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[Lulupab]

Something no one should really consider.

 

If you're pro-mage you should kill him so the revolution has a martyr and the dead have justice.

 

If you aren't pro-mage you should kill him to give justice to the dead and to send a message to the rebels.

 

Both causes are better off with Anders dead albeit for different reasons.

 

What about him helping you protect the mages? If anything Anders has proven himself useful, why not use him? Anders does NOT say anywhere, clearly or otherwise, that he acted to become a martyr. What he does say is that he acted specifically to remove any chance for compromise. He KNEW that what he did was murder, and he knew it was wrong but he think it was necessary. I'm going to go one and speculate because Anders is alive in default world state, he is going to do something noticeable, for better or worse and I really want to see what that is.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What about him helping you protect the mages? If anything Anders has proven himself useful, why not use him? Anders does NOT say anywhere, clearly or otherwise, that he acted to become a martyr. What he does say is that he acted specifically to remove any chance for compromise. He KNEW that what he did was murder, and he knew it was wrong but he think it was necessary. I'm going to go one and speculate because Anders is alive in default world state, he is going to do something noticeable, for better or worse and I really want to see what that is.

This is innaccurate. Before you kill him: 

"The sooner I die the sooner I become an inspiration to mages for generations to come".  

[Lulupab]

This is wrong. Before you kill him: 

"The sooner I die the sooner I become an inspiration to mages for generations to come".  

 

If that's true then its from rival Anders and I only did it once so I don't remember, if its present in rival playtrhough only then we cannot claim he wanted or didn't want to become a martyr, yeah that's how messed up DA2 approval system is, specially in Anders' case who is practically a different person in each. Friend Anders thinks the overthrowing of Templars is necessary so he understood that to do that would require that someone get their hands bloody. He decided that he would be willing to do that, be willing to be the person who committed a heinous act so that no one else would have to.

[Dark Helmet]

If that's true then its from rival Anders and I only did it once so I don't remember, if its present in rival playtrhough only then we cannot claim he wanted or didn't want to become a martyr, yeah that's how messed up DA2 approval system is, specially in Anders' case who is practically a different person in each. Friend Anders thinks the overthrowing of Templars is necessary so he understood that to do that would require that someone get their hands bloody. He decided that he would be willing to do that, be willing to be the person who committed a heinous act so that no one else would have to.

 

Nope. Rival Anders wants to die because he realizes that he can't control himself anymore.

 

Friend Anders wants to die so he can be a martyr.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If that's true then its from rival Anders and I only did it once so I don't remember, if its present in rival playtrhough only then we cannot claim he wanted or didn't want to become a martyr, yeah that's how messed up DA2 approval system is, specially in Anders' case who is practically a different person in each. Friend Anders thinks the overthrowing of Templars is necessary so he understood that to do that would require that someone get their hands bloody. He decided that he would be willing to do that, be willing to be the person who committed a heinous act so that no one else would have to.

He says it to me when I have him at 100% Friendship. 

[Lulupab]

Nope. Rival Anders wants to die because he realizes that he can't control himself anymore.

 

Friend Anders wants to die so he can be a martyr.

 

That's just baseless and its what you think. This is not a gloomy person who wants to become a martyr, he is a revolutionary with blood on his hand who doesn't care about his fate at all, if he dies he will become a martyr but he doesn't want to. Just look at how happy he is for a chance to protect mages and kill Templars.

 

[LOLandStuff]

Then Anders must've been referring to inspiration in an artistic way on friendship.

It sure makes for a good excuse.

[Dark Helmet]

That's just baseless and its what you think. This is not a gloomy person who wants to become a martyr, he is a revolutionary with blood on his hand who doesn't care about his fate at all, if he dies he will become a martyr but he doesn't want to. Just look at how happy he is for a chance to protect mages and kill Templars.

 

 

 

Alright Lulu it's clear your extreme devotion to this character makes any actual discussion pointless.

 

Enjoy your terrorist, I'm sure he won't slaughter any more innocents unless Justice REALLY thinks it would be a good idea.

[Lulupab]

Then Anders must've been referring to inspiration in an artistic way on friendship.

It sure makes for a good excuse.

 

I never questioned his martyrdom if he dies, I simply said he doesn't want or didn't plan to become one. It just comes with the package of dying after doing something like that.

 

Alright Lulu it's clear your extreme devotion to this character makes any actual discussion pointless.

 

Enjoy your terrorist, I'm sure he won't slaughter any more innocents unless Justice REALLY thinks it would be a good idea.

 

Ah, the typical response in Anders threads. The discussion is better off without you anyway, because if anything I'm looking at facts and your devotion of disliking him is so much more extreme. After all its you who advocate dead Anders is always better. This thread is about sparing him, if you don't want to participate in it, then don't. This is not about his abhorrent act but his fate afterwards.

[elrofrost]

So is Anders in the game or not? I would hope that if we see someone like Sebastian (I don't know if we do or not, but seeing this total tool and not Anders would ****** me off) we'd see Anders. What I'm saying is we need some closure. Either in a codex entry or seeing  a body called "Anders" in the gutter.

 

Actually, we need closure for all the characters.

[Lulupab]

So is Anders in the game or not? I would hope that if we see someone like Sebastian (I don't know if we do or not, but seeing this total tool and not Anders would ****** me off) we'd see Anders. What I'm saying is we need some closure. Either in a codex entry or seeing  a body called "Anders" in the gutter.

 

Actually, we need closure for all the characters.

 

Varric and Anders are only companions from DA2 who are directly related to Inquisition.

[elrofrost]

Also I gotta add: concerning killing Anders or not.

 

On my play-throughs (I'm in the middle of last one now) it depended on the relationship my Hawke had with Anders. If he/she was in love with Anders then killing him would be impossible. A better approach would be to have one of my other companions offer to do the job. Maybe Fenris, or Aveline. Being the only two "tanks" in any of my games (I usually play a rogue or mage) both were very close to my Hawkes. These are the only two I could see handing out punishment to Anders.

Actually I'm not sure Aveline would do it. She'd probably want to take him into custody and put him on trial.

I like Anders. As a character, my first time playing the game I killed him. And it broke my heart. Never did it again. And you know, in typical Bioware treatment; it doesn't really matter. You still have the final showdown.

[Lulupab]

I agree, I killed him once and could never do it again, it was just so sad. I'm also interested why Bioware chose a mage who sided with mages and spared Anders as default world state...

[raging_monkey]

Really proving that anders was right... the is no such thing as peace. Don't agree with him on what he did but i think bioware made a the right call on the default state imo

[R0vena]

I agree, I killed him once and could never do it again, it was just so sad. I'm also interested why Bioware chose a mage who sided with mages and spared Anders as default world state...

I guess, mage Hawke would be closer connected to the events. It would be more personal for him.

[Mimilette]

Something no one should really consider.

 

If you're pro-mage you should kill him so the revolution has a martyr and the dead have justice.

 

If you aren't pro-mage you should kill him to give justice to the dead and to send a message to the rebels.

 

Both causes are better off with Anders dead albeit for different reasons.

 

What you're saying is incredibly judgemental. I play RPG because I love roleplay, and I had several Hawke that didn't kill Anders for many reasons. Many good reasons storywise. What I would do is completely irrelevant in my decision. The way some people get all worked up, you'd think Anders actually killed real people. All what the bunch of pixels known as Anders did was virtually killing another bunch of pixels.

 

If you hate Anders and killed him, rejoice! You made Thedas a better place and you know he won't be in your game. Why then would you want to discuss about him in Inquisition?

 

I enjoy drama and as I said before, I too would like closure for my Hawke. I would like to see what kind of ideas the writers could come up with. It's not limited to Anders, but his role was so important in DA2 that the story doesn't feel complete without knowing what happened to him. I am hoping it would be a chance to learn more about spirits, possession, or tranquility.

[herkles]

So is Anders in the game or not? I would hope that if we see someone like Sebastian (I don't know if we do or not, but seeing this total tool and not Anders would ****** me off) we'd see Anders. What I'm saying is we need some closure. Either in a codex entry or seeing  a body called "Anders" in the gutter.

 

Actually, we need closure for all the characters.

 

While I disagree with you on Sebastian, I liked his character arc and personality and My Hawke romanced him though I can see why he might be a turn off to others. I do want to at least hear about what happened to each companion/Love Interest 

[R0vena]

There are a lot of reasons to let Anders live.

There are a lot of reasons to kill him.

 

All depends on Hawke we play.

Isn't it what makes the decision really interesting and personal?)

[R0vena]

Also, about Sebastian. Elthina was his mother figure, for goodness sake! Imagine that Anders blew up Leandra and think what Hawke would have felt then. For Sebastian letting Anders live is equivalent for Hawke to let Quentin live. So, yes, he is upset, to say the least. Yes, he is threatening Hawke. Hawke would have done the same in his shoes (unless you roll-play Hawke who really hates his mother, I guess). It doesn't make him a fool, just a normal human being.

[LOLandStuff]

Sebastian is a brother of the Chantry. Elthina was a Grand Cleric of the Chantry. The Chantry controls the Templar. The Templars persecute mages. So, the Chantry is evil and Sebastian has no feelings because evil Chantry people have no feelings.

Makes sense.

[Mimilette]

Also, about Sebastian. Elthina was his mother figure, for goodness sake! Imagine that Anders blew up Leandra and think what Hawke would have felt then. For Sebastian letting Anders live is equivalent for Hawke to let Quentin live. So, yes, he is upset, to say the least. Yes, he is threatening Hawke. Hawke would have done the same in his shoes (unless you roll-play Hawke who really hates his mother, I guess). It doesn't make him a fool, just a normal human being.

 

Yes, I don't think his reaction when he was upset is so hard to understand. I didn't like Sebastian at all as a companion, he was by far my least favorite, but I absolutely want to know what happened to him. Maybe he went through with his threat and hunted Anders.

[R0vena]

Yes, I don't think his reaction when he was upset is so hard to understand. I didn't like Sebastian at all as a companion, he was by far my least favorite, but I absolutely want to know what happened to him. Maybe he went through with his threat and hunted Anders.

Sure. Everybody has a perfect right not to like somebody. If you don't like Sebastian - you don't like Sebastian, no problem.)

 

I am just puzzled why a lot of people seem to condemn Sebastian because of his reaction to Elthina's death, which seemed perfectly logical to me.

[Lulupab]

Sure. Everybody has a perfect right not to like somebody. If you don't like Sebastian - you don't like Sebastian, no problem.)

 

I am just puzzled why a lot of people seem to condemn Sebastian because of his reaction to Elthina's death, which seemed perfectly logical to me.

 

I also think Sebastian's reaction was logical however he is willing to crush everything including his friendship/romance with Hawke if Anders is left alive. He joins Hawke when sided with mages without any trouble which is against chantry beliefs in the first place. I think its only natural that people condemn it.

[R0vena]

I also think Sebastian's reaction was logical however he is willing to crush everything including his friendship/romance with Hawke if Anders is left alive. He joins Hawke when sided with mages without any trouble which is against chantry beliefs in the first place. I think its only natural that people condemn it.

Mmmm... ok, I see your point, I guess. On the other hand, let's imagine in Quentin situation Hawke's LI will say "hey, but he did it all for the right reasons, let's not kill him". Will Hawke agree just because it is LI who is talking?

Most people have certain borders that they are not allowing to cross for anybody. Romanced Alistair will not agree to spare Loghain, for example and leave the Warden if she will.

As for Sebastian's threats of war, he is speaking in the state of shock. We have no idea if he will actually do it. (I guess, we'll see in the Inquisition in the "Anders alive" world state). I will be very curious to find out.

 

EDIT: I don't see why people have to condemn Sebastian if he supports the mages. All he cares about is Elthina, he gets his revenge - he is satisfied. If Anders can support Templars because Hawke's influence, why can't Sebastian do the same?