They see magic as a gift, to be sure, but culturally, they have no problem with ripping the gift away from anyone they deem unworthy.
Probably not, but they also have a system of slavery that they never bother trying to reform.
Again, most pro-mages support the RoT. They make a ton of money off of it , and sometimes they see it as necessary to cull the weak, which even according to WoT leads to abominations more often than anything else.
Again, most pro-mages support the RoT. They make a ton of money off of it , and sometimes they see it as necessary to cull the weak, which even according to WoT leads to abominations more often than anything else.
Highly doubtful.
Considering the close relationship Tevinter has with the dwarves would they really need Tranquil?
According to Gaider, the echantments of Tranquil and Dwarves are different in significant enough ways as to be classified differently. But even if it isn't, not all Dwarves are master lyrium smiths, and the population of Dwarves are limited to say the least. Tranquil can all (or at least have the potential to) craft runes and enchantments due to their unique condition. The Tevinter, which probably have a high demand for magical artifacts, would want more workers than the Dwarves can feasibly provide, to provide magical artifacts and runes.
Actually I believe that the best philosophy ever about Magic in Thedas is: "With power comes great responsability." A bit spiderman but very true. (Except if you want to make a purely evil playthrough/tyrant.
I like the idea & philosophy of the Jedi Order, they have powers (the Force) but still able to restrain themselves (mostly) and even be the guardian of peace. Why can't we try to build something like this in Thedas? Most blood mages I see in Kirkwall is actually using blood magic out of desperation. Why can't we have both templars and mages works together as partners to monitor closely each other but also as guardian of peace to Thedas?
Actually I believe that the best philosophy ever about Magic in Thedas is: "With power comes great responsability." A bit spiderman but very true. (Except if you want to make a purely evil playthrough/tyrant.
I like the idea & philosophy of the Jedi Order, they have powers (the Force) but still able to restrain themselves (mostly) and even be the guardian of peace. Why can't we try to build something like this in Thedas? Most blood mages I see in Kirkwall is actually using blood magic out of desperation. Why can't we have both templars and mages works together as partners to monitor closely each other but also as guardian of peace to Thedas?
That is only possible if templars submit to the state therefore they lose their power over mages to higher officials who in turn control both the mages and templars.
That is only possible if templars submit to the state therefore they lose their power over mages to higher officials who in turn control both the mages and templars.
In this, I'll disagree, as I don't really trust Thedas' states much more than the Chantry. I believe that the templars should be beholden to the smooth functioning of the Circle itself.
Highly doubtful.
Considering what? The Tranquil bring in money. The Tranquil remove the chance of abominations. The Tranquil allow the talented mages to learn in safety. You assuming that most people want to die in exchange for...well nothing is a little naive.
That is only possible if templars submit to the state therefore they lose their power over mages to higher officials who in turn control both the mages and templars.
Templars never had power over mages to begin with.
Templars never had power over mages to begin with.
So they unilaterally declared war on the independent Circle of Magi to seize power they never had to begin with, thus making them look even worse?
Actually I believe that the best philosophy ever about Magic in Thedas is: "With power comes great responsability." A bit spiderman but very true. (Except if you want to make a purely evil playthrough/tyrant.
I like the idea & philosophy of the Jedi Order, they have powers (the Force) but still able to restrain themselves (mostly) and even be the guardian of peace. Why can't we try to build something like this in Thedas? Most blood mages I see in Kirkwall is actually using blood magic out of desperation. Why can't we have both templars and mages works together as partners to monitor closely each other but also as guardian of peace to Thedas?
Jedi don't have to content with demons.
Jedi don't have to content with demons.
They do have to contend with potentially being dragged into evil by supernatural powers if they do relatively mildly bad things, though.
So they unilaterally declared war on the independent Circle of Magi to seize power they never had to begin with, thus making them look even worse?
Yes well, the Templars are idiots. That doesn't make the mages less idiotic.
Considering what? The Tranquil bring in money. The Tranquil remove the chance of abominations. The Tranquil allow the talented mages to learn in safety. You assuming that most people want to die in exchange for...well nothing is a little naive.
Templars never had power over mages to begin with.
If you didn't notice I didn't challenge your previous post when you said there are pro-mages who support the right which is no doubt true given the profit. However I would argue they only support the rite on mages who truly need to die to protect others from them in which case the rite not only removes the threat but makes them useful. You sound it like they advocate it which they don't. Oh and not "most" of them.
The Templar recruits may have no power but the lieutenants and above certainly do. They have the power to engage in global conflict, that is like as much as power one can have in Thedas.
It's true that the cured may eventually learn to control their emotions but it doesn't really solve the root of the problem that mages are supposedly made Tranquil because they are deemed too weak to be able to resist demonic possession. Curing a Tranquil who was inherently weak-willed to begin with may not be the best idea. Although I do question how Tevinter manage such problems since I doubt they use the Rite of Tranquility.
David Gaider confirmed on his tumblr that the Rite of Tranquility is used far more often and loosely in Tevinter because the Magisters just love the idea of being able to strip their rivals of their magic.
He has to picky then and I suspect he will be considering how both Anders and Justice were against blood magic. Also I think psychotic blood mages are executed most of the times as are most maleficars.
And honestly we haven't heard how uncontrollable cured tranquil's emotions are and how long it lasts.
So, it will fall upon Anders to decide who gets and doesn't get to be "restored"? Can you imagine the ethical concerns and conflict that will raise?
Imagine if someone with the capacity to bring the dead back to life appeared in our world. Imagine the chaos that would cause as it would be announced that this one person will decides to is and isn't brought back.
And of course, even if restored mages are able to control their emotions, many were made Tranquil because they can't resists demons. Being restored won't make them able to. And now, there is not even a Circle to contain them.
What's preventing 90% of these restored mages from becoming Abominations?
Actually I believe that the best philosophy ever about Magic in Thedas is: "With power comes great responsability." A bit spiderman but very true. (Except if you want to make a purely evil playthrough/tyrant.
I like the idea & philosophy of the Jedi Order, they have powers (the Force) but still able to restrain themselves (mostly) and even be the guardian of peace. Why can't we try to build something like this in Thedas? Most blood mages I see in Kirkwall is actually using blood magic out of desperation. Why can't we have both templars and mages works together as partners to monitor closely each other but also as guardian of peace to Thedas?
Because Star Wars is not realistic, because Star Wars has technological weapons capable of destroying planets and because Star Wars has had multiple Sith Empires.
So, it will fall upon Anders to decide who gets and doesn't get to be "restored"? Can you imagine the ethical concerns and conflict that will raise?
Imagine if someone with the capacity to bring the dead back to life appeared in our world. Imagine the chaos that would cause as it would be announced that this one person will decides to is and isn't brought back.
And of course, even if restored mages are able to control their emotions, many were made Tranquil because they can't resists demons. Being restored won't make them able to. And now, there is not even a Circle to contain them.
What's preventing 90% of these restored mages from becoming Abominations?
Don't forget we are merely speculating about something that has very little chance to happen. That said even if that's true lets imagine for a moment that we are talking about a game where Anders was killed in DA2. What's stopping Justice to call more spirits of Justice and create more like Anders by actually curing the tranquils. He would create his own ex-tranquil mage army now possessed by spirits of Justice. Its far fetched but so is your speculation. I wouldn't say "many" tranquils were unable to resist demons. I'd argue many tried to resist living in the circle and were rallying other mages to do so, specially recently.
If you didn't notice I didn't challenge your previous post when you said there are pro-mages who support the right which is no doubt true given the profit. However I would argue they only support the rite on mages who truly need to die to protect others from them in which case the rite not only removes the threat but makes them useful. You sound it like they advocate it which they don't. Oh and not "most" of them.
Nope. I'll go one saying what I said before. Thanks.
The Templar recruits may have no power but the lieutenants and above certainly do. They have the power to engage in global conflict, that is like as much as power one can have in Thedas.
I killed Anders in half my playthroughs. I half expect to encounter Vengeance or Justice spirit though. I also think if Anders is still alive, he will be Vengeance. I think the tear in the Rift will affect him much in the same way bringing Anders to the Fade affected him.
Basically, I can see Anders not showing even if he still lives and his body is in the game. Anders that I knew and loved in Awakening is a different person, he is Vengeance and that is what we will see in DA:I if he does appear.
I killed Anders in half my playthroughs. I half expect to encounter Vengeance or Justice spirit though. I also think if Anders is still alive, he will be Vengeance. I think the tear in the Rift will affect him much in the same way bringing Anders to the Fade affected him.
Basically, I can see Anders not showing even if he still lives and his body is in the game. Anders that I knew and loved in Awakening is a different person, he is Vengeance and that is what we will see in DA:I if he does appear.
And what will you do if Anders turns out to still be himself?
Yes please.
If Fiona can have that much baggage, then why not Anders/Justice/Vengeance?
David Gaider confirmed on his tumblr that the Rite of Tranquility is used far more often and loosely in Tevinter because the Magisters just love the idea of being able to strip their rivals of their magic.
Their Templars are essentially also just glorified watch dogs for the Magisters.
It can work perfectly for south Thedas if its tweaked enough. Guardsmen are glorified watchdogs for the state too. Templars can become glorified watchdogs of the state, handling wha tthe guardsmen cannot, magic and mages. The chantry should not control the Templars.
Nope. I'll go one saying what I said before. Thanks.
I'd like to know what your argument is based on when your say "most" of pro-mages support it.
They do have to contend with potentially being dragged into evil by supernatural powers if they do relatively mildly bad things, though.
Well, so do mages. But mages have to content with demons in addition to all that "dark power" goodstuff.
I'd like to know what your argument is based on when your say "most" of pro-mages support it.
The fact that the Circle put the Rite in place to begin with. It's not like it's a Templar thing. It only serves to benefit the Circle, and as of yet, none of the Circles have attempted to remove it. Everybody doesn't live in the rainbow tinted world a lot of you seem to think mages live in. They're people just like anyone else, and people have quite a few flaws.
Well, so do mages. But mages have to content with demons in addition to all that "dark power" goodstuff.
The dark power doesn't alter your mind directly like the dark side of the Force does; it just makes demons more interested in you because you can tear the Veil.
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