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[Xilizhra]

That's how I'm going to play it as well. I'm going to have the Inquisitor be a ruthless Lawful Neutral sort, with absolutely no tolerance (or mercy) for anyone sowing chaos throughout the realm regardless of whether their cause is just or unjust. That will include rebel mages, templars who have broken from the Chantry, rebelling or rioting elves, humans responsible for unprovoked attacks on the elves, or Orlesian nobles or knights rebelling against Celene.

Again, I think you'll have to cozy up to some rebels. Primarily either the mages or the templars.

 

 

I bet you feel extra toasty inside when you get to kill templars AND claim that it wasn't your fault.

I do enjoy templars in DA, because that's always the case; I'm always either defending myself or another. The one exception, with that one templar enthralled by a desire demon in Origins, I let go.

[herkles]

That's how I'm going to play it as well. I'm going to have the Inquisitor be a ruthless Lawful Neutral sort, with absolutely no tolerance (or mercy) for anyone sowing chaos throughout the realm regardless of whether their cause is just or unjust. That will include rebel mages, templars who have broken from the Chantry, rebelling or rioting elves, humans responsible for unprovoked attacks on the elves, or Orlesian nobles or knights rebelling against Celene.

 

cool. my first inquistor, Navilia, is not as ruthless but she is rather scheming and has a light machevilian streak to her though. 

 

my second inquistor, my dalish mage, actually won't give a damn between the mage-templar conflict. why? because to her they are largely humans fighting humans while the city elves are still oppressed. Why should she care if templars or mages come out on top if her own people will still be treated like crap by the winning side? 

[Lulupab]

I do enjoy templars in DA, because that's always the case; I'm always either defending myself or another. The one exception, with that one templar enthralled by a desire demon in Origins, I let go.

They do make it easier, don't they? I still give them credit for lasting for as long as they did before going full rogue. You know being under constant paranoia and mental pressure of being addicted. It also has no retirement plan, a good and active Templar always loses his mind due to extended addiction and loses the grasp on reality.

[MisterJB]

It is related to that and your previous post. Mages are born that way, nothing much they can do about it. Templars choose to be drug addict maniacs. Excuse us if we protect the former from latter. Templars have shown many times over that they kill first and ask questions later. I don't see how you can deal with them if not killing them. Trust me when I say I never kill any if they give me no reason. Karras was Meredith's favorite btw.

Templars make a terrible sacrifice in order to protect normal people from those who threaten them.

They are as much "drug addict maniacs" as mages are walking hellgates if you want to put it in those terms.

 

Also, if the Templars had shown that many times they "kill first", that would still not be in 100% of the cases thus negating the claim they can't be reasoned with.

 

Also, can you present a list of situations where the Templar's first resource was violence?

[Frogtoad51]

 

Lets keep it civil everyone

I think I've seen Bioware comment on here 4 times now. Its only a matter of time until this thread gets locked lol

[Bigdoser]

Templars make a terrible sacrifice in order to protect normal people from those who threaten them.

They are as much "drug addict maniacs" as mages are walking hellgates if you want to put it in those terms.

 

Also, if the Templars had shown that many times they "kill first", that would still not be in 100% of the cases thus negating the claim they can't be reasoned with.

 

Also, can you present a list of situations where the Templar's first resource was violence?

Problem is the chantry is just using the lyrium as a method of control great sacrifice right? I personally found cass templar description shocking to say the least. My inquisitor is simply going to agree with cass on the matter and pick mages I need power I shall take it. 

 

My inquisitor does not care for the rebelling just closing the gates if templars try and obstruct my decision or if we HAVE to pick a side and if there is no compromise as some people are saying going by the mage or templar tower option. I will simply deal with the templars if they don't leave peacefully. 

[HiroVoid]

Problem is the chantry is just using the lyrium as a method of control great sacrifice right?

I thought it was confirmed templars required lyrium for their powers since it was retconned in the comics?

[Applepie_Svk]

I can only hope of what is dead remains dead in DA:I...

[Bigdoser]

I thought it was confirmed templars required lyrium for their powers since it was retconned in the comics?

Cassandra templar spec description is punching a hole in that a big hole and I am curious on how she avoids the lyrium to use the abilities since seekers use a different method. 

[HiroVoid]

We'll probably have to wait until Inquisition releases then to get the whole picture.

[MisterJB]

Problem is the chantry is just using the lyrium as a method of control great sacrifice right? I personally found cass templar description shocking to say the least. My inquisitor is simply going to agree with cass on the matter and pick mages I need power I shall take it.

It is intringuing but not conclusive.

[Lulupab]

Templars make a terrible sacrifice in order to protect normal people from those who threaten them.

The game and other lore have shown us many recruits are joined for the money, after all the only requirement for becoming a templar is wanting to become one.
 

They are as much "drug addict maniacs" as mages are walking hellgates if you want to put it in those terms.

Every single Templar suffers from the addiction, same cannot be said about the mages. Kirkwall had the record of number of blood mages and Gaider confirmed there were so much more normal mages in the circle. Hawke somehow stumbled upon all the blood mages there.

 

Also, if the Templars had shown that many times they "kill first", that would still not be in 100% of the cases thus negating the claim they can't be reasoned with.
 
Also, can you present a list of situations where the Templar's first resource was violence?

That depends on what you mean by "violence". There are many examples I can make but you will simply say that was one Templar. I can start from the Templar who were after Anders in awakening, Ser Karras and his men, Templars attacking the Dalish and potentially killing them.

 

 

Without a doubt Templars would ruthlessly kill a mother if she doesn't let them take her son or they will take the mother even if it means her children will be left without a guardian. Unlike the mage scenario there is no risk that these might happen, they do happen.

[HiroVoid]

There are plenty of people left with less family after an abomination attack.  Also, people aren't immune to being arrested just because they're parents.

[Lulupab]

There are plenty of people left with less family after an abomination attack.  Also, people aren't immune to being arrested just because they're parents.

 

Some apostates should be left alone.

[MisterJB]

Only Grey Wardens. All other mages should be in Circles.

[Hellion Rex]

Only Grey Wardens. All other mages should be in Circles.

Or working on research in Aeonar for the Chantry...

 

 

Just planning for what I'd like to see in the future.

[HiroVoid]

Some apostates should be left alone.

Maybe so, but until then, current law dictates they be in Circles.  Not really too sure how much the chantry really pursues mages in other cultures anyway since they don't seem to go on active, organized marches against the Dailsh or others who obviously have mages.

[Bigdoser]

Only Grey Wardens. All other mages should be in Circles.

Disagree we need a new system or this whole problem is just going to repeat itself. They are fighting a war for independence now the previous status quo is gone if the templars win and they are sent back to the circles with harsher restrictions its going to be even worse next time they rebel since they will push even further than before.

 

It will be an endless cycle of war and hatred until we can get both groups at the table and talk about a new system or start creating a system both sides are happy with I hope bioware gives that option.

[Br3admax]

Or working on research in Aeonar for the Chantry...

 

 

Just planning for what I'd like to see in the future.

You want to see people in Aeonar? Didn't think you had it in you. 

[Lulupab]

Only Grey Wardens. All other mages should be in Circles.

 

That system has utterly failed and Thedas will burn for it. 

 

Pretty much all mages were free from circles before Andrate and many still are in Tevinter. We know for a fact that mages there are allowed to leave, own property and have family. They might be obligated to return on a specific timeline but still you don't hear about Abomination outrages in tevinter nor before the time of Andraste. This certainly tells us something.

[Hellion Rex]

You want to see people in Aeonar? Didn't think you had it in you. 

Not as prisoners. Make it a Chantry sanctioned research center staffed by Templars. Have your brightest Aequitarian or Loyalist mages go there to study and create better defenses against blood magic and other such research.

[HiroVoid]

I've still got pretty mixed feelings about saying a system that lasted around a thousand years a failure.  It certainly lasted much longer than many other systems.

[Br3admax]

Using Tevinter as support in an argument to let mages be free is actually really foolish.

[Bigdoser]

That system has utterly failed and Thedas will burn for it. 

 

Pretty much all mages were free from circles before Andrate and many still are in Tevinter. We know for a fact that mages there are allowed to leave, own property and have family. They might be obligated to return on a specific timeline but still you don't hear about Abomination outrages in tevinter nor before the time of Andraste. This certainly tells us something.

Eh I think in Tevinter mages fear Tranquility more than being an abomination considering many of the stresses and problems that force people over the edge in the south are not present in Tevinter. 

 

Yet there are rival Magisters etc and nothing could humilate a rival and their house setting them up to become tranquil than killing a rival. Well Tevinter is currently one of the longest standing countries they must be doing something right. 

 

Considering they produce people like Dorian I suspect its not a den of evil like all of us thought. Plus after reading masked empire I think Orlais is pure garbage they are on comparable levels with Tevinter but for different reasons. So much for the country being so "great", Pfff.