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[JMan240]

Just looked it up on Urban Dictionary, I don't think my Femquisitors would go for that... 

Scroll down, you're looking for the term coined by Tyra Banks and not that other weird **** Urban Dictionary dredges up.

[KBomb]

Sigh, please read. I never said that I purposely go out of my way to date the perceived lesser attractive women over the perceived more attractive woman. I said that while both were attractive to men, sometimes I would go for the perceived lesser attractive woman BECAUSE the perceived lesser attractive woman has qualities that I like more that perhaps the perceived more attractive female does not have. I like to talk about foreign policy, so if the more attractive female finds that silly, of course I will ignore her and gravitate towards the female who finds it cool or even sexy, even if that female is perceived to be less attractive by mainstream society. 

Yet, you rated them on a number scale according to their "hotness". You chose the "lesser attractive" one because she had more in common with you. Yet, you still noticed the other female was better looking. So, looks do matter to you, at least enough for you to notice and quantify it. It may not contribute to whom you want as a mate, but it is something you definitely notice, which was the point the poster was making in the first place. You know why? If you didn't know either female and had no clue "six" had more in common with you, you'd have chosen "ten". If you disagree with that and would have chosen "six" because she was less conventionally attractive, you'd have still chosen someone based on their looks. When you have nothing else to judge someone on, their appearance and demeanor is the first thing you do notice and will be the first base for your opinion. Of course, getting to know them could completely change that opinion, but that is how life works.

[BackdoorPaco]

One thing that I have noticed with many custom female Commander Shepards is that they generally are overly ugly if that makes any sense. Rarely have I seen any female Shepards (including many female Hawkes and Wardens) that looked like beautiful women. Attractive, like Maxim cover attractive or anything to that nature. It seems like when you allow people to create their female characters, men normally create someone who is overly smeagolized while women while a bit tame, still go for putrid rot in a way. You rarely see female Shepards/Hawkes/Wardens that are more on the Alessandra Ambrosio scale of things; attractive, typical "Hollywood", mainstream, or western ideals of what female beauty is. I am saying that most Shepards/Hawkes/Wardens I see (female) typically all have a buzz cut, skeleton fingers, round and obtuse features etc...again, not like a Alessandra Ambrosio who is in the dreams of millions of teenagers, but is also.....gorgeous, Isabella as well. 

 

For my female Elf and Human Inquisitors, I want to break the mold a bit. I want them to be OMGZ attractive. The type of female whom you may break your neck to stare at because she is JUST SO attractive, but also the type of female who you hang around with after a while and begin to seize up constantly staring at her outer beauty, with the personality having nothing in that, only superficial features.

 

Again, I get the whole idea that if you are going to be playing a 100+ hour game, you would want to create someone that looks horrible, but still, I want to try to be less mainstream and more unique. 

 

Spoiler

am I unique yet?

[Revan Reborn]

This thread almost appears as the opposite of the "sexy" armor thread. To answer the OP, this is the most robust CC BioWare has ever built. With just the absurd number of possibilities, you should be concerned more with making a halfway decent looking Inquisitor and not one that came out of Mr. Potato Head's play house.

 

From what BioWare showed of the CC, there should be more than enough variety for those who want Hollywood beauty and for those who want something a bit more normal, girl-next-door type.

[Shahadem]

for someone who supposedly isnt shallow youre pretty good at quantifying peoples looks on a numbers scale. What do you want, a cookie for dating the 6? oh im sure she is soooooo lucky to be "blessed" with your attention.

 

The people with the "holier than thou" attitudes are the bane of my existence as well.

[Shahadem]

 
I don't know if it's entirely fair to call Inquisition or any of the Dragon Age games strictly "power fantasy" games. There's an element, certainly: you're saving the world, the one person who can, and in combat you're a god among people and dialogue tends to assume that also. Even Hawke was renowned and generally assumed to be one of the few people who ever actually did anything.
 
But a lot of the games are forcing you into tough choices/situations, and yes there's a thrill to being the one who makes the tough call and overcomes situation X, but it's not all ego-stroking. You've got people like Carver (my favoured sibling, for what it's worth), the story of Leandra and her "admirer"... Plus, everyone else is written to be relatively normal and down-to-earth, warts and all psychologically at least*, so no reason for the Inquisitor to be any different, right?
 
*They're not always successfully written, but I think it's fairly clear the intent is for them to be deep and flawed, at least a bit.

 

Except the Inquisitor is different. The Inquisitor is made into a divine figure that is revered by many believers of the Faith, she is given power not because she earned it, but because she was made special as a result of having that little thing on her hand, something that no one else has besides her. The fate of the entire world rests squarely on her shoulders.

 

If that isn't a power fantasy I don't know what is.

 

And to continue my point, no one has yet defined what normal is, other than implying that normal is anything between super model (ie Northern European) and fugly. But beauty isn't really a sliding scale between those two, it is more a multidimensional, where those two options are simply points within the dimensions and do not represent the minimum or maximum of any of the dimensions. Beauty, is a function defined by the entirety of those dimensions, not just the few that lead one to looking like they from Northern Europe.

[Shahadem]

See, I just thought she looked normal. Normal in the sense that her features were offbeat from a model's appearance.
It would be interesting for everyone to link a self portrait. You'd be shocked by how much variety there is when it boils down to facial features and what people consider attractive or not....

 

And there's the problem. Your definition of normal makes no sense. You are flat out saying that anyone who doesn't look like a supermodel is normal and therefore isn't beautiful, neither of which are true.

 

And when we are talking about elves, we are talking about a completely different species who exist entirely in our minds. And what we are made to think of this species is that they are generally all unusually attractive and do in fact all look like hollywood actresses. And for elves that's normal because they all come from the same part of the world so they'd all be the same race more or less. All elf women look like Liv Tyler while all elf men look like Craig Parker.

 

 

Coincidentally this is what my Commander Shephard's face looks like, except she looks sturdier and has way more muscle and a much thicker neck.

[tmp7704]

Quite frankly it makes my stomach turn when people pull out phony ass progressive bs to make themselves sound all progressive and nice. Every single dude ive met and the people ive interacted with reveal themselves to be equally shallow, when called out on it the biggest excuse being that they cant help themselves because they are biologically built to have those preferences so it doesnt make them shallow. like wtf? doesnt matter why you are shallow ******, youre still shallow.

If we're being frank then on the flip side, it's just as annoying to see someone presume and claim that no one could possibly say decent things and actually mean them, as opposed to being universally shallow and just faking it.

"Every single time"* I've seen similar claims, the person voicing these opinions revealed themselves to hold them as a way to feel better about themselves -- allowing them to believe that it's not them as individual that relatively suck as a human being in certain aspects, but it's just universal 'human nature' and so not their personal flaw they could try to address.

On side note, it's indeed rather illogical to call people out as "shallow" for having preferences which at the same time you claim to be universal worldwide -- accepting your claim as true for the sake of the argument that would make these people not "shallow" but merely "normal", with nothing to call them out on.


*) quotes because it's obv not actual every single time but hey, painting with broad brush makes it so much easier to deal with things, amirite

[Eshaye]

Considering I've made my most attractive and realistic Shepards and Hawke's using mods, I am quite looking forwards to not having to do that, maybe, hopefully. Well my first copy is on the Ps4 just for that reason too, to make myself enjoy the game au naturel. 

 

The beauty of the CC is you can make whatever face you want for whatever character type you want. Sometimes you might want to go glam and sometimes you may not. What does it matter? The most important part is that we can. 

 

Also models are people too.

[Lavaeolus]

Except the Inquisitor is different. The Inquisitor is made into a divine figure that is revered by many believers of the Faith, she is given power not because she earned it, but because she was made special as a result of having that little thing on her hand, something that no one else has besides her. The fate of the entire world rests squarely on her shoulders.

 

If that isn't a power fantasy I don't know what is.

Sure, the core concept is power fantasy-y, not denying that, but not the whole game. Origins: you are the last of the fabled Grey Wardens -- warriors beyond renown! An army of pure darkness and evil rises, and you, only you, can stop it! Sure, directly compared Inquisition sounds fancier than Origins, but they're really on the same kind of level as far as "Go be a hero, you're the best, yeah!" things go.

 

There are likely still going to moments when the game kicks you in the face, tells you that you can't solve everything (hey there, Orzammar!), parts when you fail, and parts where close allies can go "You know what? **** you, I'm outta here". I don't doubt in the end the Inquisitor will come out triumphant, but it's not going to be purely indulgent, with an all-powerful sexy flawless protagonist.

 

Keep in mind we're still in marketing. Mass Effect 3 advertised itself with "Retake Earth" not "Experience post-traumatic-stress dreams", after all.

[Fishy]

I actually find Cassandra very beautiful. Her character ooze with personality. All these ''perfect'' looking bimbo with too much make up and bleached blonde hair look the same to me. It's not just woman though. It's also the same for male protagonist.

 

Guy end up looking the same too in most game. A main protagonist is so easily identifiable. They all follow the Indiana Jones fantasy prototype.

 

They're usually sporting a gruffy beard,short hair and with a ''deep'' mysterious voice. Around 6 ft tall. They have a sad past/ orphan and there's always a bimbo that ''understand'' them trying to get inside their pants.

 

I don't care playing with ''ugly'' avatar. That not the problem. Is most often than not CC are not very good at creating avatar that ooze with personality. So everyone end up looking the same unless you want to look like an alien.

[MissMayhem96]

These are my characters. They may not fit the standard of female beauty for some, but I don't find them to be ugly.

 

I have alot more pictures of different Hawkes, and Shepards. I only have one Warden.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you see a Pattern?

[MouseHopper]

Ok, I suppose this should be a whole new thread, but why does beauty have to be defined by a character's physical appearance anyway.  Yes, it may be true that initially that is all that one sees (if one is a seeing person).  But who cares?  We are not discussing initial attraction; we are discussing beauty.  For me beauty is more complicated than a simple physical attribute.  For example I look at the face of someone like Mother Teresa and see beauty.   Desmond Tutu's face is beautiful to me, as is the face of The Dalai Lama.

 

I recognize that this is merely a fantasy role playing game, and we are not meant to be creating characters such as those I have described above.  However, I like to attempt to create characters who have just that "character" in their faces, rather than "physical beauty".  In many cases, these characters are also physically beautiful whenever possible; because like most people I enjoy that as well.  However, if my character turns out not so beautiful to look at, but has an interesting twinkle in his/her eye I'll stick with him/her for the long haul.

[Joe-Poe]

 

These are my characters. They may not fit the standard of female beauty for some, but I don't find them to be ugly.

 

I have alot more pictures of different Hawkes, and Shepards. I only have one Warden.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you see a Pattern?

 

The last one is just freaking beautiful (looks alot like my ex) But the rest...errr give them girls some hair...  ....Hair is a woman's glory...

[Killdren88]

Still trying to figure out the point of this thread. Are you upset that people make thier character a certain way that you disapprove of? Are you trying you upset with people because they don't share your definition of beauty?

[Scerene]

If we're being frank then on the flip side, it's just as annoying to see someone presume and claim that no one could possibly say decent things and actually mean them, as opposed to being universally shallow and just faking it.

"Every single time"* I've seen similar claims, the person voicing these opinions revealed themselves to hold them as a way to feel better about themselves -- allowing them to believe that it's not them as individual that relatively suck as a human being in certain aspects, but it's just universal 'human nature' and so not their personal flaw they could try to address.

On side note, it's indeed rather illogical to call people out as "shallow" for having preferences which at the same time you claim to be universal worldwide -- accepting your claim as true for the sake of the argument that would make these people not "shallow" but merely "normal", with nothing to call them out on.


*) quotes because it's obv not actual every single time but hey, painting with broad brush makes it so much easier to deal with things, amirite

im a shallow arrogant b-i-tch, and i dont deny it. i dont feel good or bad about it. Where have i said people cant say decent things and mean them? when it comes to peoples judgement of others' looks i just find it to be bs  nine times out of ten, the guys that notice me irl dont do so because i have a "beautiful personality". and the guy who was most obsessed with my looks, vomited all kinds of bs about equality, "depth" being progressive, not having rigid beauty ideals and modern ones being bad, and beauty on the inside. Yet he is the most shallow dude ive ever met.

They have done studies and there are documentaries that show we have subconscious biases toward people based on their looks, and everybody takes it into account even people who claim that they dont.  humanity is a garbled up tainted flawed mess of bs and fakery I have accepted that, maybe its time you do too.

it sounds like you are trying to make yourself feel better.

[Shahadem]

Ok, I suppose this should be a whole new thread, but why does beauty have to be defined by a character's physical appearance anyway.  Yes, it may be true that initially that is all that one sees (if one is a seeing person).  But who cares?  We are not discussing initial attraction; we are discussing beauty.  For me beauty is more complicated than a simple physical attribute.  For example I look at the face of someone like Mother Teresa and see beauty.   Desmond Tutu's face is beautiful to me, as is the face of The Dalai Lama.

 

I recognize that this is merely a fantasy role playing game, and we are not meant to be creating characters such as those I have described above.  However, I like to attempt to create characters who have just that "character" in their faces, rather than "physical beauty".  In many cases, these characters are also physically beautiful whenever possible; because like most people I enjoy that as well.  However, if my character turns out not so beautiful to look at, but has an interesting twinkle in his/her eye I'll stick with him/her for the long haul.

 

There is a difference between being beautiful and being beatific. And one can have a beautiful body and/or a beautiful soul/mind. But having a beautiful soul doesn't make your body beautiful if it isn't beautiful in and of itself. Likewise having a beautiful body doesn't make one's soul/mind beautiful. It's quite possible for someone to look beautiful and then completely destroy that image the moment they open their mouth. Likewise someone could be physically hideous but then immediately endear themselves to us the moment they open their mouth.

[Shahadem]

Still trying to figure out the point of this thread. Are you upset that people make thier character a certain way that you disapprove of? Are you trying you upset with people because they don't share your definition of beauty?

 

The point of this thread is the calling the OPer out on his "holier than thou" bs.

[MissMayhem96]

The last one is just freaking beautiful (looks alot like my ex) But the rest...errr give them girls some hair...  ....Hair is a woman's glory...

 

Hm, I like giving my Shepard's buzzed hair because they are very pro-military practical.

[KBomb]

Ok, I suppose this should be a whole new thread, but why does beauty have to be defined by a character's physical appearance anyway.  Yes, it may be true that initially that is all that one sees (if one is a seeing person).  But who cares?  We are not discussing initial attraction; we are discussing beauty.  For me beauty is more complicated than a simple physical attribute.  For example I look at the face of someone like Mother Teresa and see beauty.   Desmond Tutu's face is beautiful to me, as is the face of The Dalai Lama.

 

I recognize that this is merely a fantasy role playing game, and we are not meant to be creating characters such as those I have described above.  However, I like to attempt to create characters who have just that "character" in their faces, rather than "physical beauty".  In many cases, these characters are also physically beautiful whenever possible; because like most people I enjoy that as well.  However, if my character turns out not so beautiful to look at, but has an interesting twinkle in his/her eye I'll stick with him/her for the long haul.

I'd like to think you can have both character and beauty and one doesn't negate the other. I think when most people create a character in CC, they already have their personality staged set and customize that accordingly. A scar here, freckles there-- a traditional military haircut, a ponytail, etc. None of this prohibits physical beauty. 

 

Speaking for myself only, I can say that I want my pc to be the total package. I want her to be beautiful, strong, confident, competent and badass. Why? Well, why not? It doesn't hurt anyone. It doesn't make anyone feel bad about themselves and it enhances my experience. Also, most people on here have said physical beauty isn't the most important thing, but it's still important--at least when creating a fictional character than only they can experience.

[MouseHopper]

KBomb, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  One does not negate the other.  However, if the OP was suggesting that he believes that many of us only care about appearance, I have to disagree.  Your post perfectly illustrates that, as does mine.  Many of us want multi-faceted characters who are not one dimensional.  If they happen to look good at the same time that is fine with me.  I spend a great deal of time in character creation and I rarely make the same character twice.  Each one somehow speaks to me, and (s)he always has the qualities that are important for me in a role playing game.  If at all possible I attempt to have them show through in the face that I create, so that the gaming experience can be as realistic and rewarding as possible.

[Ms .45]

I plan to base my inquisitor on myself, because it looks like I'll have a unique opportunity to make that happen. So I guess it depends on whether you think I'm pretty or not.