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[Medhia_Nox]

This talk is such a playground for blood magic.

 

And a mage that holds a Title outside of the Circle - should be barred from a title within. 

[Adanu]

This talk is such a playground for blood magic.

 

And a mage that holds a Title outside of the Circle - should be barred from a title within. 

You talk as if blood magic is bad/evil and should be a 'bad' subject?

[Medhia_Nox]

@Adanu:  I do talk that way don't I.

[herkles]

You talk as if blood magic is bad/evil and should be a 'bad' subject?

For most people in thedas, and this goes for mages even Anders, consider blood magic evil. Weather it is or not IMO is not the point, the fact is most people in thedas view it as evil. 

 

Though I do wonder if there is a defense against blood magic classes for mages and templars. 

[sylvanaerie]

For most people in thedas, and this goes for mages even Anders, consider blood magic evil. Weather it is or not IMO is not the point, the fact is most people in thedas view it as evil. 

 

Though I do wonder if there is a defense against blood magic classes for mages and templars. 

Litany of Adralla.

[Medhia_Nox]

@herkles:  I have a great defense against blood mages - kill them.  Studying blood magic is a choice... the "poor me I'm a victim born with a terrible curse" excuse doesn't apply.

 

But if you want a less hyperbolic answer - the Litany of Adralla is the only defense I'm aware of against having your mind taken over.

[Keroko]

Physical training. Yes, in my opinion, physical training, and not only magical, will help Mages develop more self-discipline, wield their powers with more precision, and vent their hatred, or anger or negative emotions, so in the end they are calmer. In my opinion a person who does not physically train, does not have the same peace of mind compared to someone who does. It will help even out their stress levels, and it will, in my opinion, reduce the chances they lose their vigilance or self-control by a lot.
 
Since they can become abominations by loss of control, this will help reduce the problem, or even eradicate it.

I would disagree on this part. From the people I know, those who find training calming tend to also be the people who like it, and they certainly seem to have more or less self control because of it. Those who do not enjoy physical training only find it increasing their annoyance.

I think it should be encouraged, but not mandatory. Let those who find relaxation in other things in life practice those instead.

For most people in thedas, and this goes for mages even Anders, consider blood magic evil. Weather it is or not IMO is not the point, the fact is most people in thedas view it as evil.

Though I do wonder if there is a defense against blood magic classes for mages and templars.

The only way we can find out is by studying it.

One of the reasons blood magic is considered so dangerous is that the study of anything regarding it is considered forbidden. I would mandate each and every mage learn the Litany of Andrala by heart and let a select group of senior enchanters study the art to develop more effective countermeasures.

First order of business being how to detect someone being under blood magic control. Second order being how to get them away from that control.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Its not fair to me that mages can't gain titles. I'm in favor of overturning that. I mean, a mage may be perfectly suited to hold power while a non-mage that actually does may suck. Plus - stripping people of their inheritance - I don't like it.

I've given up on the idea that life in Thedas can be fair. I'm just trying to minimize the injustices.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Keroko:  You and I are of similar minds about blood magic. 

[lil yonce]

I've given up on the idea that life in Thedas can be fair. I'm just trying to minimize the injustices.

Against who?

[Beerfish]

 I would mandate each and every mage learn the Litany of Andrala by heart and let a select group of senior enchanters study the art to develop more effective countermeasures.

First order of business being how to detect someone being under blood magic control. Second order being how to get them away from that control.

I dunno, pretty dangerous no matter what, its the senior enchanters who have done the most harm with blood magic if you ask me.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Against who?

Everyone.

[Keroko]

I dunno, pretty dangerous no matter what, its the senior enchanters who have done the most harm with blood magic if you ask me.

Blood magic is already dangerous, which means that doing nothing is dangerous.

We don't have the luxury of doing nothing. Research at least offers a chance to lessen, if not eliminate the danger.

[lil yonce]

Everyone.

So - essentially mages give up their titles to protect non-mages from... something? And what will non-mages do to protect powerless mages?

[fizzypop]

Don't agree with her, but I knew I wouldn't. I'm anti-circle and pro-mage.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

So - essentially mages give up their titles to protect non-mages from... something? And what will non-mages do to protect powerless mages?

Mages don't receive their titles because someone with both magic and their ancestral fiefs will have more power individually than I'm comfortable with any one person having. (Except for the head of the Inquisition, who could be a mage who rose through the ranks in the ways specified for mages, or a Templar or ordinary soldier who'd done the same.) The idea of this is to protect basically everyone, by making it harder for one person to accumulate power except through service and selflessness.

 

The counterbalance to this, as I'd previously stated, is that the First Enchanter (who will be strictly vetted to make sure that he or she is not the sort of person I'm trying to keep away from power by this expedient) would have political power on the level of a midlevel nobleman and guaranteed access to someone else in the Inquisition with the power to say any competing power nay. (This person will also need to be vetted to ensure he neither favors the FE where he/she should not nor withholds aid the FE should be getting.)

 

(Of course, this assumes that any of this is possible game-mechanically. I'm not sure what of this I can and can't do.)

[sylvanaerie]

Mages don't receive their titles because someone with both magic and their ancestral fiefs will have more power individually than I'm comfortable with any one person having. (Except for the head of the Inquisition, who could be a mage who rose through the ranks in the ways specified for mages, or a Templar or ordinary soldier who'd done the same.) The idea of this is to protect basically everyone, by making it harder for one person to accumulate power except through service and selflessness.

 

The counterbalance to this, as I'd previously stated, is that the First Enchanter (who will be strictly vetted to make sure that he or she is not the sort of person I'm trying to keep away from power by this expedient) would have political power on the level of a midlevel nobleman and guaranteed access to someone else in the Inquisition with the power to say any competing power nay. (This person will also need to be vetted to ensure he neither favors the FE where he/she should not nor withholds aid the FE should be getting.)

 

(Of course, this assumes that any of this is possible game-mechanically. I'm not sure what of this I can and can't do.)

What does "vetted" mean?

[herkles]

What does "vetted" mean?

From M-W dictionary

 

 

1.)to investigate (someone) thoroughly to see if they should be approved or accepted for a job

2.)to check (something) carefully to make sure it is acceptable

[sylvanaerie]

Well, that sounds really reasonable to me.  Sort of like a 'checks and balances' type of thing.  And making sure the person doing the job is the right person for the job.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Well, that sounds really reasonable to me.  Sort of like a 'checks and balances' type of thing.  And making sure the person doing the job is the right person for the job.

That's the plan. I know it's going to break down eventually and the system will be corrupted, but I'm hoping the fact that I can't see how it'll start is a sign that I've managed to put off the decline for centuries.

[Keroko]

To be fair to the Chantry, the Seekers did manage to keep templar corruption to a minimum for about a thousand years.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

To be fair to the Chantry, the Seekers did manage to keep templar corruption to a minimum for about a thousand years.

I should do so well.

[lil yonce]

Mages don't receive their titles because someone with both magic and their ancestral fiefs will have more power individually than I'm comfortable with any one person having. (Except for the head of the Inquisition, who could be a mage who rose through the ranks in the ways specified for mages, or a Templar or ordinary soldier who'd done the same.) The idea of this is to protect basically everyone, by making it harder for one person to accumulate power except through service and selflessness.

 

The counterbalance to this, as I'd previously stated, is that the First Enchanter (who will be strictly vetted to make sure that he or she is not the sort of person I'm trying to keep away from power by this expedient) would have political power on the level of a midlevel nobleman and guaranteed access to someone else in the Inquisition with the power to say any competing power nay. (This person will also need to be vetted to ensure he neither favors the FE where he/she should not nor withholds aid the FE should be getting.)

 

(Of course, this assumes that any of this is possible game-mechanically. I'm not sure what of this I can and can't do.)

And what about in say, Rivain where the seers have power and function essentially as nobles - do they have to follow these rules in your system too? And if they don't why should anyone else?

[LD Little Dragon]

Getting back to Vivienne's speech. There was one word that really caught my attention

 

The leadership chose to vote on independence based on the intolerable conditions imposed by the Templars,

 

Intolerable

 

Vivienne said intolerable conditions. Not restrictive, not annoying, not even oppressive conditions.

 

Intolerable means just that - something that cannot be tolerated.

 

I don't know what Bioware intended, but that looks to me like a very poor choice of words. To me it makes Vivienne's whole speech sound contradictory.

 

On one hand she calls them spoilt children who rebelled without cause. On the other hand she says they had no choice but to rebel.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And what about in say, Rivain where the seers have power and function essentially as nobles - do they have to follow these rules in your system too? And if they don't why should anyone else?

Oh, good. The people in Rivain might actually approve of the level of power I'm planning on giving the First Enchanters under my system. (This is covered in the second paragraph.)