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[R0vena]

 

I think you're probably right that more people died than the half-dozen we see in the Chantry, but I don't know if it's the "hundreds" that Vivienne claimed in the recent twitch video. I'd say that that figure probably only came about after the city erupted into anarchy, looting, rioting and unchecked fires?

I imagine anarchy afterwards added much more to the number, yes. I don't watch videos to avoid spoilers, I have no idea about what Vivienne said. 

But it is not the point. The point is it is a bit of overstatement claiming that with the explosion that grand the only victims were few templars and sisters we see in the video.

[frylock23]

The way I see it, Anders was a coward.

 

Elthina was the one who would have broken the stalemate between Meredith and Orsino one way or the other. Consider things from her point of view. One the one hand, she has Meredith who represents the military might of the Chantry currently in Kirkwall, and on the other, she has mages who are in the keeping of the Chantry through the Circle. She has to know that conditions for the mages are horrible, but she does nothing about it why?

 

Well, what if she knew that Meredith was losing it? And what if she knew that Orsino was not as clean as he made out to be and that Kirkwall did have a problem with blood mages in its ranks. How do you choose between those options? Any choice comes with some bad implications, and if you side against Meredith, she might snap and turn on you with her army and annul the mages anyway. So, Elthina waits and hopes that something will help her decide or change circumstances or that she can stand between the mages and Templars in the meantime.

 

But Anders can't take the chance that Elthina will take a side, and worse that she will side against mages. So he acts pre-emptively before anyone really knows what Elthina might have done. He's a coward and takes the easiest and most drastic way to force the choice he wants to impose on everyone else.

[HiroVoid]

I wouldn't say Anders was a coward, but he was dumb.  There were ways to rebel against the Chantry that didn't involve blowing up the religious center of most of the population of Thedas.  Rebelling by starting an act that shows how dangerous mages are and justifies the population's fear of mages isn't the best way to start.

[herkles]

I imagine anarchy afterwards added much more to the number, yes. I don't watch videos to avoid spoilers, I have no idea about what Vivienne said. 

But it is not the point. The point is it is a bit of overstatement claiming that with the explosion that grand the only victims were few templars and sisters we see in the video.

 

Agreed. keep in mind that right after that happens as you venture through lowtown it is in chaos. Templars and mages fighting one another, with a blood mage and abominations adding to the chaos. We do not even see what sort of damage Hightown is in due to the explosion. The fact though remains one terrorist killed lots of innocent lives because he could not stand the idea of compromise. 

[VulpineSneak]

Please No Anders, 

Dont want to kill him again. 

Damn it Anders, All you wanted was a harem, a feast, and the right to shoot lightning at fools!

[sandalisthemaker]

Vivienne needs to give him a verbal beatdown.

[trying_touch]

It's "not [Anders's] fault"?! 

 

He exploded that place of worship, no one forced him to do it...

 

Either way, I want to see him again... maybe he's the Elder One if you killed him.

[Queen Rowan]

I would love to see Anders again! Depending on how you left him at the end of DA2, I could see him being in a similar situation as drunken Alistair after the decision to keep Loghain in DA:O.

[GodBrandon]

I hope he does come back so I can kill him again

[guntar74]

I do find it fun to spare him, and then make him fight alongside my mage hawke with the templars. I always figure on that run he can help fix some of the mess, then I'll let the templars pass judgment.

So If he shows up again fine, if not also fine. I think it'd be interesting if he could show up either free of justices influence if friend pathed, fully controlled by justice if rivaled, or tranquil if indifferent.

[Chernaya]

It's true that what Anders did wouldn't have been something that happened without Justice, but Justice was/is ignorant because he's a spirit of Justice, he was literally incapable of seeing things in more than a one dimensional view because of that, so it's not something he could've really changed. Justice should have never stayed in the real world, because the way things work in it is obviously completely different than the fade and he was trying to apply his logic there anyway. If anything, Anders was 'stupid' (not for blowing up the chantry, because this was not completely Anders as we knew him anymore) but for making the mistake of letting Justice in as a host, that was the one action which completely screwed up his life. The way a spirit thinks just can not work in a world outside the fade.

[dangeraaron]

Let's just say at the first opportunity to kill Anders, I took it.  And Fenris, and turning in Isabella.  I didn't really care for Carver either, and Merrill could just go get lost in an alley somewhere for all I cared, there's a **** load of them in Kirkwall anyway.  Basically I despised most of DA2's party member roster (as well as the rest of the game), with every inch of my soul, especially Anders.  Only Aveline (as my meatshield) and Varric (the character I actually liked) were my mainstays with Hawke being a mage.  

 

I miss Origins...  

 

Of the only returning DA2 party member (not counting Cass as she wasn't a party member), I am happy to see it was Varric.  Easily the best part about DA2 for me.  

[dewayne31]

i like to think my hawkes on the way out went back burn his corpse....he should left kirkwall when i told him too.

[Star fury]

Was he compared to Martin Luther and Mahatma Ganghi yet?

[-TC1989-]

It's "not [Anders's] fault"?! 

 

He exploded that place of worship, no one forced him to do it...

 

Either way, I want to see him again... maybe he's the Elder One if you killed him.

 

Dont you know? He's innocent of any wrong doing. Killing all those people was completely justified. Or wait.... yeah that's how I heard it on here.

 

Joking aside, if he was the Elder One... I'd feel like that was more fan service than anything. I don't see any real creative depth if that were true. Then again... you're saying I can kill him again?? Ugh... wow.... really torn here... 

[Razored1313]

In my canon playthrough, my hawke romanced Anders but killed him in the end, both as a punishment for what he did, for mercy as he clearly wanted to die, and out of selfishness for not wanting to see the man she loved change further from who he once was. I'm worried the anders we might meet in the future is even more of a shell then he was in act 3, hell maybe it's just vengeance now. At least he died with a little humanity intact, and maybe even justice is free. Kinda hope my hawke is like a romanced Alistair who seems to still be mourning the death of the warden.

[dangeraaron]

But Santa Claus already has a 9th reindeer, clearly your intent is much more nefarious...

 

Come to think of it being strapped to a sleigh with eight flying flutter kicking reindeer while being simultaneously whipped by a fat white guy in a red coat with bells and leather strapped to you is pretty damn nefarious if you ask me.  

 

Really though, I don't really care for Anders much either but let's not extend it out to their VA's, even if you we are just joking.

[Lulupab]

just sayin, only way to make sure he never returns is to make it so his VA cant voice him again....

Gaider confirmed that if you kill him he won't return and this was probably the first confirmation we got about inquisition. He said Justice might be another story and Justice's VA is in DA:I. Anders' VA is still unknown.

[Chernaya]

Gaider confirmed that if you kill him he won't return and this was probably the first confirmation we got about inquisition. He said Justice might be another story and Justice's VA is in DA:I. Anders' VA is still unknown.

 

Hints like this are why I've said in the past I'd rather him not return at all, than return and it be something completely tragic. :s

[Wolfen09]

But Santa Claus already has a 9th reindeer, clearly your intent is much more nefarious...

 

Come to think of it being strapped to a sleigh with eight flying flutter kicking reindeer while being simultaneously whipped by a fat white guy in a red coat with bells and leather strapped to you is pretty damn nefarious if you ask me.  

 

Really though, I don't really care for Anders much either but let's not extend it out to their VA's, even if you we are just joking.

 

sigh oversensitivity.... so depressing think ima go cry in the corner cause my feelings got hurt.... like hell i would do that, used to be back in the day we laughed at death threats.... i even tiptoed around it for the squeamish....

[lupin8314]

Gaider confirmed that if you kill him he won't return and this was probably the first confirmation we got about inquisition. He said Justice might be another story and Justice's VA is in DA:I. Anders' VA is still unknown.

 

actually, I always wonder about that. it does not really fit into the lore. I mean why would Justice not want to save Anders and allowed him to die after 7 years in him?

[Lulupab]

actually, I always wonder about that. it does not really fit into the lore. I mean why would Justice not want to save Anders and allowed him to die after 7 years in him?

 

Another plot hole in DA2, are you surprised? Some speculate they both didn't discriminate when it came to Justice and they thought Justice is required of them what they did and they either redeem themselves by helping Kirkwall or dying.

[Wolfen09]

you know, they say when a commander and whats left of his troops are surrounded, he should surrender.... yeah, im going the gundam wing route and hitting the self destruct button and blowing everything up.... have fun with the pieces