Maybe. But why should they believe a random apostate that they had never met and have absolutely no reason to believe. On top of that, said apostate is the one who killed her.
Regrettable, like many things. Luckily, I never have to worry about it in my worldstate.
Allow me to put it like this. If someone is shot in a firefight, and the companion of the one who was shot could have pushed him out of the way but didn't, it's not the companion's fault that the one who was shot was shot, because the companion didn't fire the gun, but the companion still screwed up.
It's the person who fired the shot's fault.
Anders fired the shot.
There's no way to fix Ella's death if it happens. All we can do is either ignore it or use it for good in some way.
That good being the arrest of a literal murderer.
What you're suggesting is after killing an innocent person, the blame is put on a group who did not kill that child to start a war.
This only solidifies my statement that Anders is a warmonger.
Or we could call her opportunitistic killer out on his bullsh¡t?There's no way to fix Ella's death if it happens. All we can do is either ignore it or use it for good in some way.
There's no way to fix Ella's death if it happens. All we can do is either ignore it or use it for good in some way.
That's just messed up Xil
It's the person who fired the shot's fault.
Anders fired the shot.
Indeed. Hawke still screwed up.
That good being the arrest of a literal murderer.
I'd weigh in with a counteropinion... but I have none, because my Anders never killed anyone he wasn't supposed to in Act 2.
Or we could call her opportunitistic killer out on his bullsh¡t?
he is a mage, don't you know a mage can do no wrong? if he/she does, it is not his/her fault but someone elses.
Seriously? Defending lying to the parents of the girl you murdered in order to support a political goal?
That's just deplorable.
And Annulment, involuntary Tranquility, and such are not deplorable, but one lie is? Fascinating.
Indeed. Hawke still screwed up.
No, Hawke did not screw up. Hawke is not the player. We know what will happen, but Hawke does not.
But hey... Anders was justified, yes?
In the hypothetical killing, no. In the lie thereafter, yes, or at least it's a marginal infraction.
And Annulment, involuntary Tranquility, and such are not deplorable, but one lie is? Fascinating.
So anders can do no wrong because the templars did wrong things? so by the virtue of the templars doing wrong things it lets anders off the hook for all the deplorable things that he did?
But hey... Anders was justified, yes?
In the hypothetical killing, no. In the lie thereafter, yes, or at least it's a marginal infraction.
Excuse me? Please tell me I'm just drunk and you did not just say that someone is justified to lie to a parent of a kid they killed for their own political agenda.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
So anders can do no wrong because the templars did wrong things? so by the virtue of the templars doing wrong things it lets anders off the hook for all the deplorable things that he did?
No, I was speaking only of the one lie.
Of course, in my worldstate, he only ever does one arguably deplorable thing, and I don't want to kill him for it, so.
Excuse me? lease tell me I'm just drunk and you did not just say that someone is justified to lie to a parent of a kid they killed for their own political agenda.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Anders is a mage, Xilzhra is a mage zealot. Mages can do no wrong. if they do, it is not their fault but someone elses. the chantry, the templars, their freinds, never the mage.
And Annulment, involuntary Tranquility, and such are not deplorable, but one lie is? Fascinating.
Oh please, you're calling me out on two completely different matters.
Just as you support killing Templars, I support killing mages. Just as you see Templars as a threat, I see mages as a threat.
But I have never supported using the grief of parents who lost their child to my benefit. I show that much respect, at least; especially considering that, supposedly, those are the people Anders claims to fight for.
This is a new low.
Marginal to who? You? I highly doubt Anders' deceit is only a marginal infraction to Ella's family.In the hypothetical killing, no. In the lie thereafter, yes, or at least it's a marginal infraction.
Anders is a mage, Xilzhra is a mage zealot. Mages can do no wrong. if they do, it is not their fault but someone elses. the chantry, the templars, their freinds, never the mage.
Were that true, I wouldn't have killed Danzig or Danarius, and yet...
Oh please, you're calling me out on two completely different matters.
Just as you support killing Templars, I support killing mages. Just as you see Templars as a threat, I see mages as a threat.
But I have never supported using the grief of parents who lost their child to my benefit. I show that much respect, at least; especially considering that, supposedly, those are the people Anders claims to fight for.
This is a new low.
Ah, so you'll smack down Meredith for bringing up Hawke's mother as a political point too, of course?
Marginal to who? You? I highly doubt Anders' deceit is only a marginal infraction to Ella's family.
Well, I need not worry either way.
Anders didn't tell the family the false story. Aveline did... how is Anders trying spin Ella's death to further his agenda? He didn't tell Aveline to falsify her death in that way. I know people are spiteful at Anders, but Anders isn't trying to exploit a family's grief.
Anders won't be in my Inquisition game. He gets the knife every time in DA2
Xil is the same person who had no issues with Adrian killing a innocent mage and framing her "best friend" to spark a battle which led to the death of Wynne for the purpose of starting the war.
SO I guess I should not be surprised.
Anders didn't tell the family the false story. Aveline did... how is Anders trying spin Ella's death to further his agenda? He didn't tell Aveline to falsify her death in that way. I know people are spiteful at Anders, but Anders isn't trying to exploit a family's grief.
Yes, he does, it appears in ambient dialogue.
Let me see if I can get a screenshot.
Adrian
*hiss*
We do not speak that name!
Im so confused at what exactly people are arguing about in this thread now.
Mages are the greater threat! No Templars are the bigger threat! Im pretty sure we can all agree that they are both threats and both have done wrong.
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