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[Mr.House]

I dislike killing people who are on my side. What can I say?

Supporting a mass murdering terrorist is not really reassuring.

[Xilizhra]

Even when they are mass murdering terrorists who cause the deaths of thousands, including innocents?

Even then. It doesn't have anything to do with magedom either; I'm inclined to spare Loghain, for instance (although I'm pretty sure you're inflating Anders' numbers with "thousands").

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I dislike killing people who are on my side. What can I say?

Anders meanwhile has no problem causing the deaths of people on his side. 

[MisterJB]

So, to really analyze the situation.

Anders loses control of himself and kills an innocent girl. This, by itself, is bad but death is cheap in an RPG. It's evidence of lack of self control but not malicious.

It worsens when he fails to acknowledge the threat he poses and take responsability for his actions. He makes no actions whatsoever to change his behavior.

Then, he actually attends her funeral. This is a lack of respect because, again, he is the murdered and he is facing no punishment. But, if that was all he did, attending the funeral would be a victimless crime and it would be a show of remorse.

 

But then he talks to her parents and this is when things get dark. First of all, if they knew he was the murderer, it would still be a tremendous lack of respect because, the last thing they would want was to see his face. The fact that they don't, makes it, arguably, even worse because he doesn't even give them the cortesy of hating him. There he is, the murderer of their daugther, unrepentant, unpunished. Walking around while their baby rots in the grounds.

 

And THEN, it gets worse. He LIES to them! He lied to the parents of the girl he murdered.

First of all, that is sociopathy. If he felt any empathy for them or their daugther, he would never have the gall to do this. It's the ultimate lack of respect, it's just messed up.

 

AND THEN IT GETS WORSE. He lies not just to have a laugh at their expense (which would be bad enough) but to further his political agenda.

He tries to profit from a murder he commited by manipulating the parents of the victim into supporting the cause of the person who murdered her. It wasn't enough that he murdered that girl, he wants her parents to reward him for it while he escapes with no punishment.

And that is evil. There is no other way of looking at it.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Even then. It doesn't have anything to do with magedom either; I'm inclined to spare Loghain, for instance (although I'm pretty sure you're inflating Anders' numbers with "thousands").

 

So you are just flat out willing to accept the actions of those who are technically on your side and fellow your ideology even if they commit horrifying acts of murder and death to further your cause. 

 

There's being open-minded and pragmatic, and then there's being willingly ignorant of your companions flaws and moral psychopathy. 

[Xilizhra]

So you are just flat out willing to accept the actions of those who are technically on your side and fellow your ideology even if they commit horrifying acts of murder and death to further your cause. 

 

There's being open-minded and pragmatic, and then there's being willingly ignorant of your companions flaws and moral psychopathy. 

Actually, I just don't like killing people who aren't trying to kill me, when they can still do some good. Which I do see in Anders; he seems rather more in control of himself in the Gallows in the Last Straw than he did in the previous two acts.

[Kierro Ren]

My Kaiden Hawke romanced Anders. If Anders shows in DA:I... I feel like he'll do something amazing. He even says something like "I view myself having a tragic demise, doing something great." I doubt the blowing up the chantry, and the knife to the back, was the grand ending he talked about.

 

I'll admit, he did go over board with the blowing up the chantry. I'm not religious, and dislike fantastics, but I'd never blow a church. So, yes he was wrong, but not entirely at fault. Everyone has a " Nuke button", and a person can only take so much, before they blow.

 

Gray Fox: "A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal." 

[Hellion Rex]

*snip*

Query: Do we get banter after the funeral takes place saying that he did indeed go? If someone already answered this, I apologize for missing it.

[Han Shot First]

Even then. It doesn't have anything to do with magedom either; I'm inclined to spare Loghain, for instance (although I'm pretty sure you're inflating Anders' numbers with "thousands").

 

He causes the deaths of hundreds at least.

 

It depends on how long the Mage-Templar war lasts and how widespread, and the extent of the damage to Kirkwall. I think thousands isn't an unreasonable assumption however, seeing as it appears to have spread beyond just the borders of Kirkwall and is still raging at the beginning of DA:I.

[herkles]

Supporting a mass murdering terrorist is not really reassuring.

 

well xill is a zealot. 

 

 

Side note, there is another thing about anders killing/almost killing anders that hasn't been said; and this could be minor but for my hawke it was a key moment that made her decide that if Anders screws up again she will kill him. 

 

If Hawke is a rogue/warrior and Bethany has joined the circle, She writes you a letter with a very key line IMO

 

"One of them, Ella, has taken a shine to me. Adorable!" 

 

Why is this important, to my hawke, this pissed her off because she spent most of her life protecting and doing what she could to make bethany happy. She did manage to calm anders down, but even still. As far as my Hawke knew, anders nearly took away one of the few precious moments of joy she had in the Kirkwall circle. More then the bombing of the chantry for my hawke, it was this event that made my hawke want to kill anders. 

[Xilizhra]

Query: Do we get banter after the funeral takes place saying that he did indeed go? If someone already answered this, I apologize for missing it.

No. We do, however, get Aveline preventing him from doing so.

 

 

He causes the deaths of hundreds at least.

 

It depends on how long the Mage-Templar war lasts and how widespread, and the extent of the damage to Kirkwall. I think thousands isn't an unreasonable assumption however, seeing as it appears to have spread beyond just the borders of Kirkwall and is still raging at the beginning of DA:I.

Keep in mind that he didn't start the war, he only was one factor of many.

[Hellion Rex]

 

I'll admit, he did go over board with the blowing up the chantry. I'm not religious, and dislike fantastics, but I'd never blow a church. So, yes he was wrong, but not entirely at fault. Everyone has a " Nuke button", and a person can only take so much, before they blow.

 

Gray Fox: "A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal." 

And as a result, he damned thousands of Southern mages to war and blood and death.

[MisterJB]

Query: Do we get banter after the funeral takes place saying that he did indeed go? If someone already answered this, I apologize for missing it.

I don't believe so. The simple fact he even considered it is vile enough, tough.

[Xilizhra]

And as a result, he damned thousands of Southern mages to war and blood and death.

That was the templars.

[R0vena]

Depends. I'm assuming the only reason you'd need anders help is if you sided with the mages in the Last Straw. That means you are a wanted fugitive of the Chantry and the Templars. Normal people aren't exactly lining up to help wanted outlaws and since Anders is a powerful healer and mage who owes his life to you and also happens to be an outlaw, his skills could come in handy. Outcasts are likely to stick together. Sebastian he isn't an outcast. And his family, Starkhaven are heavily devoted to the Chantry who apparently blames Hawke for what happens in Kirkwall. My intuition would tell me Anders would be more useful to Hawke from a story standpoint.

I admit I don't understand that logic. If you are an outlaw, you need connections more than ever. Sebastian can provide a lot. Anders presence actually will endanger Hawke since Anders will be wanted for Chantry blowing. Not even talking of the possibility of Vengeance showing up in the most inappropriate moment. 

[Han Shot First]

No. We do, however, get Aveline preventing him from doing so.

 

 

Keep in mind that he didn't start the war, he only was one factor of many.

 

While true, he tossed the match on the powder keg. He is kind of like Thedas' Gavrilo Princip.

[Hellion Rex]

That was the templars.

He kicked the damn thing off by blowing up the Chantry and made the Templars come down even harder.

[Hellion Rex]

While true, he tossed the match on the powder keg. He is kind of like Thedas' Gavrilo Princip.

He was the Shot Heard Round the World.

[Xilizhra]

While true, he tossed the match on the powder keg. He is kind of like Thedas' Gavrilo Princip.

I would argue that Adrian fits that role better.

 

 

He kicked the damn thing off by blowing up the Chantry and made the Templars come down even harder.

He didn't "make" them. Anders was an apostate, not part of the Circle. It was purely the choice of the templars.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Isabela also causes a lot deaths. She instigated a Qunari war. Merrill killed Marathari by consorting with a demon and the devs apparently say its a bad call to let her keep the mirror. Sebastian may instigate a war with Starkhaven. Varric could turn crazy from the lyrium idol piece if given to him. Lot's of bad hypotheticals happen but they only happen depending on how the player interferes. Anders may start a war, but the other companions are no less innocent. Neither is Hawke depending on how you play the protagonist.

[Mr.House]

That was the templars.

It takes two sides to start a war.

[Hazegurl]

 

**** you, Anders. Just **** you.

That is some seriously messed up ****.

wow, I learn something new everyday with this game. Anders is such a low life scum sucking POS!

[Xilizhra]

It takes two sides to start a war.

Er... no it doesn't. All you need is one side to make a declaration, which is what happened.

[Mr.House]

Isabela also causes a lot deaths. She instigated a Qunari war. Merrill killed Marathari by consorting with a demon and the devs apparently say its a bad call to let her keep the mirror. Sebastian may instigate a war with Starkhaven. Varric could turn crazy from the lyrium idol piece if given to him. Lot's of bad hypotheticals happen but they only happen depending on how the player interferes. Anders may start a war, but the other companions are no less innocent. Neither is Hawke depending on how you play the protagonist.

Isabela didn't instigate any war, that was Petrice. and other zealots who refused to leave the qunari alone. Had they left the qunari alone, Arishok would have focused only on the tome and Isabela.

[TheJediSaint]

Er... no it doesn't. All you need is one side to make a declaration, which is what happened.

Declaration?  That's just a formality.  Wars begin when people start killing each other.