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[Ryriena]

I know my mage might not agree with her view points, just because she was better off than most mages in the cricles because she was high in the higherarcy, though my human inquisitor she get alone just fine. She pro cricle and a hard fantic on her belief of the maker. Yeah I might change her views though along the way thanks to working with Cole and Solas.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Lebanese Dude:  Let's not pretend for one second that it's necessary to teach someone to create a whirling vortex of fire/lightning/ice so that they might be in better control of their powers. 

 

Yes, I am aware it's a game - and therefore not having combat spells would be ridiculous - however, this notion that fire couldn't be used for forges or kilns or ice couldn't be used for refrigeration.  That earth couldn't be used to build or shape.  That electricity couldn't be used to - I dunno - maybe even power technological developments.  And let's be fair... learning "Shock" is one thing. Learning ALL the elemental spells suggests - to me - you're clearly not someone who can be trusted right off the bat.

 

NOTE:  Mages thought it was beneath them to be lamplighters - because why not throw fireballs? 

 

Adrian is a beautiful example of why I don't trust mages who focus on violent magic.  Please note that I said "Focus" on it. 

[Xilizhra]

@Lebanese Dude:  Let's not pretend for one second that it's necessary to teach someone to create a whirling vortex of fire/lightning/ice so that they might be in better control of their powers. 

 

Yes, I am aware it's a game - and therefore not having combat spells would be ridiculous - however, this notion that fire couldn't be used for forges or kilns or ice couldn't be used for refrigeration.  That earth couldn't be used to build or shape.  That electricity couldn't be used to - I dunno - maybe even power technological developments.  And let's be fair... learning "Shock" is one thing. Learning ALL the elemental spells suggests - to me - you're clearly not someone who can be trusted right off the bat.

 

NOTE:  Mages thought it was beneath them to be lamplighters - because why not throw fireballs? 

 

Adrian is a beautiful example of why I don't trust mages who focus on violent magic.  Please note that I said "Focus" on it. 

If mages focusing on violent magic was actually common, I seriously doubt that those mages in the siege of the Gallows in The Last Straw would have been mowed down so easily. Only three of them were even able to do anything other than run.

 

Naturally, the Grey Wardens would only pick a mage who had combat aptitude, Bethany already had it when she was brought into the Circle, and the various apostates around would have excellent reasons to learn to defend themselves.

[Ieldra]

NOTE:  Mages thought it was beneath them to be lamplighters - because why not throw fireballs?

Wrong. Mages thought being restricted to being lamplighters was unjust. Not to mention that it was lamplighters in service to a religion that blamed their kind for the Blights. If that's not adding insult to injury, I don't know what is.

 

Having said that, I would like to see some practical use of magic and I always imagine that my mages know such stuff. In general, they tend to find that building a house with magic is vastly more satisfying than burning one down.

 

As for why fireballs are taught in the Circle: that's because the Chantry uses the mages as weapons in their Exalted Marches.

[Ryriena]

Why, should I be your servant? Are you too lazy to light your own lamp at night? Runes can be used for heating and cooling Empress Celene does that for her Tea at parties for her guest. And magic can use to heal people a lot faster than normal medical herbs can unless it's of the mind like Quentin.

[Ryriena]

Tripple post

[Ryriena]

slow Internet tripple post ugh

[Lebanese Dude]

@Lebanese Dude:  Let's not pretend for one second that it's necessary to teach someone to create a whirling vortex of fire/lightning/ice so that they might be in better control of their powers. 
 
Yes, I am aware it's a game - and therefore not having combat spells would be ridiculous - however, this notion that fire couldn't be used for forges or kilns or ice couldn't be used for refrigeration.  That earth couldn't be used to build or shape.  That electricity couldn't be used to - I dunno - maybe even power technological developments.  And let's be fair... learning "Shock" is one thing. Learning ALL the elemental spells suggests - to me - you're clearly not someone who can be trusted right off the bat.
 
NOTE:  Mages thought it was beneath them to be lamplighters - because why not throw fireballs? 
 
Adrian is a beautiful example of why I don't trust mages who focus on violent magic.  Please note that I said "Focus" on it.

Er...once an apprentice learns to control the magic and passes the Harrowing, it is he or she who develops his talent.
You realize magic is mostly self-taught via studying and experimentation right?

Also not everyone knows primal magic.

[Ryriena]

Once a mage learns, how too fights is what you have problems with, because the Templars can't use their anti magical abilities against those whom are mages.

I am pro gun control, but I see the benefits of having a gun, as well, so normal people can use them as protection against agressive people or governments that side against the people like North Korea. Those agressive magics can be controlled by mages easily just because they are trained too do so and their that awesome, and I only brought up guns because it was brought up in this thread.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Lebanese Dude:  So you're saying they're choosing to learn super violent spells.

 

I'm pretty sure that doesn't change my opinion of mages who focus on violent spells and then "claim" to be peace loving people you'd love to have as your neighbor.

 

If I knew my neighbor could burn my house down with his mind the first time we got into a dispute over a tree hanging too far onto my property... I'd have issues with the guy. 

 

@Ryriena:  While I am personally against guns in any form - I was making a point to say someone obsessed with guns.  Not just someone who owns a handgun - or a hunting rifle - or even two or three. 

[Beerfish]

The kind of restrictions that are put on mages is not because they might throw a fire ball and use violent magic, the restrictions rear put on mages because at6 any point in time they can become possessed and become abominations who are pretty well 100% for sure going to wreak havok.

[Ryriena]

@Lebanese Dude: So you're saying they're choosing to learn super violent spells.

I'm pretty sure that doesn't change my opinion of mages who focus on violent spells and then "claim" to be peace loving people you'd love to have as your neighbor.

If I knew my neighbor could burn my house down with his mind the first time we got into a dispute over a tree hanging too far onto my property... I'd have issues with the guy.

@Ryriena: While I am personally against guns in any form - I was making a point to say someone obsessed with guns. Not just someone who owns a handgun - or a hunting rifle - or even two or three.

I wouldn't let my fear guide me to get to know that person because that will go along way to get rid of this fear people have on mages and guns. My dad is someone that has many guns but as a Retired Fire Marshal he only pulled out his weapon once. He had gotten one of them when a ex con that he arrested came and yelled at my mother at our home this happened, when I was just baby. But it scared my mom just enough to have my allow him to have them in the house.

[Ryriena]

The kind of restrictions that are put on mages is not because they might throw a fire ball and use violent magic, the restrictions rear put on mages because at6 any point in time they can become possessed and become abominations who are pretty well 100% for sure going to wreak havok.

You do understand this system creates more abominations than say the Rivervin system did? Because the demons don't have any thing to Lure them in with.

[Ryriena]

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[Medhia_Nox]

@Ryreina:  Isn't Rivain covered in abominations... so much so that when one runs amok they're so used to it they consider it a natural disaster? 

 

[The Elder King]

@Ryreina:  Isn't Rivain covered in abominations... so much so that when one runs amok they're so used to it they consider it a natural disaster?

Not exactly. They just believe abominations are natural disasters, so they don't blame the mages/seers if some of them lose control.

[Ryriena]

@Ryreina: Isn't Rivain covered in abominations... so much so that when one runs amok they're so used to it they consider it a natural disaster?

Your thinking Trevinter they are the ones like that. Rivian actually was taken out by the Chantry for it UN orathdox methods in the cricle system.

Beerfish
And I don't care what you think Beerfish, since I already know you take things to extremes plus I don't like it when people restrict other people rights out of FEAR.

[Beerfish]

You do understand this system creates more abominations than say the Rivervin system did? Because the demons don't have any thing to Lure them in with.

As a lowly peasant, a Bann or lord or any one of a number of situations I can say with all honesty  "I don't care"  We are not in Rivain.  All that matters to me is that mages must be tightly controlled because some kid in Redcliffe killed a hundred people, one of them a friend of my nephew.

[Jazzpha]

Man, I can't wait to play my dwarf warrior. He'll just look at the Mage/Templar War, shrug his shoulders and slam his axe into the face of whomever tries to attack him first. He'll be a complete ideological blank-slate on this issue.

 

That'll be a lovely change of pace.

[Medhia_Nox]

@The Elder King:  Natural disasters can't be prevented... that's such insane thinking to me.

 

AND - what has mankind "tried" to do with natural disasters throughout history?  Mitigate their fallout.  

 

Thinking they are natural disasters should actually encourage tighter restrictions.  

 

Sounds like they've just submitted to a bunch of psycho mages inviting alien beings to inhabit their bodies.

[Ryriena]

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[Ryriena]

You do realize that most mages can not control themselves, when a demon takes control of their body, so yes let's blame a child or an adult for what a demon does in their bodies, From a lore prespestive they come at you as someone your familiar with like family or friends, so the person doesn't understand its a demon. You sound like someone who is running on FEAR.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Ryriena:  LOL Is that your little catchword you use to try to shame people or something?  People who don't fear things are just too stupid to not know the danger they're in.

 

Courageous people fear things all the time - they just don't let themselves get crippled.  

 

Yes, I will absolutely blame a person for being so weak they became possessed.  And even if I didn't blame them - I'd still put them down because their failure to forbid demons to possess them should not mean other people have to suffer for it. 

 

Lambert warned Rhys over and over and over... but Rhys was too stupid to listen.  Then - when he discovered Cole really was a demon - he felt so betrayed.  He was an idiot and a fool who's thoughts were clouded by hatred for Lambert and misplaced compassion for the story of a little mage boy who died a long time ago.

[The Elder King]

@The Elder King:  Natural disasters can't be prevented... that's such insane thinking to me.
 
AND - what has mankind "tried" to do with natural disasters throughout history?  Mitigate their fallout.  
 
Thinking they are natural disasters should actually encourage tighter restrictions.  
 
Sounds like they've just submitted to a bunch of psycho mages inviting alien beings to inhabit their bodies.

I wasn't Saying it was a good reasoning. I meant that it doesn't necessarily means they're full of abomination.
I think Rivaini really believe in this things. They have a completely different mindset then The rest of Thedas, and I don't think it's because of mages.

[Xilizhra]

@Ryriena:  LOL Is that your little catchword you use to try to shame people or something?  People who don't fear things are just too stupid to not know the danger they're in.

 

Courageous people fear things all the time - they just don't let themselves get crippled.  

 

Yes, I will absolutely blame a person for being so weak they became possessed.  And even if I didn't blame them - I'd still put them down because their failure to forbid demons to possess them should not mean other people have to suffer for it. 

 

Lambert warned Rhys over and over and over... but Rhys was too stupid to listen.  Then - when he discovered Cole really was a demon - he felt so betrayed.  He was an idiot and a fool who's thoughts were clouded by hatred for Lambert and misplaced compassion for the story of a little mage boy who died a long time ago.

How was it misplaced? Cole still turned out to be a basically good person, he killed Lambert, and now he can help the Inquisition. I think Rhys made primarily correct decisions.