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[Lulupab]

Mmmm... ok, I see your point, I guess. On the other hand, let's imagine in Quentin situation Hawke's LI will say "hey, but he did it all for the right reasons, let's not kill him". Will Hawke agree just because it is LI who is talking?

Most people have certain borders that they are not allowing to cross for anybody. Romanced Alistair will not agree to spare Loghain, for example and leave the Warden if she will.

As for Sebastian's threats of war, he is speaking in the state of shock. We have no idea if he will actually do it. (I guess, we'll see in the Inquisition in the "Anders alive" world state). I will be very curious to find out.

 

That is indeed a fair point but it will not stop people from condemning (sad, I know).

 

Anders himself have borders such as dealings with demons or siding with Templars immediately ends his romance.

 

Personally I believe even if Sebastian was serious I find him incapable of doing such a thing.

[Xilizhra]

Mmmm... ok, I see your point, I guess. On the other hand, let's imagine in Quentin situation Hawke's LI will say "hey, but he did it all for the right reasons, let's not kill him". Will Hawke agree just because it is LI who is talking?

Most people have certain borders that they are not allowing to cross for anybody. Romanced Alistair will not agree to spare Loghain, for example and leave the Warden if she will.

As for Sebastian's threats of war, he is speaking in the state of shock. We have no idea if he will actually do it. (I guess, we'll see in the Inquisition in the "Anders alive" world state). I will be very curious to find out.

Well, Merrill being Merrill, I could see her potentially persuading my Hawke if she had a good reason and something else to do with him if Quentin didn't just die in battle, though I find it somewhat difficult to see what; it's not like the local Circle is any good at making people less crazy.

[R0vena]

Well, Merrill being Merrill, I could see her potentially persuading my Hawke if she had a good reason and something else to do with him if Quentin didn't just die in battle, though I find it somewhat difficult to see what; it's not like the local Circle is any good at making people less crazy.

Hmm, I have trouble thinking what reason even Merrill could have to ask Hawke to spare the person who just killed his/her mother. And even less reason for grief stricken Hawke to comply. I guess, theoretically it is possible, but still a bit unlikely.

[Xilizhra]

Hmm, I have trouble thinking what reason even Merrill could have to ask Hawke to spare the person who just killed his/her mother. And even less reason for grief stricken Hawke to comply. I guess, theoretically it is possible, but still a bit unlikely.

I'm not saying Merrill would for any reason I can think of, I'm just saying that my Hawke might be willing to listen, being highly diplomatic. I would also like to think that I wouldn't declare war on a city-state for it.

[Krothar]

I was wondering to myself yesterday if we'd still be in the position we are in now in Inq if Anders had died during the Joining. I mean, Anders is quite certain that events were leading up to this anyway, so his actions in Kirkwall were just helping things along, but I truly wonder if that is true.

 

If Anders had died in Awakening, there might not have been an explosion to kick things off, but do you think we'd still be trying to stop a war.

[R0vena]

Well, declaring war is still in the air, so to speak.)

 

I personally think it would be more in Sebastian style to hire somebody to slay Anders just as he hired Hawke to deal with his family murder (or may be even try to do it personally) than to declare the war, but right now all we can do is speculate. The one thing we know - Varric does not mention Sebastian declaring war on Kirkwall if Anders is spared - if it means anything.

[R0vena]

I was wondering to myself yesterday if we'd still be in the position we are in now in Inq if Anders had died during the Joining. I mean, Anders is quite certain that events were leading up to this anyway, so his actions in Kirkwall were just helping things along, but I truly wonder if that is true.

 

If Anders had died in Awakening, there might not have been an explosion to kick things off, but do you think we'd still be trying to stop a war.

Well, Anders definitely threw the first stone, but the events of Asunder would have had happened regardless, I think, and they were the main reason of mage-templar war, not Kirkwall explosion.

[Lulupab]

The Anger mages felt towards the Templars after Kirkwall certainly helped events of asunder though. More than "helped".

[R0vena]

The Anger mages felt towards the Templars after Kirkwall certainly helped events of asunder though. More than "helped".

oh, sure, and vice versa in Templar's case, I imagine.

But considering attempts on Divine's life made by mages on regular bases - the situation would probably escalate beyond anybody's control at some point eventually.

[Mimilette]

Yes, I think if it hadn't been Anders, it would have been someone else since he wasn't the only one who was after Elthina's life.

And Meredith still would have gone crazy no matter what, so the Annulment of the Kirkwall circle most likely would have happened anyway, starting the unrest in other circles.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I also think Sebastian's reaction was logical however he is willing to crush everything including his friendship/romance with Hawke if Anders is left alive. He joins Hawke when sided with mages without any trouble which is against chantry beliefs in the first place. I think its only natural that people condemn it.

Chantry beliefs have NOTHING to do with what happened at the Gallows.....

[LOLandStuff]

Well, maybe Sebastian needed to be...I don't know...have a spirit inside of him? That would've excused his actions and decisions.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Alright Lulu it's clear your extreme devotion to this character makes any actual discussion pointless.

 

Enjoy your terrorist, I'm sure he won't slaughter any more innocents unless Justice REALLY thinks it would be a good idea.

That's pretty rich and hypocritical coming from you.

 

You're just as devoted, if not more so, in your own way.

[Br3admax]

That's pretty rich and hypocritical coming from you.

 

You're just as devoted, if not more so, in your own way.

What way is he, might I ask? 

[Dark Helmet]

That's pretty rich and hypocritical coming from you.

 

You're just as devoted, if not more so, in your own way.

 

 

Aww I'm not devoted to anything! Well I don't like Anders but that hardly requires the faith of a fanatic.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Well, maybe Sebastian needed to be...I don't know...have a spirit inside of him? That would've excused his actions and decisions.

Yeah.. Then whenever he got pissy, he would have a perfectly viable excuse to go on rampant killing sprees.

[Dark Helmet]

Yeah.. Then whenever he got pissy, he would have a perfectly viable excuse to go on rampant killing sprees.

 

The DEMON made me do it!

 

Of course everyone would line up to defend him then, because mages are always the innocent party.

[Lulupab]

Chantry beliefs have NOTHING to do with what happened at the Gallows.....

 

I think nothing is not the right word. As a brother of chantry he is obligated to assist a right of annulment. Its up to him to do it or no however but this doesn't mean its not against the Chantry. Gaider confirmed that if Elthina was alive she was the person who could call the right of annulment, meaning the chanty is on top of chain of command.

 

Aww I'm not devoted to anything! Well I don't like Anders but that hardly requires the faith of a fanatic.

 

Your idea which translated into the only good Anders is a dead Anders is pretty extreme and "fanatical".

[Dark Helmet]

 

 

Your idea which translated into the only good Anders is a dead Anders is pretty extreme and "fanatical".

 

Nah a fanatic would go the full Meredith and support killing all mages everywhere.

 

Putting Anders down is a kindness to the man he used to be.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I think nothing is not the right word. As a brother of chantry he is obligated to assist a right of annulment. Its up to him to do it or no however but this doesn't mean its not against the Chantry. Gaider confirmed that if Elthina was alive she was the person who could call the right of annulment, meaning the chanty is on top of chain of command.

No he is not. ESPECIALLY when the annulment in the first place was questionable. If he was a Templar, THEN he would have been obligated to follow orders, but still NOTHING to do with religion.

 

In fact, as an Andrastian he is supposed to oppose any injustice. If he is convinced that the annulment is an injustice, then it is his obligation, by faith, to oppose it.

[LOLandStuff]

The DEMON made me do it!

 

Of course everyone would line up to defend him then, because mages are always the innocent party.

 

Not the demon, but the spirit. Actually no spirit since they're one now. Or maybe demon when he gets really angry...I don't know what but it's there and it's the one who gets the blame and makes you get away with it.

[Lulupab]

Nah a fanatic would go the full Meredith and support killing all mages everywhere.

 

Putting Anders down is a kindness to the man he used to be.

 

As long as you don't claim its the only decision that should be made like you did previously there is no problem with that opinion. Such claims are the extremity, not the opinions.

 

No he is not. ESPECIALLY when the annulment in the first place was questionable. If he was a Templar, THEN he would have been obligated to follow orders, but still NOTHING to do with religion.

 

In fact, as an Andrastian he is supposed to oppose any injustice. If he is convinced that the annulment is an injustice, then it is his obligation, by faith, to oppose it.

 

There is no point in arguing about this when devs have mentioned that they wanted to have a way where every companion agrees with your decision and there is a way indeed. My argument comes from the fact that Sebastian calls mages in Kirkwall malefcars when he threatens and leaves the city.

[LOLandStuff]

I think nothing is not the right word. As a brother of chantry he is obligated to assist a right of annulment. Its up to him to do it or no however but this doesn't mean its not against the Chantry. Gaider confirmed that if Elthina was alive she was the person who could call the right of annulment, meaning the chanty is on top of chain of command.

 

 

Well, Elthina is dead and Meredith is nuts. He's not obligated to follow crazies just because they're part of the Chantry.

[Br3admax]

As long as you don't claim its the only decision that should be made like you did previously there is no problem with that opinion. Such claims are the extremity, not the opinions.

You have no idea what extreme means, do you? Certainty and extremism aren't the same thing. 

[Dark Helmet]

Not the demon, but the spirit. Actually no spirit since they're one now. Or maybe demon when he gets really angry...I don't know what but it's there and it's the one who gets the blame and makes you get away with it.

 

 

Man fusing with that Spirit was brilliant. It's like a magical shield that makes it impossible for you to get in trouble!