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What I often find with character creators is that it's very easy to create ugly women (just do stupid things with the sliders), and it's reasonably easy to create "supermodels" as the OP puts it. It's the inbetween that is much more difficult. To create women that look...realistic. Not ugly, but not notably attractive. The ones with some flaws, but not to the extent of the "look at how greusome I can make her" pics that have cropped up a couple of times in this thread.

Problem with all character creators that have sliders is that having them do not necessary increase the amount of options. All healthy humans still have rather similar sculls with same facial muscles and therefore positions and proportions of head features must be within certain limits, or you will get uncanny valley. Creating something genuinelly unatractive but good looking is harder than something that looks beautiful because we have conditioned beauty standards by biology and culture.

 

As for the OP, there are two separate issues here. a) Body shape of the characters is too perfect and there is not enough variety between the body models. Would be a bit stupid if its like DA2 where almost all females including your mother had the same busty body. B) Faces in DA:I at least for me do not look beautiful as they all give off the doll/wax figure vibe, with the skin tone and stiff facial animations.


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Problem with all character creators that have sliders is that having them do not necessary increase the amount of options. All healthy humans still have rather similar sculls with same facial muscles and therefore positions and proportions of head features must be within certain limits, or you will get uncanny valley. Creating something genuinelly unatractive but good looking is harder than something that looks beautiful because we have conditioned beauty standards by biology and culture.

 

As for the OP, there are two separate issues here. a) Body shape of the characters is too perfect and there is not enough variety between the body models. Would be a bit stupid if its like DA2 where almost all females including your mother had the same busty body. B) Faces in DA:I at least for me do not look beautiful as they all give off the doll/wax figure vibe, with the skin tone and stiff facial animations.

 

Yeah, that has been a problem with me, especially with Mass Effect. All men and woman have the same body types. There isn't any variance of skinny, fat, muscular etc. Everyone just has.....the same body type. Now I understand the technical aspects of it as it would be harder for developers to do and take much time. But I do hope that we can get to the point in character creators to where we can also customize the height and weight of our characters like we can do in sports/wrestling videogames.



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I want to be as cool as possible. And with a lot of beard, a lot of beard...



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Fraser from Video Games Awesome tends to make hideous characters when he has the option.

This is his Dragon Age playthrough:

 



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I posted in this thread earlier, and now all I can think about now that I'm back is:
 
https://www.youtube....-DHVi3hewU#t=24

 

Edit: Also, I have no idea how to embed videos on this forum.



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Rarely have I seen any female Shepards (including many female Hawkes and Wardens) that looked like average women. Attractive, but not like Maxim cover attractive or anything to that nature. It seems like when you allow people to create their female characters, men normally create someone who is overly sexualized while women while a bit tame, still go for extravagance in a way.


Wait a second. Are we sure this isn't just selection bias? People show off the avatars they've made if they're proud of them; it's not all that surprising that average-looking avatars wouldn't often make that cut.

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I agree with those who wonder why the OP cares what others do with their own player character.  Make him or her look however you choose.  Personally I prefer a character with more natural looks.  i.e. more natural looking skin in particular.  In Skyrim there was a mod that added natural looking skin.  I have found that in most character creators the skin looks a bit plastic, so I'm looking forward to this new one in DA-I.  If you want a super beautiful looking female or a beef-cakey guy, why not.  It is a fantasy RPG game.   Go for it.  If you want to play as a warty nosed harridan with a hairy mole, that's cool too.  The whole idea is to play the game to suit your idea of what your character is meant to be.  I tried several times to make a reasonable looking orc character in Skyrim, but never succeeded to my satisfaction.  I could not get the nose right.  I may try a Qanari in DA-I though.  Haven't decided yet.  Most of my male and female characters were fairly good looking because that was how I liked them.  But I have always wanted to attempt a sort of witchy looking character, and still may do it, although she still may not look too bad... ;) 


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I think its a global issue for most games (and movies/tv/etc) Women, even when they are supposed to be without any makeup, still have makeup on. Eye shadow, concealer, whatever else they use to make their skin all lovely and eyes shine like jewels. As a society we've gotten used to thinking of a woman with modest, unobtrusive makeup as being an accurate depiction of what a typical woman with none looks like, and those that really have none on are odd looking, not representative of reality. We've been tricked by media into thinking that gorgeous girl on the commercial is what every girl should look like when they wake up in the morning. Its an illusion. People on tv and in movies are always wearing makeup, even men, to make them look nice even when in roles where they are supposed not to, just with enough moderation to not make it overly obvious and distracting. The "ugly nerd girl" is still beautiful, they just give her glasses. Games have come to reflect that and do the same thing. Women especially. Very rare do you see one without at least a bit of eye liner on them. All the women I've seen in DAI have that. Of course its also been an issue for games that showing all the little details in skin hasn't been possible until recently, blackheads and flaky skin and all that ****, so a uniform, makeup caked looking skin has just been as much a technical limitation as it has been an artistic intention. But as we're getting into an age when we can show that level of detail, we seem to not really want to. People want to look nice, artists want their art to look nice, business people want their products to be attractive, so we keep making everyone, especially women, exceptionally beautiful, even the "relatively" ugly ones.

I've think I've probably completely missed the point of this thread and gone off on a tangent, but whatever, I wanted to say that.


I'm glad you did because I couldn't have said it better, myself.

People are held to fairly high standards overall. Women tend to be held to slightly higher standards than men. For example, there has been a great deal of upset over Cassandra's face, at least from all that I've seen. In months of lurking it seems one of the biggest complaints is her hair is too short and she has a scar. The other big complaint is that she looks different from DA2 Cass.

Seems like adding a scar to Cullen's face made fans melt with glee. Plus a lot of them don't mind the change from one engine to another. I've yet to see feedback threads demanding a change in romance options because of Cullen. The same cant be said for Cass. Thus, double standards...
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I'm glad you did because I couldn't have said it better, myself.

People are held to fairly high standards overall. Women tend to be held to slightly higher standards than men. For example, there has been a great deal of upset over Cassandra's face, at least from all that I've seen. In months of lurking it seems one of the biggest complaints is her hair is too short and she has a scar. The other big complaint is that she looks different from DA2 Cass.

Seems like adding a scar to Cullen's face made fans melt with glee. Plus a lot of them don't mind the change from one engine to another. I've yet to see feedback threads demanding a change in romance options because of Cullen. The same cant be said for Cass. Thus, double standards...

 

Another complaint has been the lack of long hair options for Qunari, with emphasis being on the females (since that is what they saw in the video). Had it been a video about male Qunari, or even males of any race, I doubt there would be such such an uproar, but because long hair such identified with feminine beauty or sexiness, then people complain about no long hair options for the female Qunari. 



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You sir have just inspired me to make to most hideous, staggering, beauty Thedas has every seen.

Sloth the female inquisitor Onwards!

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Still not sure what your point is. Are you offended that people make good looking characters Instead of "realistic" women. Is it that people don't make "ugly" characters? I don't understand.

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Another complaint has been the lack of long hair options for Qunari, with emphasis being on the females (since that is what they saw in the video). Had it been a video about male Qunari, or even males of any race, I doubt there would be such such an uproar, but because long hair such identified with feminine beauty or sexiness, then people complain about no long hair options for the female Qunari.


I've read about that, though from what I've read it seems the upset is over the fact that the qunari have only four hair options - even the hornless qunari who could be able to have options that humans were given. And they mentioned that the texturing of the four hair options is bad compared to the texturing of the humans' hair options. And the fact that limited horn styles are slide-locked to specific hairstyles, so you cant mix and match the limited options. I believe this same complaint has extended to male qunari CC.

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Shut the **** up everyone, we're already getting the most important cosmetic item in the history of video games - the fabled horse armor - so all of this petty bickering is pointless. Every Inquisitor will look fabulous on a mount wearing horse armor, even if that mount isn't a horse. Make your characters as average or gorgeous as possible, they will all pale in comparison.

 

(On a serious note, none of my female BioWare RPG characters wear makeup because it just doesn't make any sense to me. Like, Commander Shepard is a space marine (SPOICE MARINE!) and I'm pretty sure makeup would be a bad thing to wear into a firefight in space. Idk, don't begrudge anyone who does, but I just don't do it.)


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See, that is where you are wrong. Physical attractiveness is not the end all be all for me. There have bee. Many times where I gravitated towards the female who is supposedly "less attractive" over the female who appears to be the "gem".

Yes, once upon a time I was all about the looks, but as I matures and experienced women sexually, emotionally, and intellectually, looks became less and less relevant.

Would you please explain to me how the hell my statement that physical attractiveness is not irrelevant equals that it's "the end all be all"? You know, we may be living in a digital age, but there is still something between 0 and 1, in case you hadn't noticed. 



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Super models > non super models. nuff said.



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Super models > non super models. nuff said.

 

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My most used Shepard:

Spoiler

 

In the interest of doing my due diligence to the topic, I went back and dug up my own most played FemShep from the first Mass Effect. She's in a relationship with Kaidan, despite my distaste for his overall flaky personality and the knight-in-shining-armor-nonsense he and Ash pull on Virmire. She also doesn't have any makeup, has short hair (topical to the qunari discussion about the feminization of long hair - something supported by the fact that my private school would not let guys have long hair when I was growing up), and sports the scars a rough and tumble sole survivor from that first game's storyline would look. She does, unfortunately, have the heavy mascara eyes, because I didn't notice how absurd they'd end up looking outside that game's CC.

 

I also let my renegade FemShep keep her scars in ME2. Not everyone applies the same one size fits all descriptor. I happen to think that once I've created a character it's those little flaws like this FemShep's apparently obsessive use of mascara (and dead eye thanks to weird tracking and some of BioWare's often suspect animations), and my MaleShep's decidedly fishy appearance after being imported into ME2, that gives them an extra layer of personality. That's what's beautiful to me, when part of their look becomes part of their character (my renegade FemShep also had unintentionally pouty lips that I grew to adore).

 

I'd post my similarly modest elf from DAO, but I unequipped all her items because I was playing with mods and didn't want that to cause problems importing into DA2 - also she has the same name as the default elf from the Keep and that's a bit weird and random. So she's nekkid and I don't feel like doing much more than taking a screen shot. Point is, as someone else said, this seems a lot like a judgement made based solely on a sample of people who chose to share, and often share characters that they've never even actually played - and it's fine that they do that, but that's not an accurate representation of the whole.

 

These are my characters and their meanings and design quirks, whether on purpose or by mistake, are part of my experience. I'd venture to guess a lot of people feel the same way, and so don't feel the need to share their characters. It's also not like I sat here obsessing over any of my characters and referencing pop culture sources for inspiration. I made something I thought looked good, quickly, through messing around with the sliders a bit. I'm sure that's how a lot of people who don't obsess over their characters do it - which is probably the majority of people who even bother to mess with the CC instead of just choosing a default.  They take one of the defaults, mess with the sliders a bit, change a few of the features, get something that looks a bit different from the pre-made stuff and that they like and roll on with that.

 

 

It seems like when you allow people to create their female characters, men normally create someone who is overly sexualized while women while a bit tame, still go for extravagance in a way. You rarely see female Shepards/Hawkes/Wardens that are more on the Cassandra scale of things; attractive, yet not the typical "Hollywood", mainstream, or western ideals of what female beauty is.

 

This idea that most people obsess over meeting some mass market definition of beauty is patently false. The FemShep above is the type of female character I normally make, with the obvious variation in hair and skin tone and features that comes with haphazardly messing with sliders, and I'm sure other people have different types of characters that they normally make.

 

In reality, I'm pretty sure when you allow people of any gender the option to create a character of any gender, they normally ignore the CC altogether and just select a default option. Unless I'm mistaken, BioWare said that the overwhelming majority of players just used the default appearances in Mass Effect anyways, so by definition people normally don't "make" a character at all.

 

This is the point that everyone is trying to make. That boxing every single player into such a ridiculously small corner based on the creations shared by a minority of a minority of the player base that actually shares their creations is silly.



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My Daylen Amell had a 'jesus' hairdo, parted in the middle, falling in small waves to his shoulders and a very calm, handsome, peaceful look to his face.


Daylen Amell is Jesus... That makes an insane amount of sense.

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My Daylen Amell had a 'jesus' hairdo, parted in the middle, falling in small waves to his shoulders and a very calm, handsome, peaceful look to his face.


Daylen Amell is Jesus... That makes an insane amount of sense.

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Super models > non super models. nuff said.

Most super models aren't even that beautiful.



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I find issue with the assumption that supermodels are the apex of attractive. 

 

I just took it as a figure of speech.

Mine tend to look more like Hollywood action heroes and heroines than catwalk supermodels anyway.

More Scarlett Johansson, less Kate Moss.  ^_^



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The real question is... does your super model FemQuisitor smeyes? Because if they can't smeyes they aren't real Super Model FemQuisitors.


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I think its a global issue for most games (and movies/tv/etc)  Women, even when they are supposed to be without any makeup, still have makeup on.  Eye shadow, concealer, whatever else they use to make their skin all lovely and eyes shine like jewels.  As a society we've gotten used to thinking of a woman with modest, unobtrusive makeup as being an accurate depiction of what a typical woman with none looks like, and those that really have none on are odd looking, not representative of reality.  We've been tricked by media into thinking that gorgeous girl on the commercial is what every girl should look like when they wake up in the morning.  Its an illusion.  People on tv and in movies are always wearing makeup, even men, to make them look nice even when in roles where they are supposed not to, just with enough moderation to not make it overly obvious and distracting.  The "ugly nerd girl" is still beautiful, they just give her glasses.  Games have come to reflect that and do the same thing.  Women especially.  Very rare do you see one without at least a bit of eye liner on them.  All the women I've seen in DAI have that.   Of course its also been an issue for games that showing all the little details in skin hasn't been possible until recently, blackheads and flaky skin and all that ****, so a uniform, makeup caked looking skin has just been as much a technical limitation as it has been an artistic intention.  But as we're getting into an age when we can show that level of detail, we seem to not really want to.  People want to look nice, artists want their art to look nice, business people want their products to be attractive, so we keep making everyone, especially women, exceptionally beautiful, even the "relatively" ugly ones.  

 

I've think I've probably completely missed the point of this thread and gone off on a tangent, but whatever, I wanted to say that.  

That's nice and all but can't be said for DAI, where the only one good looking girl of the company cannot even be romanced. That is personal opinion of course.



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My Daylen Amell had a 'jesus' hairdo, parted in the middle, falling in small waves to his shoulders and a very calm, handsome, peaceful look to his face.


Daylen Amell is Jesus... That makes an insane amount of sense.

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The real question is... does your super model FemQuisitor smeyes? Because if they can't smeyes they aren't real Super Model FemQuisitors.

 

Just looked it up on Urban Dictionary, I don't think my Femquisitors would go for that...  :unsure: