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[Janus198]

Justice's voice actor is in DA:I and given that he strictly and solely voiced Justice in both Awakening and DA2, I seriously doubt its anyone else other than Justice.
 

Really?    Where can i find this info that Adam Leadbeater is back?

[SpiritMuse]

I wonder if the difference is that you encounter Justice either in Anders' body, or as his old spirity self, giving you different possibilities as to how to deal with him.

[sylvanaerie]

The only reason I would spare him is to kill him in Inquisition.

 

I hated him so much, my only regret is that you can just stab him.  While that worked for those of my Hawke's who were 'mercy killing' him, I wish there had been an option to kick him in the groin and punch him before lopping off his head if you RPed that your Hawke truly hated him.

 

*Edit* My warrior, Gawain relished kicking his ass in Legacy and wondered wtf the templars were doing when they took Bethany, a mild mannered person, into custody vs this dangerous abomination.

[Eudaemonium]

As much as I'd like to see Anders back, I'm happy with him not being. His role is more-or-less done. He did what he had to do and his role within the narrative has mostly served its purpose. He isn't a leader, really, and thus I don't see him playing a major role in the mage rebellion now it's underway.

[sim-ran]

While personally I would never support his decision, as a narrative device it was a pretty incredible moment

 

Good god yes! I really didn't think much of DA2 but that twist was a standout moment and it totally blew me away! (pardon the pun)

 

And yes I was one of the "dummies" that didn't see it coming...

[Lord of Mortlan]

For curiosity's sake, would you be okay if Anders played a substantive role that could easily be replaced by Nanders the eerily similar possessed apostate on playthroughs where he didn't survive Kirkwall?

 

Really not trying to instigate anything here, just curious if this is something Anders fans would feel is satisfying enough.

Wreav was very different from Wrex, and he is not near as awesome. So people who killed Anders, will just be punished with Nanders (I hate that guy already).

[riverbanks]

Wreav was very different from Wrex, and he is not near as awesome. So people who killed Anders, will just be punished with Nanders (I hate that guy already).

 

I mean, "punished" is a matter of point of view. I consider the simple fact of not having to deal with Anders anymore a blessing from the seven heavens above and the seven hells below. Keeping this guy out of my game is no punishment for me - and I say this as someone who actually likes  Anders as a character in general, just doesn't wanna deal with his revolving door of drama anymore.

 

As far as I see it, bring on Nanders, Banders, Danders, if that's my... punishment. I'll take any random rebellious abomination I can quickly dispatch at the end of my murderknife and move on with my day (and more important tasks like saving the world) over the ghost of that one guy I can never ever be rid of, for he continues to haunt my heroes foreeeeeever.

[StrangeStrategy]

I'm sensing a lot of hatred for Anders. 

I didn't mind him at all. He may have gone a little overboard,

but it did stir up Thedas into a movement. People were forced to make

decisions, because of what he did. 

I hope he's in Inquisition. 
I kept him alive in mine for various reasons.

 

Yes, but most of those decisions were "Lets create chaos and kill everything!!"

Anders was a terrorist and started a world war. The ONLY reason I'd keep him alive for Inquisition would be so that I could kill him in a more satisfying way rather than one of the lamest murder-knifed scenes ever.

 

And I friendship romanced him 90% of my playthroughs too...

[Lord of Mortlan]

I mean, "punished" is a matter of point of view. I consider the simple fact of not having to deal with Anders anymore a blessing from the seven heavens above and the seven hells below. Keeping this guy out of my game is no punishment for me - and I say this as someone who actually likes  Anders as a character in general, just doesn't wanna deal with his revolving door of drama anymore.

 

As far as I see it, bring on Nanders, Banders, Danders, if that's my... punishment. I'll take any random rebellious abomination I can quickly dispatch at the end of my murderknife and move on with my day (and more important tasks like saving the world) over the ghost of that one guy I can never ever be rid of, for he continues to haunt my heroes foreeeeeever.

I see your point, but whether or not you liked Anders, you have to admit, that he was interesting. Do you realy think that Nanders is going to be that? I played ME2 before ME1, and I hated Wreav. He was just so annoying, and I wanted to be rid of him. So if there is going to be a mission in which, you were suposed to work with Anders, I think the mission will be boring with Nanders. I dont if that is gonna happen, but if its the case, then I dont even know if I want to do the mission with Nanders (I got a both save in which Anders dies, and one where he dosnt, so I will have to try both). I know its just one mission, but the mission might be realy boring without Anders.

[herkles]

I like anders, I find his story interesting. While I may not agree with his viewpoints, I did like him as a character.

 

My only complaint is that he died in the most pathetic stabbing ever. 

[riverbanks]

I see your point, but whether or not you liked Anders, you have to admit, that he was interesting.

 

I just did, in that post. I do find Anders interesting, I do like him as a character, I do find him important within the scope of the two games in which he appeared. I also think he's starting to outstay his welcome, and skirting dangerously close to Fiona/Tallis territory, eg. becoming more important than the actual protagonists of the stories he's supposed to be a supporting character of.

 

Do you realy think that Nanders is going to be that?

 

No, but that was my point. I don't care anymore. I don't care about Anders anymore, I don't want to deal with him or his substitute, I don't care about this entire mage/templar subplot, I don't want to deal with this beyond the barely absolutely necessary to wrap this story arc and move on to more interesting conflicts. That's why I said "I'll take any random rebellious abomination I can quickly dispatch at the end of my murderknife and move on with my day" - because I don't care if Nanders is interesting or not, or if his quest is boring or not, I will not be working with such a character. I'll get rid of him as swiftly as I can, be that killing this character or turning him to the nearest Templars or just sending him away, and move on. If he's a poor substitute or not, that's fine, I don't feel punished for getting him in lieu of Anders because I don't care about either of them. That was the "point of view" thing.

 

I do get your perspective, though, don't get me wrong - for someone who actually cares about this conflict, getting Nanders in lieu of Anders might be a disappointment, given what a derp of a substitute Wreav was to Wrex. But to that... what can I say? Keep Anders alive, then, and you get the more quality of the two options. It's very easy to do that in the Keep, just switch a tile around and he stays alive to come haunt you again (and again and again) for as long as you wish. You might feel railroaded into making a decision you didn't want to make, but at least this time the perceived punishment can be avoided without going aaaaaaall the way back to two games ago to change a single variable. Hurray for the Keep.

[Allan Schumacher]

Death threats, even in jest, are not acceptable.

[GreyVsGray]

I've said this before and I'll say it all again in short list format:

He's the universally least liked member. A bloos mage and the cause of the Qunari invasion are more liked in universe than he is.

He is condescending and insulting to everyone. He guilts people, disrespects others opinions when they're even slightly different from his.

He complains about the Templars and Mage oppression by their hand over and over again for the better part of a decade. Yet, when given access between blowing up the Templar barracks filled with Templars or the Chantry filled with... Non-threats, he picks the second. Doing either would've had about the same effect and for what he was going for, the same result. He tries acting like his decision was such an intelligent one but it wasn't. That was what an immature idiot does when they can't get their way.

He'll judge you for dating anybody else, shames isabela for having lots of sex(as if that's an insult???), Merrill for actually being a little more intelligent dealing with spirits, and Fenris because... Well, parallel spirits.

Lastly, he is way too dramatic. WAAAY too dramatic. He reminds me of a bad self-insert into Evangelion than a dragon age character.

So yes. In my canon run, Maria Hawke gutted him like a fish for being a problematic idiot.

[GreyVsGray]

Wait, Fiona in The Calling or Fiona in Asunder? Because I found Rhys way more interesting than anybody else besides Cole and Lambert in that book.

[Apostate.]

Question: Does the legacy DLC happen before Anders does his thing? or after? Can that DLC be played at any point within DA:2's main plot?

Meaning Anders could have potentially be taken as a companion witnessed the events of Legacy and then still done his thing?

Cause if so...kinda...telling..

[Urazz]

I could care less about Anders. Even if I didn't kill him in a playthrough, I expected him to get hunted down and killed eventually.

[ummiehummie]

Once, I saw this on Youtube. And I totally agree:

[Kirasdream13]

Once, I saw this on Youtube. And I totally agree:

 

While my views on Anders are not exactly the best (as someone who romanced him then broke up with him at the end; needed a Sprit Healer or he would've been dead), I felt so awful about Justice.  I loved his character in Awakening and he becomes this?  Love him or hate him, a potential appearance of Anders/Justice in Inquisition would be very fascinating IMO.

 

BTW, what language is that?  Dutch?

[Lilaeth]

Question: Does the legacy DLC happen before Anders does his thing? or after? Can that DLC be played at any point within DA:2's main plot?

Meaning Anders could have potentially be taken as a companion witnessed the events of Legacy and then still done his thing?

Cause if so...kinda...telling..

 

I've just played Legacy, about halfway through act 2 of DA2.  And yes, I took Anders along.

[riverbanks]

Wait, Fiona in The Calling or Fiona in Asunder? Because I found Rhys way more interesting than anybody else besides Cole and Lambert in that book.

 

I don't know who you're responding to, but if it was to me, note that important =/= interesting. Evangeline is a million times more interesting than any other character in the entire book, but she clearly isn't the most important (in terms of relevance to the world at large).

 

Question: Does the legacy DLC happen before Anders does his thing? or after? Can that DLC be played at any point within DA:2's main plot?

Meaning Anders could have potentially be taken as a companion witnessed the events of Legacy and then still done his thing?

Cause if so...kinda...telling..

 

Both Legacy and MoTA can be played at any point during or after the campaign, as a gameplay mechanic that allows people to play them without restarting the whole game, but they happen during Hawke's years in Kirkwall. There are a number of references to events in both of them that only make sense during the game's timeline, before the destruction of the Chantry.

 

So yeah, if you take him along in Legacy, Anders sees what he sees and still does the thing. That's one of the many reasons why Legacy plays best in Act 3, even though it can be played in Acts 1 or 2 - because at that point Anders is losing it off the rockers anyway (either to his own hubris or to Justice's assimilation, depending on whether you're taking him through the Friend or Rival paths), and not even Corypheus' existence could have convinced him to act otherwise.

[Apostate.]

I've just played Legacy, about halfway through act 2 of DA2.  And yes, I took Anders along.

So then I feel Anders is compromised. He's either too disillusioned and desides to give in Justice...or Justice had basically overidden him from the start.

He might have felt trapped inside he own body...just like

   Private Jenkins In Halo To The FLOOD

 

 

and not even Corypheus' existence could have convinced him to act otherwise.

Wow? Really...then yeah Anders is a cautionary tale for letting a Spirit in, while Wynne made out eh pretty good I guess.

[Al Foley]

Given how important he was to the plot in DA 2 and everything else he did I am really hoping for at least a cameo.  Would be intersting if both Anders and Hawke show up at the same time, but that I doubt.  It will also be interesting if Cassandra is in the party when we meet him.  I just want to see him again and see how he is doing with justice, and maybe even cure him of it.

[Han Shot First]

People choose death as a 'punishment' way too easily. When my Hawke does not romance Anders I allow him to live with what he's done and most likely he'll spend his life regretting all the mage deaths he's caused for his part in the inevitable Mage/Templar war as well as on the run from both parties alike. Death is not a punishment, at least to him in my eyes. Especially when you give the guy basically what he wants.

My canon play male Hawke agrees with his actions and allows him to live anyway, so I hope when Hawke shows up Anders will be right beside him.

 

That assumes that Anders can control Justice, and it was proven throughout the game that he cannot. Over the course of the seven years (?) that DA2 spanned, Anders condition progressively worsened and he was more consumed by the influence of Justice. Anders even says so himself.

 

By the end of DA2 it seems impossible to allow Anders to live and not have a trail of bodies left in his wake. Anders isn't exactly an abomination, but he is something similar to it. Like a rabid dog, he needs to be put down.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Here's how Anders will appear in DAI if alive: 

 

And here's how Anders will appear in DAI if dead: