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[TK514]

Ah, yes.  Jennifer "Anders is a cannibal and I no longer work for BioWare" Hepler.

[Lulupab]

So we need to kill both then? Okay.

I don't get what you mean. Not to mention fade entities cannot be harmed physically, if you kill an abomination the entity will simply go back to fade, perhaps a bit exhausted.

[Hellion Rex]

I don't get what you mean. Not to mention fade entities cannot be harmed physically, if you kill an abomination the entity will simply go back to fade, perhaps abit exhausted.

Meh, with the Veil falling a part, I believe that it's safe to say that the old rules can easily be overwritten and overturned, especially with the Fade mark.

[Lulupab]

Meh, with the Veil falling a part, I believe that it's safe to say that the old rules can easily be overwritten and overturned, especially with the Fade mark.

We'll have to see, don't we? Perhaps with the torn spirits will cease to ignore mortals altogether and team up to do something.

[Br3admax]

I don't get what you mean. Not to mention fade entities cannot be harmed physically, if you kill an abomination the entity will simply go back to fade, perhaps a bit exhausted.

That's cool. I'll kill Justice as many times as I have to. 

[Han Shot First]

Anders is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people, most of them innocent. 

 

He is probably indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands, including mages he was supposedly defending.

 

Why should Anders' life be spared again? He is a mass-murdering terrorist and Thedas' Helen of Troy. Please tell me you have a more compelling reason for sparing him beyond "Hawke's husbando."

[Muspade]

That's cool. I'll kill Justice as many times as I have to. 

 

Which one?

[raging_monkey]

Anders is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people, most of them innocent. 
 
He is probably indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands, including mages he was supposedly defending.
 
Why should Anders' life be spared again? He is a mass-murdering terrorist and Thedas' Helen of Troy. Please tell me you have a more compelling reason for sparing him beyond "Hawke's husbando."

letting him live is a poetic form of justice forcing him to live with the guilt of killing hundreds if not thousands. Killing him makes him a maytr(in his mind) and would give other extremists ideas. I let him live because if i kill him he would become a arcane horror and wreack havoc even more. But if he's alive then maybe just maybe "ander" keeps justice in check to some degree.

[LOLandStuff]

Anders is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people, most of them innocent. 

 

He is probably indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands, including mages he was supposedly defending.

 

Why should Anders' life be spared again? He is a mass-murdering terrorist and Thedas' Helen of Troy. Please tell me you have a more compelling reason for sparing him beyond "Hawke's husbando."

 

I think that bombing was a marriage proposal.

 

If you agree with him then you're like married. If not, you've never truly loved him.

[Lulupab]

Anders is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people, most of them innocent.

He is probably indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands, including mages he was supposedly defending.

Why should Anders' life be spared again? He is a mass-murdering terrorist and Thedas' Helen of Troy. Please tell me you have a more compelling reason for sparing him beyond "Hawke's husbando."

I keep him alive so that he realizes what he has done in a poetic Justice sense, same as Loghian and he is quite powerful so he will be helpful in roasting Templars along the way. From the day one I always suspected Mage/Templar problem would never be solved through complacency therefore when the war started which I always felt was inevitable I'm gonna need every single ally and if you spare Anders and side with mages he is pretty much synced with Justice and neither is gonna change in favor or forced by the other and he has become stable therefore he is a valuable ally, again like Loghain.

[Apostate.]

Anders is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people, most of them innocent. 

 

He is probably indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands, including mages he was supposedly defending.

 

Why should Anders' life be spared again? He is a mass-murdering terrorist and Thedas' Helen of Troy. Please tell me you have a more compelling reason for sparing him beyond "Hawke's husbando."

/Agree.

 

It seems the goal of letting him live is to let the emotional guilt eat away at him but I mean his act could

be described as sociopath in away, he knew what he was going to do would cost innocent lives. It mattered not.

[R0vena]

I keep him alive so that he realizes what he has done in a poetic Justice sense, same as Loghian and he is quite powerful so he will be helpful in roasting Templars along the way. From the day one I always suspected Mage/Templar problem would never be solved through complacency therefore when the war started which I always felt was inevitable I'm gonna need every single ally and if you spare Anders and side with mages he is pretty much synced with Justice and neither is gonna change in favor or forced by the other and he has become stable therefore he is a valuable ally, again like Loghain.
 

if we go with that logic, isn't Sebastian, as Prince of Starkhaven, much more valuable ally?

[Xilizhra]

if we go with that logic, isn't Sebastian, as Prince of Starkhaven, much more valuable ally?

No. He's deeply ideologically unreliable, and has the spine of a jellyfish.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

/Agree.

 

It seems the goal of letting him live is to let the emotional guilt eat away at him but I mean his act could

be described as sociopath in away, he knew what he was going to do would cost innocent lives. It mattered not.

Exactly. He doesn't care about the means, but only the ends. Therefore he will not feel guilty about the lives lost if he lives because its "for the cause". 

[Hellion Rex]

 

 

Exactly. He doesn't care about the means, but only the ends. Therefore he will not feel guilty about the lives lost if he lives because its "for the cause". 

 

Oh how I loathe the "greater good" rhetoric sometimes...

[Xilizhra]

 

 

Exactly. He doesn't care about the means, but only the ends. Therefore he will not feel guilty about the lives lost if he lives because its "for the cause". 

 

I would say this is about as far from the truth as can be. Anders openly admits to Isabela that those he would kill also deserve justice. He keeps every death with him, but does see the ends as being more important; that doesn't mean that he disregards the means. It's not like he blew up the Chantry before coming to the belief that there was no other option.

[Br3admax]

Which one?

You say that like we have to pick. Kill Vengeance. Go into the Fade and kill Justice/Vengeance again. Then when he turns into a wisp, we kill that too. 

[R0vena]

No. He's deeply ideologically unreliable, and has the spine of a jellyfish.

Sebastian supports Hawke no matter what side Hawke chooses. He is not a mage-hater, all he cares about is avenging the woman who was like a mother to him. (And who wouldn't in his place?) I have the impression if Hawke gives him that vengeance Sebastian would be a willing and reliable ally. In any case, chances of him suddenly changing sides and betraying Hawke are no greater than possibility of Anders losing control to Vengeance again and bringing more trouble to Hawke.

[Xilizhra]

Sebastian supports Hawke no matter what side Hawke chooses. He is not a mage-hater, all he cares about is avenging the woman who was like a mother to him. (And who wouldn't in his place?) I have the impression if Hawke gives him that vengeance Sebastian would be a willing and reliable ally. In any case, chances of him suddenly changing sides and betraying Hawke are no greater than possibility of Anders losing control to Vengeance again and bringing more trouble to Hawke.

Well, the biggest reason I have for rejecting Sebastian is that I'm not going to kill a friend based on the say-so of another one, especially not when the latter starts threatening me.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would say this is about as far from the truth as can be. Anders openly admits to Isabela that those he would kill also deserve justice. He keeps every death with him, but does see the ends as being more important; that doesn't mean that he disregards the means. It's not like he blew up the Chantry before coming to the belief that there was no other option.

Here's the thing: Anders lies a lot. If he truly thought those he killed deserved justice, he would kill himself right then and there after blowing up the Chantry instead of leaving it up to Hawke or turn himself into the city guard when it was over. But he doesn't. Instead, he runs off because he sees his life as more valuable than the hundreds of which he just murdered and the thousands he just ruined and instead keeps doing what wronged those people. 

[R0vena]

Well, the biggest reason I have for rejecting Sebastian is that I'm not going to kill a friend based on the say-so of another one, especially not when the latter starts threatening me.

well, it is a completely different matter, I can understand that.)) 

But Sebastian was in a considerable shock at that moment, so any harsh words or threats of his part could also be viewed with certain degree of forgiveness.

 

Of course, not all Hawkes are big friends with Anders and so not all of then are obliged to feel that way.

[MisterJB]

Anders went from write a manifesto to terrorism without even stopping anywhere else.

[herkles]

Well, the biggest reason I have for rejecting Sebastian is that I'm not going to kill a friend based on the say-so of another one, especially not when the latter starts threatening me.

 

what about the fact that anders nearly kills Ella or winds up doing so, and lies to hawke about the whole removing justice potion?  

[Br3admax]

Anders is a mage though, so it's okay.

[Alan Rickman]

I kill Anders because he was Hawke's friend. But that's just me.