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[MisterJB]

Personally, I was more shocked by the whole "I killed an innocent girl and now not only will I attend her funeral, I will also lie to her parents so they think her death was caused by Templars thus I will profit from her murder."

[Xilizhra]

well, it is a completely different matter, I can understand that.)) 

But Sebastian was in a considerable shock at that moment, so any harsh words or threats of his part could also be viewed with certain degree of forgiveness.

 

Of course, not all Hawkes are big friends with Anders and so not all of then are obliged to feel that way.

That forgiveness being "not killing him on the spot for declaring war on Kirkwall."

 

 

what about the fact that anders nearly kills Ella or winds up doing so, and lies to hawke about the whole removing justice potion?  

Anders himself realized the gravity of that near-disaster and spent three years focusing on how to better control himself; he's certainly not taking it lightly. As for lying... eh, he wanted to protect me. I'm not pleased, but not murderously angry either.

[MisterJB]

Terrorism and political murder on Kirkwall earns you a commendation, tough.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Personally, I was more shocked by the whole "I killed an innocent girl and now not only will I attend her funeral, I will also lie to her parents so they think her death was caused by Templars thus I will profit from her murder."

Wait, he does this? 

[Xilizhra]

Terrorism and political murder on Kirkwall earns you a commendation, tough.

Not killing someone isn't the same thing as rewarding them.

 

 

Wait, he does this? 

Not if Hawke doesn't screw up. An attempt to bring good out of destruction.

[AresKeith]

Wait, he does this? 

 

Yup

[The Hierophant]

I wonder if Andersmancers would let him French their Hawke if they knew where his mouth had been?

[MisterJB]

Wait, he does this? 

Yeah, if he kills Ellia he says he'll try to attend her funeral so he can convince her parents she was killed by Templars.

 

Killing innocent girl: Bad.

Attending her funeral: very bad, disrespectful.

Lying to victim's parents: Evil.

So it serves his political purposes: PURE EVIL!

[Xilizhra]

Yeah, if he kills Ellia he says he'll try to attend her funeral so he can convince her parents she was killed by Templars.

 

Killing innocent girl: Bad.

Attending her funeral: very bad, disrepectful.

Lying to victim's parents: Evil.

So it serves his political purposes: PURE EVIL!

Hardly evil. Simply trying to make the best of a bad situation.

[Hellion Rex]

Let Anders live because I wanted him to help me save the mages he had just damned with his explosion. What I hated was that by not killing him, the character made it seem like I agreed with his decision, which I most certainly did not agree with. I at least headcanon that I told him to leave once we had escaped Kirkwall. He's no longer a friend of my Hawke.

[Xilizhra]

Let Anders live because I wanted him to help me save the mages he had just damned with his explosion. What I hated was that by not killing him, the character made it seem like I agreed with his decision, which I most certainly did not agree with. I at least headcanon that I told him to leave once we had escaped Kirkwall. He's no longer a friend of my Hawke.

There's no need to headcanon that, they already split up if you didn't romance him.

[Hellion Rex]

There's no need to headcanon that, they already split up if you didn't romance him.

I'm aware of that. But my point was that in my headcanon, Hawke made it a point to tell Anders that he effed up before they all split.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Sebastian supports Hawke no matter what side Hawke chooses. He is not a mage-hater, all he cares about is avenging the woman who was like a mother to him. (And who wouldn't in his place?) I have the impression if Hawke gives him that vengeance Sebastian would be a willing and reliable ally. In any case, chances of him suddenly changing sides and betraying Hawke are no greater than possibility of Anders losing control to Vengeance again and bringing more trouble to Hawke.

I'm surprise that so many people are so pro-rivalry Sebastian. The trailers of Exiled Prince is about tempting Sebastian to forsake his vows to the Chantry for worldly power, by a desire demon no less. If a demon is trying to tell you to do something, usually it's bad news. His only support to raise an army to take back his throne is a Kirkwall noble (i.e., Harriman's daughter). Even Elthina warns him to "tread carefully Sebastian, you could start a war." Urging him to take back the crown could embroil Kirkwall into war with Starkhaven. Ofcourse, sparing Anders will also make him want to retake Starkhaven and possibly ensure war with Starkhaven too. Added that some of his talents include skills like Maferath's arrow, the traitor to Andraste, does not foreshadow happy implications. The happy ending is the friendship route Sebastian but he's just like an archer priest which isn't really that valuable an ally but at least he doesn't do more damage. Now this is all my intuition talking and maybe it won't turn out like that but yeah, Hawke's friends really get him in deep **** sometimes.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Not if Hawke doesn't screw up. An attempt to bring good out of destruction.

Did you seriously just blame Hawke for Ander's murder of Ella? 

 

Yup

Yeah, if he kills Ellia he says he'll try to attend her funeral so he can convince her parents she was killed by Templars.

 

Killing innocent girl: Bad.

Attending her funeral: very bad, disrepectful.

Lying to victim's parents: Evil.

So it serves his political purposes: PURE EVIL!

That's disgusting. 

 

If he truly believed that his victims deserved justice, he would turn himself in for her death alone. 

[AresKeith]

Hardly evil. Simply trying to make the best of a bad situation.

 

Which can count as evil

[Xilizhra]

 

Did you seriously just blame Hawke for Ander's murder of Ella?

Justice's. Also, it wasn't Hawke's fault, but that'll only happen if Hawke screws up.

 

 

That's disgusting. 

 

If he truly believed that his victims deserved justice, he would turn himself in for her death alone. 

There's a time and place for that, which isn't now. Right now, the templars are the greater threat.

[Hellion Rex]

 

 

Did you seriously just blame Hawke for Ander's murder of Ella? 

 

That's disgusting. 

 

If he truly believed that his victims deserved justice, he would turn himself in for her death alone. 

 

iirc, Aveline slams down hard on him after he admitted to that, and I was cheering her on!

 

Anders: Can I ask you something, Aveline?
    Aveline: I cannot look the other way when mages break the law--
    Anders: That's not what I was going to ask.
    Anders: There's a girl. A mage apprentice. She...was murdered in the Gallows recently. Have you heard anything of it?
    Aveline: You mean the girl you killed.
    Anders: Yes. I'd like to... attend the funeral. Do something.
    Aveline: The official templar report says she was killed by a demon of unknown origin.
    Aveline: Let her family mourn in peace.

[daveliam]

There's no need to headcanon that, they already split up if you didn't romance him.

 

I had to headcanon it for my Hawke because I romanced him.  I just feel like his romance arc fits the story better.  And it's fine until that moment.  At the end, however, I felt the same way elu did.  I certainly didn't want to execute him.  I couldn't forgive him, but I wanted to accept his help in that battle.  He was Hawke's live-in lover, after all.  I wish there was a way to make it clear:  "I'm not killing you.  I'm giving you a chance to try to make this right.  But afterwards?  I want you gone."  I hate that I get the "We all left....except Anders" line at the end.  Ugh.  Nothing worse than an ex- you can't get rid of.

[The Hierophant]

There's a time and place for that, which isn't now. Right now, the templars are the greater threat.

lol

[Xilizhra]

iirc, Aveline slams down hard on him after he admitted to that, and I was cheering her on!

 

Anders: Can I ask you something, Aveline?
    Aveline: I cannot look the other way when mages break the law--
    Anders: That's not what I was going to ask.
    Anders: There's a girl. A mage apprentice. She...was murdered in the Gallows recently. Have you heard anything of it?
    Aveline: You mean the girl you killed.
    Anders: Yes. I'd like to... attend the funeral. Do something.
    Aveline: The official templar report says she was killed by a demon of unknown origin.
    Aveline: Let her family mourn in peace.

What they should know, at minimum, is what the templars tried to do to her and why.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Justice's. Also, it wasn't Hawke's fault, but that'll only happen if Hawke screws up.

 

 

There's a time and place for that, which isn't now. Right now, the templars are the greater threat.

No, Anders'. Anders and Justice are one now. He beats us over the head with that fact throughout the game. 

And you are saying that if Hawke did better, it wouldn't have happened. You are blaming Hawke. 

 

So again, he sees his life as more important than those he kills and everyone else can die "for the cause".

And I'm sure "The Templars are the bigger threat" is consolation to the parents for the death of their little girl he murdered.

 

 

iirc, Aveline slams down hard on him after he admitted to that, and I was cheering her on!

 

Anders: Can I ask you something, Aveline?
    Aveline: I cannot look the other way when mages break the law--
    Anders: That's not what I was going to ask.
    Anders: There's a girl. A mage apprentice. She...was murdered in the Gallows recently. Have you heard anything of it?
    Aveline: You mean the girl you killed.
    Anders: Yes. I'd like to... attend the funeral. Do something.
    Aveline: The official templar report says she was killed by a demon of unknown origin.
    Aveline: Let her family mourn in peace.

Good for Aveline. To quote Isabela: "That's my girl." 

[Hellion Rex]

I had to headcanon it for my Hawke because I romanced him.  I just feel like his romance arc fits the story better.  And it's fine until that moment.  At the end, however, I felt the same way elu did.  I certainly didn't want to execute him.  I couldn't forgive him, but I wanted to accept his help in that battle.  He was Hawke's live-in lover, after all.  I wish there was a way to make it clear:  "I'm not killing you.  I'm giving you a chance to try to make this right.  But afterwards?  I want you gone."  I hate that I get the "We all left....except Anders" line at the end.  Ugh.  Nothing worse than an ex- you can't get rid of.

Damn, that really sucks. I hate that if you spare him, they make your Hawke sound like they agree. Drives me up the wall.

[Xilizhra]

No, Anders'. Anders and Justice are one now. He beats us over the head with that fact in the game. 

And you are saying that is Hawke did better, it wouldn't have happened. You are blaming Hawke.

Allow me to put it like this. If someone is shot in a firefight, and the companion of the one who was shot could have pushed him out of the way but didn't, it's not the companion's fault that the one who was shot was shot, because the companion didn't fire the gun, but the companion still screwed up.

 

 

So again, he sees his life as more important than those he kills and everyone else can die "for the cause".

And I'm sure "The Templars are the bigger threat" is consolation to the parents for the death of their little girl he murdered.

There's no way to fix Ella's death if it happens. All we can do is either ignore it or use it for good in some way.

[Hellion Rex]

What they should know, at minimum, is what the templars tried to do to her and why.

Maybe. But why should they believe a random apostate that they had never met and have absolutely no reason to believe. On top of that, said apostate is the one who killed her.

[Br3admax]

That's disgusting. 

 

If he truly believed that his victims deserved justice, he would turn himself in for her death alone. 

 

"The Templars did it."-Ander's to dead girl's parents . Seriously was seconds away from ragequitting when I realised I had to let him stay in the party too.