rendered at a consistent 60fps will be a far smoother playing experience than not.



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Wait, does the Inquisitor get a balcony?  I was too busy looking at everything else to notice, so my thoughts when he spoke to Vivienne were.."Hmmm, that's a nice balcony you got there Vivienne, I want that balcony..."

I believe the video starts off on your balcony.


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Yeah, I'll agree that the drums are pretty out of place most of time time. Maybe if you summon the war council or are standing in the barracks, they're appropriate, but hanging wall decorations to martial music will feel off. Not to mention it's quite repetitive. I hope we can do something about it.

 

24/7 Casual Friday in Skyhold is a bit odd, especially considering the variety of armor and clothing showcased so far. I'm not too bothered however.

 

Rest looks really good. The crafting in particular looks awesome. I loved the ''And Some Wasps'' upgrade to the Jar of Bees. I'm pretty certain those will quickly become fan favorites.



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Wait, does the Inquisitor get a balcony?  I was too busy looking at everything else to notice, so my thoughts when he spoke to Vivienne were.."Hmmm, that's a nice balcony you got there Vivienne, I want that balcony..."


Yes, the Inquisitor started on the balcony attached to their room.

EDIT: :ph34r:
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I believe the video starts off on your balcony.

 

You see, I'm too busy being excited to notice things like that... thank you, this news pleases me.

 

Edit:  So you do!  it's a very nice balcony too.



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I think I can probably get used to the drums, though I still hope we'll have some ability to change the ambient soundtrack of our own castle.

 

Now, those hideous PJs on the other hand...


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Wait, does the Inquisitor get a balcony?  I was too busy looking at everything else to notice, so my thoughts when he spoke to Vivienne were.."Hmmm, that's a nice balcony you got there Vivienne, I want that balcony..."

 

The video began on the balcony of the Inquisitor's bedroom :)


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*creates PJ Support Thread*


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that's not what i'm saying at all. it doesn't matter if how many FPS it is, The moving image is an illusion, the illusion is maintained via keeping a stable frame rate, choppness is a result of shifting frame rates, which breaks the illusion. 

You're talking about fluidity as if it's binary, and anything above 30 is virtually the same and impossible to differentiate. If that was true then the dip from 60 to 50 you were talking about wouldn't be noticable since they're both far above this magical 30 fps border. 60 fps is always gonna be significantly smoother than 30 fps, give a pc gamer 2 seconds on each and he/she will tell you which one is 30 and which one is 60 and get it correct 100% of the time.



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The video began on the balcony of the Inquisitor's bedroom :)

 

I know EP I know :D...I suffered from temporary blindness/stupidity due my hype level...



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Too bad there isn't a day-night cycle. Standing on that balcony, watching the stars and these mountains in the distance .. damn. ^_^


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I am sooooo gonna steal that helmet there in the back.... and the swords.... the banners. they look so awsome!........*happy sigh*



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The Skyhold parts of the Video were really amazing, the place looks great so far! The bard in the taverns sounded especially great. I'm a little afraid that my Qunari rogue might look pretty silly in those casual clothes... but a mod that lets you wear your regular armor in Skyhold should be relatively easy to make, shouldnt it?

 

The chess game looked interesting, though I think there was an option missing. It's [Cheat], [Play fair] and [let him win], but I would've liked something along the lines of [Play poorly]. I know, it's practically the same as [let him win], but I would simply like an option that doesn't imply that my Inquisitor loses on purpose. The Qunari I mentioned above has probably never played chess, why should he even have a remote chance of beating Cullen? Maybe I just want my Inquisitor to have no experience at that game or simply be terribly bad at all kinds of board games? It's not a big deal, I just noticed this in ME as well and found it a little irritating. As I said, [let him win] is basically exactly the same.



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I want slipper DLC...



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Pluses:
-Bard song was awesome
-Only increases my hype, the war table, the conversations, customization, all looks good

Minuses:
-That echo, sorry that was super annoying
-Pajamas as casual clothes? Ehhhhhh me no like
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The Skyhold parts of the Video were really amazing, the place looks great so far! The bard in the taverns sounded especially great. I'm a little afraid that my Qunari rogue might look pretty silly in those casual clothes... but a mod that lets you wear your regular armor in Skyhold should be relatively easy to make, shouldnt it?

 

The chess game looked interesting, though I think there was an option missing. It's [Cheat], [Play fair] and [let him win], but I would've liked something along the lines of [Play poorly]. I know, it's practically the same as [let him win], but I would simply like an option that doesn't imply that my Inquisitor loses on purpose. The Qunari I mentioned above has probably never played chess, why should he even have a remote chance of beating Cullen? Maybe I just want my Inquisitor to have no experience at that game or simply be terribly bad at all kinds of board games? It's not a big deal, I just noticed this in ME as well and found it a little irritating. As I said, [let him win] is basically exactly the same.

It would have been better if they made a mini game out of it had you acually play chess against the AI.....But I guess they had to make it part of the convo... ^_^


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The Inquisitor bedroom was great , and there was a beautiful mural or painting above the bed!

 

I'm not fond of the main room with the throne though , and I haven't seen any main decor I like so far...



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Skyhold is nice.  Only wished there is at least one large open area with a peaceful garden and fountain.   It's just too many walls and closed in.  The place look just a bit too cold for my taste. Would have been great if we could also move the furnitures around.  Oh. I also  don't think old and fragile people would want to live at Skyhold.  Those steps!!


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Ok, I'm fine with the animations, but why am I dressed like a shabby potato farmer?

 

Other than that, Skyhold looks wonderful with so many things to do. I just wish I was dressed as well as my companions and the NPCs hanging out there.


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The Skyhold parts of the Video were really amazing, the place looks great so far! The bard in the taverns sounded especially great. I'm a little afraid that my Qunari rogue might look pretty silly in those casual clothes... but a mod that lets you wear your regular armor in Skyhold should be relatively easy to make, shouldnt it?

 

The chess game looked interesting, though I think there was an option missing. It's [Cheat], [Play fair] and [let him win], but I would've liked something along the lines of [Play poorly]. I know, it's practically the same as [let him win], but I would simply like an option that doesn't imply that my Inquisitor loses on purpose. The Qunari I mentioned above has probably never played chess, why should he even have a remote chance of beating Cullen? Maybe I just want my Inquisitor to have no experience at that game or simply be terribly bad at all kinds of board games? It's not a big deal, I just noticed this in ME as well and found it a little irritating. As I said, [let him win] is basically exactly the same.

[Let him win] could be open to interpretation as the counter to cheating if it makes you feel better. Say [play fairly] is an option for Inquisitor's good at chess and [Cheat] is an option for those bad at chess and [Let him win] is an option for both. For Inquisitor's good at chess, it's purposefully losing to stroke Cullen's ego or whatever. For Inquisitor's bad at chess, it's not resorting to cheating when you know you're outmatched. Or not flipping the table over or whatever.

 

For example, when I used to play my older brother on MarioKart on the SNES, if I were going to win he would sometimes pull out my controller rather than [Letting me win]. English language is ambiguous enough that you can really interpret it the way you want to if it's a matter of roleplaying/headcanon. Now if it said [Lose on purpose] you'd be screwed.   ;)



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Skyhold is nice.  Only wished there is at least one large open area with a peaceful garden and fountain.   It's just too many walls and closed in.  The place look just a bit too cold for my taste. Would have been great if we could also move the furnitures around.

It reminds me a lot of the old castle ruins we have here (in Denmark), so it feels absolutely perfect to me, even if it's a little cold. :wub:



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I suppose since the comparison was made to the Normandy, and Shepard could change the ambient music (at least in their cabin) in ME2 and ME3.

Perhaps they were thinking of Shep's quarters on Normandy?

 

The music in Shepard's cabin wasn't ambient, though, it was diegetic - it existed in the world, since Shepard had control over it.  But I take your point.


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#424
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Guys,look at the bright side of having the drums....

It's an incentive to build the nice,quiet Chantry!  :D



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@LEXX:  There is a garden though... he built it.  It wasn't that courtyard they visited - I'm sure of it.

 

Also - have you ever seen real castles?  I have - took a two week tour of the castles in England and Wales.  THOSE STEPS x1000.  Seriously... and talk about cramped hallways.  Real castles pretty much sucked to live in - but they were safe.