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[QueenofFereldan]

The fact Hawke or the Warden can be evil is not an excuse for Anders though. Just because other people are murderers does not mean it's ok to become one.

However, I can see how someone killing left and right might sound hypocritical when blaming Anders.

 

I hope we will see him in Inquisition, just to see at least Varric and Cassandra's reactions. At the very least I hope Hawke will talk about him.

 

Most of the time, I try to have my characters not kill that many. But my male Hawke, my very nice one that stayed neutral in the situation, killed him. Mainly because he got used by Anders, even though he wanted to his rival/friend, but even then did it to end his suffering. In a way, it was for justice, but it was also to release him from Justice/Vengeance too.

[Xilizhra]

So Fenris shouldn't defend himself when the magisters were going after him? Killing his sister is something I never let him do (except once but that was it), because that was out of revenge, but everything else was out of defense. Hawke and the Warden fight those who attack them, UNLESS you CHOOSE to make those choices. The Vigil's Keep can be saved if you took the time to build up its defenses. Yes, Isabela did what she did, but she showed regret. Doesn't change what she did, but you can tell her choices bothered her. Anders, on the other hand, never did. He WANTED to do that for his own war. There is no way that you can stop that or convince him otherwise. And siding with the templars mean you just kill innocent mages? Um...I played the mage ending...I still killed mages because they chose blood magic! And I am pretty sure most of them were still using blood magic in the templar ending. Orsino did in both.

 

I am still neutral with the factions, but Anders' actions can't be written off with a slap on a wrist. Especially when he did nothing to fix his actions or showed any remorse for those choices. I know in RL, I couldn't bring myself to kill him, but I definitely wouldn't let him wonder free. He would be given to the authority for justice those whom he killed.

Just to be clear, you killed one blood mage, along with one room containing both mages and templars who were enthralled by a desire demon. Or is everyone who claims to have killed plenty of mages while siding with the mages playing a different version of the game than I am?

[QueenofFereldan]

Just to be clear, you killed one blood mage, along with one room containing both mages and templars who were enthralled by a desire demon. Or is everyone who claims to have killed plenty of mages while siding with the mages playing a different version of the game than I am?

 

I remember only one group helping me. One. And I seem to remember THREE blood mages. One just after the fight with the templars, the one who summons the Pride Demon, and the one in the room in the Gallows. Not even counting Orsino, who was already helping a blood mage for years. So...yeah, I think we are if you are only counting one in the mage ending.

 

But I am not posting here anymore. I said my piece about Anders, and my piece about the Templar/Mage situation many times. I have nothing else to say.

[dantares83]

Most of the time, I try to have my characters not kill that many. But my male Hawke, my very nice one that stayed neutral in the situation, killed him. Mainly because he got used by Anders, even though he wanted to his rival/friend, but even then did it to end his suffering. In a way, it was for justice, but it was also to release him from Justice/Vengeance too.

i don't think he got used by Anders. U can reject to help him distract the Grand Cleric and this still happens anyway. It will happen anyway, even if u ask Anders to leave in the midst of Act 2. 

 

Anders did not use Hawke in anyway, he have decided to bomb the Chantry anyway. He has never threaten to hurt/kill Hawke in anyway. He only wanted his idea of 'freedom' so badly that he did the most drastic thing. He did not betray Hawke and Hawke has no right to judge him by killing him. Only that idiot Sebastian has openly threaten to kill Hawke. 

[QueenofFereldan]

i don't think he got used by Anders. U can reject to help him distract the Grand Cleric and this still happens anyway. It will happen anyway, even if u ask Anders to leave in the midst of Act 2. 

 

Anders did not use Hawke in anyway, he have decided to bomb the Chantry anyway. He has never threaten to hurt/kill Hawke in anyway. He only wanted his idea of 'freedom' so badly that he did the most drastic thing. He did not betray Hawke and Hawke has no right to judge him by killing him. Only that idiot Sebastian has openly threaten to kill Hawke. 

 

Yet, when you choose to help, it is under the impression that you were going to separate Justice from him. And then he proceeds to attempt to blackmail you if you tried to question him about it. So...yeah, being nice to him at that point is when he uses your friendship to further your goals. True friends don't do that.

 

(goes back to lurking)

[dantares83]

Yet, when you choose to help, it is under the impression that you were going to separate Justice from him. And then he proceeds to attempt to blackmail you if you tried to question him about it. So...yeah, being nice to him at that point is when he uses your friendship to further your goals. True friends don't do that.

 

(goes back to lurking)

well, u can still reject him anyway. and he will still do it. u can choose to do his quest without question too. and of course if u choose that, he will choose not to tell you anything because it would implicate u. and of course he does not want u to stop him.

[Stronglav]

My Hawke romanced Anders and ran away with him. I can't bring myself to kill Anders, honestly. He's right about most things. 

 

Congratulations.You became an acomplicce to a mass murder.

[Xilizhra]

I remember only one group helping me. One. And I seem to remember THREE blood mages. One just after the fight with the templars, the one who summons the Pride Demon, and the one in the room in the Gallows. Not even counting Orsino, who was already helping a blood mage for years. So...yeah, I think we are if you are only counting one in the mage ending.

 

But I am not posting here anymore. I said my piece about Anders, and my piece about the Templar/Mage situation many times. I have nothing else to say.

If you refer to the one who turned into an abomination, there's no indication she was a blood mage. And the one group who helped you was the one you ran into; the others are holed up in the Gallows prison, and many of the others were killed by templars in a prior cutscene.

[dantares83]

Congratulations.You became an acomplicce to a mass murder.

do keep your self-righteous opinion to yourself. Hawke is a mass murderer in the game already. u never heard of birds of feathers, flock together?

[Dark Helmet]

do keep your self-righteous opinion to yourself. Hawke is a mass murderer in the game already. u never heard of birds of feathers, flock together?

 

The difference of course being that the people Hawke kills are generally trying to kill him/her.

 

A claim Anders can not make when it really matters.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The difference of course being that the people Hawke kills are generally trying to kill him/her.

 

A claim Anders can not make when it really matters.

Yep. Self-defense is not murder. 

[Dark Helmet]

Yep. Self-defense is not murder. 

 

But that Mage girl called Anders a Demon! That's clearly assault with a deadly word!

 

Guess he can't handle the truth.

[TheJediSaint]

The difference of course being that the people Hawke kills are generally trying to kill him/her.

 

A claim Anders can not make when it really matters.

Funny thing is, the only person I killed in DA2 who wasn't trying to kill me was Anders.

[herkles]

I am curious why did anders try to blow up the chantry instead of the templar HQ? wouldn't that have been a better place to go boom. 

[RobRam10]

I am curious why did anders try to blow up the chantry instead of the templar HQ? wouldn't that have been a better place to go boom. 

Cause he had enough of that useless Elthina.

[TheJediSaint]

I am curious why did anders try to blow up the chantry instead of the templar HQ? wouldn't that have been a better place to go boom. 

Templar HQ is in the same building as the Circle of Magi.  Hell, Meredith's office was across the hallway from Orsino's.

[Dark Helmet]

Templar HQ is in the same building as the Circle of Magi.  Hell, Meredith's office was across the hallway from Orsino's.

 

It's almost like this whole "Terrorist bombing" thing was a bad idea from the word go...

[TheJediSaint]

It's almost like this whole "Terrorist bombing" thing was a bad idea from the word go...

Anders didn't have the strongest decision-making powers.

[Stronglav]

Yep. Self-defense is not murder. 

 

I guess no one ever tried to kill you or rob you.Self defence is when you defend your self

against someone who is not wiliing to listen to reason.

No matter his opinions or beliefes Anders is a terrorist and mass murderer.

He killed innocent people.Anyone siding with him is an accomplice to his madness.

[Br3admax]

I want you to go back and read the post they were responding to again and reread their response. Then, think about what you just said.  

[Chernaya]

Congratulations.You became an acomplicce to a mass murder.

 

That's just a check on a huge list of the questionable things Hawke can be.

 

To be completely honest, Hawke is pretty guilty by association with Anders whether they agree with him or not. They were the only person who could actually be close enough to Anders to see all of the completely unsubtle warning signs that any sane person would take notice of. But yet they keep him around until it's too late. This is why I'm cool with my canon Hawke being a chaotic revolutionist who agreed with him rather than a Hawke who was somehow completely surprised or offended about what happened yet for some reason never did anything for years to stop it from occurring. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I guess no one ever tried to kill you or rob you.Self defence is when you defend your self

against someone who is not wiliing to listen to reason.

No matter his opinions or beliefes Anders is a terrorist and mass murderer.

He killed innocent people.Anyone siding with him is an accomplice to his madness.

Um, I was saying Hawke isn't a mass murderer because pretty much everyone Hawke kills attacks them first, thus is self-defense on Hawke's part. 

Where did you get me defending Anders from that?

[ThatCityElf]

Alright, everyone. I'm just gonna post this, since I noticed it about a month ago and it's been bothering me, and this thread is supposed to be about ANDERS IN INQUISITION, not another debate on whether Anders is a confusing, complicated, and enraging character (which he obviously is).

 

Based on the footage I noticed in the DA multiplayer trailers, Anders MIGHT be in Inquisition. Make what you will of my interpretation of these images.

 

The first two images were from the official multiplayer Dragon Age trailer (0:53 - 0:55) and the other image is from the Hands On Game Informer Trailer (1:19 - 1:22) In order to see these images clearly, you'll have to pause and play repeatedly in a very annoying fashion.

 

I will also post a picture of Anders in his robes, which is VERY similar to what I see in the video (again, feel free to refute my observations.)

[Lieutenant Kurin]

Alright, everyone. I'm just gonna post this, since I noticed it about a month ago and it's been bothering me, and this thread is supposed to be about ANDERS IN INQUISITION, not another debate on whether Anders is a confusing, complicated, and enraging character (which he obviously is).

 

Based on the footage I noticed in the DA multiplayer trailers, Anders MIGHT be in Inquisition. Make what you will of my interpretation of these images.

 

The first two images were from the official multiplayer Dragon Age trailer (0:53 - 0:55) and the other image is from the Hands On Game Informer Trailer (1:19 - 1:22) In order to see these images clearly, you'll have to pause and play repeatedly in a very annoying fashion.

 

I will also post a picture of Anders in his robes, which is VERY similar to what I see in the video (again, feel free to refute my observations.)

No doubt, the outfit is the same, but they already released the only male human mage's name. Rion (the Elementalist). The others are Neira, the Keeper, the Necromancer (a human female) and the Arcane Warrior (an elf). Considering it's been confirmed we only have 12 multiplayer characters until we get DLC, I don't see how Anders can be one of them.

 

Also, Anders is so ridiculously polarizing that I doubt they'd force him into the Inquisition in any form, as many people would complain they'd never let Anders be one of their agents.

 

Anyway, here's what we know on Rion:

Horrified by the abuses he saw in Kirkwall, Rion was one of the first mages of his Circle tower to take up the flag of rebellion. Seeing the amount of lives that the Mage-Templar War had taken, he went to Haven to await the Divine's outcome but when the temple was destroyed, his hope for resolution was lost. Rion signed up with the Inquisition; seeing it as the mages last chance for peace.

 

You know, Anders is just a nickname.

[Bigdoser]

Most of the multiplayer options are polarizing already so to speak. I assume Leliana is handling the recruiting and choosing of agents since she voiced the multiplayer trailer and what we see of her now and the multiplayer character options she is quite pragmatic going by some of their descriptions.