Anders is a Grey Warden, he should've stayed with the Grey Wardens and not go on starting revolutions if we're using the same logic as with Sebastian and the Chantry,
Anders is like that guy who just can't hold a job for more than a few weeks and blames the system because he screws up.
Anders is a Grey Warden, he should've stayed with the Grey Wardens and not go on starting revolutions if we're using the same logic as with Sebastian and the Chantry,
Anders is like that guy who just can't hold a job for more than a few weeks and blames the system because he screws up.
And now I'm thinking of Anders as a frustrated barista angry at those evil templars for rejecting his brilliant screenplay.
This thread is about Anders in Inquisition. If you hate Anders, have already stated so, have no plan to see him in Inquisition and still come back every day or so to state how much you plan on not seeing him, you're as dedicated as the people who come back to say they love him. I guess Anders did make a great impression after all.
And trying to repeatedly ridicule people who might choose different things in their game that have no consequence whatsoever in your own game make you look like trolls.
I love debate and especially with people I don't necessarily agree with, but if the majority of your posts here are one line sarcasms, clearly you're not here to discuss.
Why would anyone want to waste time talking about stuff they don't like rather than stuff they do, I'll never know.
This thread is about Anders in Inquisition. If you hate Anders, have already stated so, have no plan to see him in Inquisition and still come back every day or so to state how much you plan on not seeing him, you're as dedicated as the people who come back to say they love him. I guess Anders did make a great impression after all.
And trying to repeatedly ridicule people who might choose different things in their game that have no consequence whatsoever in your own game make you look like trolls.
I love debate and especially with people I don't necessarily agree with, but if the majority of your posts here are one line sarcasms, clearly you're not here to discuss.
Why would anyone want to waste time talking about stuff they don't like rather than stuff they do, I'll never know.
But I'd love to see Vengeance in Inquisition. Either as a free agent out to show the world what it can do or still in its mage host looking to right wrongs and causing trouble all the way.
I still always put Anders down but I never get along with Morrigan either and I'm positively giddy to see what crazy antics she's gotten up to.
I've mastered the complicated ancient art of despising a character while at the same time actually almost looking forward to what Makerawful things it will do next.
For me, Anders is a terrorist. He killed innocent people in a Chantry as an attempt
to achieve independence of all mages. Given Hawke was the Champion at that point
it may have even been possible for Hawke to negotiate independence for the Kirkwall
Circle given his/her political position. He should have at least consulted Hawke first
to endeavour with talks before going ahead with such extreme methods to secure complete autonomy.
Ander's is alive and in love with my female Hawke in my Dragon Age World not because I
like him, hell I resent his actions but simply to make the story all the more interesting.
Especially given my Inquisitor will be a Templar/Chantry loyalist who much like Cassandra, does
not particularly like mages. 
That said, it may be a superficial decision if you kept him alive or not given Justice/Vengeance
is alive regardless of you're actions in DA2. It may just be the same cut scene or role (if any)
but with Anders or another person that Justice/Vengeance has taken control of if Anders is dead.
Potentially similar to whether or not you kept the Council alive in Mass Effect 1, the impact on the plot is
negligible.
Hawke would not be able to get independence for mages considering a mage warden can ask for the fereldan circle to be made independent for stopping THE blight. Alistair goes yeah sure he goes to kirkwall in DA2. Chantry pretty much goes: lol nope and Meredith is like how dare you ask such a thing! etc etc.
So yeah... considering the lengths some people go to prevent changes at this point violence was coming sooner or later.
While I disagree with you on Sebastian, I liked his character arc and personality and My Hawke romanced him though I can see why he might be a turn off to others. I do want to at least hear about what happened to each companion/Love Interest
Oh I'm not saying Sebastian was bad character. Not at all. I mean, I hated him. Which means he was a good character to have in game. Any character that brings out hatred or love is perfect.
But man, there were times that my Hawke would've paid good coin to stab Sebastian in the face.
And that's one thing I'm excited about - which characters in DA:! am I'm gonna hate.
Reminds me of ME3 - man there were times I wanted to b*tch slap Liara.
Sure. Everybody has a perfect right not to like somebody. If you don't like Sebastian - you don't like Sebastian, no problem.)
I am just puzzled why a lot of people seem to condemn Sebastian because of his reaction to Elthina's death, which seemed perfectly logical to me.
Oh I'm not condemning Sebastian cause of his reaction to Anders blowing the Chantry up. Actually that part I actually like d about him. i was like "about time he grew a pair".
I just didn't like him. His looks; his armor - reminded me of a Cirque de Soleil performer. I half expected Sebastian to break out into a string dance in front of my Hawke and the Grand Cleric.
Ok yeah, I hated him. Which is exactly why he was a good character. And yes, I'd like to see some lore explaining what happened to him. Did he get his estates and lands back? His title?
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She was lying the entire time
So was Anders. And actually, Tallis owns up to what her mission really is eventually. Anders never tells you what his plan really is.
So was Anders. And actually, Tallis owns up to what her mission really is eventually. Anders never tells you what his plan really is.
His reason is not just manipulation, he doesn't want Hawke to stop him but he doesn't want Hawke to help him either. Because of this lie Hawke is not linked to chantry incident. Neither Orsino and mages nor Meredith and Templars even hint at Hawke having slightest responsibility in regards to the explosion. Which means the lie actually served its purpose.
If friend you can choose the star dialogue and he admits he has done something incriminating and doesn't want to involve Hawke in it but yes he doesn't reveal what this incriminating thing is.
At the crate scene he also mentions this:
Tallis didn't even have a mission to begin with and took Hawke for a ride because she was inept.
Hawke would not be able to get independence for mages considering a mage warden can ask for the fereldan circle to be made independent for stopping THE blight. Alistair goes yeah sure he goes to kirkwall in DA2. Chantry pretty much goes: lol nope and Meredith is like how dare you ask such a thing! etc etc.
So yeah... considering the lengths some people go to prevent changes at this point violence was coming sooner or later.
Maybe they wouldn't be able to gain independence but crucially was no attempt to negotiate, that's my only point. Given also that the viscount was eliminated, Hawke had much more authority in Kirkwall to the point where he/she decided who controlled the free state. Anders didn't consider negotiation as an option at any point. His only interest was blowing up the Chantry regardless of the consequences.
There is always another way, it may not be the quickest and most efficient way. It would probably have saved many more innocent lives if that slow, tactful and pragmatic approach had been implemented instead.
Oh I'm not condemning Sebastian cause of his reaction to Anders blowing the Chantry up. Actually that part I actually like d about him. i was like "about time he grew a pair".
I just didn't like him. His looks; his armor - reminded me of a Cirque de Soleil performer. I half expected Sebastian to break out into a string dance in front of my Hawke and the Grand Cleric.
Fair enough, I guess misunderstood you since a lot of people bring Sebastian's reaction to Elthina's death as their main reason of disliking him. My apologies.
His reason is not just manipulation, he doesn't want Hawke to stop him but he doesn't want Hawke to help him either. Because of this lie Hawke is not linked to chantry incident. Neither Orsino and mages nor Meredith and Templars even hint at Hawke having slightest responsibility in regards to the explosion. Which means the lie actually served its purpose.
Actually, it looks like Hawke got blamed regardless, just on the bigger scale. After all, Cassandra obviously thought Hawke the main reason of all things.
Actually, it looks like Hawke got blamed regardless, just on the bigger scale. After all, Cassandra obviously thought Hawke the main reason of all things.
But that's a false rumor corrected by Varric, right? Surely we can't hold Anders responsible for foolish peasant gossip. The people who witnessed it did not blame Hawke, I think that is enough, no?
But that's a false rumor corrected by Varric, right? Surely we can't hold Anders responsible for foolish peasant gossip. The people who witnessed it did not blame Hawke, I think that is enough, no?
Oh, I don't blame Anders for that.
But Anders and Hawke were close enough for Hawke to be blamed regardless of Anders' intentions. I think Meredith mostly doesn't blame Hawke on the spot because she wants his/her help in the moment, not because anything Anders says or does. I think the fact she turns on Hawke the moment the mages (if sided with templars) are defeated kind of proves it.
Anders might have had the best intentions of keeping friend Hawke in the dark, but the way I see it, knowing Meredith's growing paranoia, it is not that hard to calculate Hawke will take the blame anyway (and s/he does).
That said, it may be a superficial decision if you kept him alive or not given Justice/Vengeance
is alive regardless of you're actions in DA2. It may just be the same cut scene or role (if any)
but with Anders or another person that Justice/Vengeance has taken control of if Anders is dead.
Potentially similar to whether or not you kept the Council alive in Mass Effect 1, the impact on the plot is
negligible.
You're probably right. I was a little surprised the default worldstate has Anders alive, but maybe it's logical that they would make a default worldstate where as many people as possible live so contents aren't cut out for players who use it. It certainly doesn't mean that Anders will necessarily make an appearance.
I was wondering why Vengeance would need a new body even if Anders is killed since he can just use his dead body, but then I realized it would be rotting like Kristoff and he would need to change. I could see that the only difference having Anders alive rather than dead would be Vengeance's appearance.
You're probably right. I was a little surprised the default worldstate has Anders alive, but maybe it's logical that they would make a default worldstate where as many people as possible live so contents aren't cut out for players who use it. It certainly doesn't mean that Anders will necessarily make an appearance.
I was wondering why Vengeance would need a new body even if Anders is killed since he can just use his dead body, but then I realized it would be rotting like Kristoff and he would need to change. I could see that the only difference having Anders alive rather than dead would be Vengeance's appearance.
I am almost certain that Vengeance will make an appearance of some sort regardless in Inquisition given what David Gaider mentioned. He said that although Anders was ultimately dead if you killed him in DA2. 'Vengeance however, may be another story'. Thinking about, it is plausible that Vengeance is a outside candidate for precipitating the explosion at the peace conclave assuming that Elder One was not involved. He already partially started the war at least or was near completely responsible for conflict at most due to his actions in Kirkwall.
But I digress and concur with you. It would make productive sense from Bioware and EA's view to include as much content as possible so they have maximised their three year endeavour developing the game. Here's to hoping that past decisions matter in Dragon Age Inquisition.
I am almost certain that Vengeance will make an appearance of some sort regardless in Inquisition given what David Gaider mentioned. He said that although Anders was ultimately dead if you killed him in DA2. 'Vengeance however, may be another story'. Thinking about, it is plausible that Vengeance is a outside candidate for precipitating the explosion at the peace conclave assuming that Elder One was not involved. He already partially started the war at least or was near completely responsible for conflict at most due to his actions in Kirkwall.
But I digress and concur with you. It would make productive sense from Bioware and EA's view to include as much content as possible so they have maximised their three year endeavour developing the game. Here's to hoping that past decisions matter in Dragon Age Inquisition.
"Making it matter" does not really mean vengeance should take over regardless, it would matter if spared Anders can have redeeming qualities where as a dead Anders unleashes vengeance upon the world. That would be a mattering decision.
"Making it matter" does not really mean vengeance should take over regardless, it would matter if spared Anders can have redeeming qualities where as a dead Anders unleashes vengeance upon the world. That would be a mattering decision.
That isn't what I want for Inquisition. I'd much rather have imported decisions with significantly different outcomes similar to the example you put forward. Nevertheless, I don't have particularly high hopes that will be the case. Bioware's track record of producing decisions that 'matter' in their franchises such as Mass Effect or Dragon Age are seldom present (especially in Dragon Age 2). I'll be delighted if I'm proved wrong.
the PC probably kill more characters than Anders put together. This is just silly argument. The players has killed templars, thieves, mages, Qunaris, blah blah blah... many of these people are only trying to survive in a harsh world yet we kill them all the same. u may say it is for self-defense but they are everywhere. who is to say that the "hundreds of people" Anders killed are not these people as well.
It was in fact out of self defense that I killed these people. When they became aware of my presence they attacked me, not I them. If there was an option to clear the streets without bloodshed I would have chosen it but the game did not give me those options. Anders chose to murder the Grand Cleric whereas death was an unfortunate consequence in my encounters. So your comment trivializing my thought process in my role-play is unnecessary at best.
Not sure if I should name names, but I heard from an person that gained early acess say that Anders does show up in Inquisition. I didn't got any context, but that person said just about what I expected. If you spare Anders, he shows up in Inquisition, and if you execute him, his body possessed by Justice will show up instead.
I always take that kind of information by a friend who knows a friend with a grain of salt, but if it's true, I'll be very happy.
I wonder if having romanced him or not will matter. I sure hope Hawke will have something to say about him.
I always take that kind of information by a friend who knows a friend with a grain of salt, but if it's true, I'll be very happy.
I wonder if having romanced him or not will matter. I sure hope Hawke will have something to say about him.
I'm not allowing myself to get my worked up about it for the same reason, but I hope it's true. Preferably when Hawke is around. I need more Male Hawke/Anders.
Not sure if I should name names, but I heard from an person that gained early acess say that Anders does show up in Inquisition. I didn't got any context, but that person said just about what I expected. If you spare Anders, he shows up in Inquisition, and if you execute him, his body possessed by Justice will show up instead.
Maybe we will get to make a deal with Justice/Vengeance and let it inhabit the Inquisitor's body.
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