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[Ryriena]

@Ryriena: LOL Is that your little catchword you use to try to shame people or something? People who don't fear things are just too stupid to not know the danger they're in.

Courageous people fear things all the time - they just don't let themselves get crippled.

Yes, I will absolutely blame a person for being so weak they became possessed. And even if I didn't blame them - I'd still put them down because their failure to forbid demons to possess them should not mean other people have to suffer for it.

Lambert warned Rhys over and over and over... but Rhys was too stupid to listen. Then - when he discovered Cole really was a demon - he felt so betrayed. He was an idiot and a fool who's thoughts were clouded by hatred for Lambert and misplaced compassion for the story of a little mage boy who died a long time ago.

So again how is my statment wrong your whole post is based on fear of the unknown, that is a wrong thing to stand by. "Fear of a thing or person only increase that fear." That is what I live by, since, when you fear something you shouldn't give into that fear and let it run your life. I don't fear the unlown I embrace it, and study it, hell I am even a paranormal investigator part time because I embrace the unkown to study.

[Medhia_Nox]

Fear of the unknown?  What are you talking about? 

I know that if a mage doesn't stand constantly vigilant against the entities of the Fade - they risk being carved out and used as a hand puppet.

 

I know those possessed cause great suffering to the rest of the world. 

 

I know that demons/spirits cannot understand the mortal world and even at their best are prone to causing pain and suffering through their innocence (and they are incapable of truly learning because they do not have the same developmental processes as a mortal).

 

Don't confuse opposition with fear.  To me - any wonderment at demons - is ignorant naivety. 

[Ryriena]

double post

[Ryriena]

It sound to me like you fear the demons because you don't understand them, as such my point with the unkown part in my post. In fact I would likely be the ones to study demons to find out more about them, and finds ways to avoid possession.

[Xilizhra]

I know that demons/spirits cannot understand the mortal world and even at their best are prone to causing pain and suffering through their innocence (and they are incapable of truly learning because they do not have the same developmental processes as a mortal).

I'm reasonably sure Cole will prove this wrong in Inquisition.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Ryrenia:  I don't fear demons - I want them gone off of Thedas.  They don't belong there as they are extra-dimensional beings not made to function compatibly with the mortal realm of Thedas.  There's no amount of starry eyed wishing that will change that.

 

And you prevent possession by self-control.  Magic is their beacon - Emotions are their doorway.  The Veil is an emotional state (a Tevinter magister rages about this in one of the codexs) it isn't a physical "thing".  The Veil must always be kept strong in a mages mind. 

 

The collective conscious of Thedas has fractured... hence the Breach.  

 

@Xilizhra: Perhaps by stealing herbs - burning prunes - and hiding daggers in barrels?  His antics may have transitioned to baffoonery - but it won't last long.  

 

Don't even get me started on Cole - you know what he did, why you excuse it is beyond me.

[Eudaemonium]

@Ryrenia:  I don't fear demons - I want them gone off of Thedas.  They don't belong there as they are extra-dimensional beings not made to function compatibly with the mortal realm of Thedas.  There's no amount of starry eyed wishing that will change that.

 

And you prevent possession by self-control.  Magic is their beacon - Emotions are their doorway.  The Veil is an emotional state (a Tevinter magister rages about this in one of the codexs) it isn't a physical "thing".  The Veil must always be kept strong in a mages mind. 

 

The collective conscious of Thedas has fractured... hence the Breach.  

 

You're kind of assume the Fade is not part of Thedas here. Whether or not demons belong in the *material* part of Thedas kind of depends on a lot of things. Such as what the Fade is, whether it has always existed and if not how it came into being. There are a bunch of hints in places of time 'before the Fade', whatever that means.

 

Also I'm pretty sure that the entire purpose of Cole being in this game is to complicate the 'spirits belong in the fade' idea.

[The Elder King]

I'm reasonably sure Cole will prove this wrong in Inquisition.

Well, maybe he won't harm people, but they shown he's doing strange things with strange reasons compared to a Human, and I fear he won't really change in this.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Eudaemonia:  The Fade is thought made manifest.  It is an alternate dimension - and in that dimension - everything is totally natural.  Thedas is not that dimension.

 

And Cole may confuse the issue for some - but in light of the millions of demons I'll be fighting in the field - one strange anomaly doesn't mean I'm going to change my viewpoint. 

[Eudaemonium]

Well, maybe he won't harm people, but they shown he's doing strange things with strange reasons compared to a Human, and I fear he won't really change in this.

 

Yeah, but the same could be said of the Qunari, or well, anybody who comes from a different culture to you and does things for reasons you don't really understand.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Eudaimonia:  Interesting comparison - and will you be succumbing to the Qun?

[Xilizhra]

@Xilizhra: Perhaps by stealing herbs - burning prunes - and hiding daggers in barrels?  His antics may have transitioned to baffoonery - but it won't last long.  

 

Don't even get me started on Cole - you know what he did, why you excuse it is beyond me.

As you wish, but I seriously doubt the game will cater to your hatred of spirits for its entire duration.

Also, he only killed people who wanted to die.

 

 

Well, maybe he won't harm people, but they shown he's doing strange things with strange reasons compared to a Human, and I fear he won't really change in this.

I look forward to learning why.

[The Elder King]

Yeah, but the same could be said of the Qunari, or well, anybody who comes from a different culture to you and does things for reasons you don't really understand.

Possibly. Though...(Continuing after Xil's post)

As you wish, but I seriously doubt the game will cater to your hatred of spirits for its entire duration.
Also, he only killed people who wanted to die.
 
 

I look forward to learning why.

He said he took The daggers becuase they were safer here. And based on The tweets about him burning turnips, I doubt it'll be a logical explanation.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Xilizhra:  Oh, the game absolutely does not have to cater to my viewpoint.

Wynne - for example - already presents a huge conundrum for me.  She's one of my absolute favorite characters - and yet, the Spirit of Faith... how does it fit into my belief about spirits/demons?  

 

BUT - even if I have a philosophy I believe in.  Like: "Spirits and Demons should be removed."  I am the type of person that can see an exception when one presents itself.  Like Wynne.  

 

Wynne keeps me guess far FAR more than Cole ever will - though nobody would be happier than I if Bioware convinces me to see things differently. 

But again - in light of the vast array of demons threatening to destroy Thedas - Cole won't change my view toward Spirits/Demons.. he'll be another conundrum like Wynne that I'll have to start making room for. 

[Xilizhra]

He said he took The daggers becuase they were safer here. And based on The tweets about him burning turnips, I doubt it'll be a logical explanation.

It'll have internal logic. Once we trace that, it shouldn't be too hard to learn how he thinks.

 

 

@Xilizhra:  Oh, the game absolutely does not have to cater to my viewpoint.

Wynne - for example - already presents a huge conundrum for me.  She's one of my absolute favorite characters - and yet, the Spirit of Faith... how does it fit into my belief about spirits/demons?  

 

BUT - even if I have a philosophy I believe in.  Like: "Spirits and Demons should be removed."  I am the type of person that can see an exception when one presents itself.  Like Wynne.  

 

Wynne keeps me guess far FAR more than Cole ever will - though nobody would be happier than I if Bioware convinces me to see things differently. 

But again - in light of the vast array of demons threatening to destroy Thedas - Cole won't change my view toward Spirits/Demons.. he'll be another conundrum like Wynne that I'll have to start making room for. 

I make decisions about spirits on a case-by-case basis, which has worked out well for me so far.

 

As for Vivienne, it's possible she'll break new ground by being the first companion in a Bioware game whom I genuinely hate.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Xilizhra:  Aww - well at least it's nice to see you're incapable of change. 

[eyezonlyii]

I agree with most of your post, but this is not how that would've gone down. The demon was bound to the relic, and the only way to kill it was to let it out or force it out. Marethari tried to kill the demon in the Fade (if memory serves) and realized she couldn't it there, so she had to get the demon unbound so it could be killed - which is in fact what the demon wanted, too. So letting herself to become possesed was the safest and easiest way to save Merrill. She, quite literally, cared about Merrill more than she cared about the safety of the rest of the Clan.
 
That makes her a lousy Keeper, IMO, but not a stupid one.

Yea, she was stupid. Because Merrill didn't want to unbind it, she wanted to talk to it. She tells this to hawke before the quest; how the demon is powerless because it's bound to a statue. The keeper for whatever reason (Kirkwall stupidity) decided the best course of action was to release a powerless demon and bind it to a powerful mage, and then wait around on the off chance that she could keep it in check until the off chance that someone would come along and kill her before she wiped out the clan. How lucky it is that Merrill had the foresight to bring hawke and co with her.

[Xilizhra]

@Xilizhra:  Aww - well at least it's nice to see you're incapable of change. 

What exactly was that in relation to?

[Medhia_Nox]

@Xilizhra:  I make a post about how I have a belief that can be challenged... and you're all like:  "Yeah, well I'm going to hate Vivienne." 

 

It's nice to know you're incapable of even considering the other side might have something worth saying.

[Ryriena]

It'll have internal logic. Once we trace that, it shouldn't be too hard to learn how he thinks.


I make decisions about spirits on a case-by-case basis, which has worked out well for me so far.

As for Vivienne, it's possible she'll break new ground by being the first companion in a Bioware game whom I genuinely hate.

I on the other hand might dislike her mostly because she sounding so smug when talks about the rebels mages and the fact she ignored the parts where she had it a lot better than most mages in the cricle.

[Xilizhra]

@Xilizhra:  I make a post about how I have a belief that can be challenged... and you're all like:  "Yeah, well I'm going to hate Vivienne." 

 

It's nice to know you're incapable of even considering the other side might have something worth saying.

That's because your belief is vulnerable to personal exceptions that destroy the idea of all beings a specific category being inherently dangerous; mine is about the ideal of a world, and unless my fundamental moral values change, neither will that ideal. The opposition is always worth listening to if they may have seen something that you missed, but that doesn't make them not the opposition.

[RobRam10]

@Xilizhra:  I make a post about how I have a belief that can be challenged... and you're all like:  "Yeah, well I'm going to hate Vivienne." 

Well Vivienne is spewing heresy of the highest order... submitting.

[TheJediSaint]

Well Vivienne is spewing heresy of the highest order... submitting.

To her.

[Beerfish]

As you wish, but I seriously doubt the game will cater to your hatred of spirits for its entire duration.

Also, he only killed people who wanted to die.

 

 

 

 

I look forward to learning why.

This is such pure nonsense, the old he only killed those that wanted to die.  We have zero idea if he was influencing them at the time or if they were in sound mind at the time.  If a person says I would like to die and you immediately kill them instead of trying to help them is that right?  Also Cole has a huge ulterior motive as their deaths keep him alive and relevant.  With is abilities he could have just as easily helped them escape their plight, instead he murders them.  It has been shown numerous times in these games that demons can get you to do what they want you to do.

[TheJediSaint]

This is such pure nonsense, the old he only killed those that wanted to die.  We have zero idea if he was influencing them at the time or if they were in sound mind at the time.  If a person says I would like to die and you immediately kill them instead of trying to help them is that right?  Also Cole has a huge ulterior motive as their deaths keep him alive and relevant.  With is abilities he could have just as easily helped them escape their plight, instead he murders them.  It has been shown numerous times in these games that demons can get you to do what they want you to do.

Hopefully we'll get to educate Cole in what "Helping' actually is.