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[earl of the north]

The Inquisitor can't close the main rift on his own. The war council came to the conclusion that the only way the can gain the enough power to close the main rift is with the help of the Mages Circle boosting his ability.

 

Which stream was it from?

 

That would be a major plot point (on how the main rift can be closed) to give away before the game was even released.

 

Do we need the 'circle mages', there are other sources of mages Tevinter, the Dalish and the Qunari for example, not to mention those mages that have abandoned the rebels like I assume Vivienne.

 

Side note, has anybody mentioned what happened to the tranquilled, did they leave with the rebel mages or did they stay at their posts in the towers.

[efd731]

Everyone forgets that the mages are in a seriously strong position. They are the only ones who can help the Inquisitor close the rift. If the Chantry and local populace march on the mages and destroy them the world is doomed. It will need time for tempers to cool down but then Thedas will have to go to the mages cap in hand asking for their help. Then they can demand whatever they want. 

incorrect. if that were the case than we would have no option but to side with them. however the templars are an option as well, so they obviously have something of equal effectiveness or at least can asssist in the rift's closing. in fact, in the same stream, Cullen states that their anti magic abilities can supress the rift, weakening it, as opposed to the mages who will be able to empower the inquisitors rift closing abilities.

 

edit: not the war council. Lelianna stated the mages were needed. so its a two way deadlock with josephine abstaining. also, if what Cullen said is conjecture, so is what lelianna said. how on earth do we know the mages can empower a completely unique and never before seen power that can close holes in the fabric of reality? 

[frankf43]

Which stream was it from?

 

That would be a major plot point (on how the main rift can be closed) to give away before the game was even released.

 

Do we need the 'circle mages', there are other sources of mages Tevinter, the Dalish and the Qunari for example, not to mention those mages that have abandoned the rebels like I assume Vivienne.

 

Side note, has anybody mentioned what happened to the tranquilled, did they leave with the rebel mages or did they stay at their posts in the towers.

 

 

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Cullen believes that the rift could be suppressed by Templars but no one believes him.

[earl of the north]

incorrect. if that were the case than we would have no option but to side with them. however the templars are an option as well, so they obviously have something of equal effectiveness or at least can asssist in the rift's closing. in fact, in the same stream, Cullen states that their anti magic abilities can supress the rift, weakening it, as opposed to the mages who will be able to empower the inquisitors rift closing abilities.

 

edit: not the war council. Lelianna stated the mages were needed. so its a two way deadlock with josephine abstaining. also, if what Cullen said is conjecture, so is what lelianna said. how on earth do we know the mages can empower a completely unique and never before seen power that can close holes in the fabric of reality? 

 

Sounds more likely other wise there is no choice and you would have to side with the mages, I hope there is a third way with a rebuilt circle system with the templars acting as bodyguards and police when needed rather than jailers.  I assume that would be closer to the original circles than the corrupted system we have seen in DA games.

[The Elder King]

 
9 minutes in.
 
Cullen believes that the rift could be suppressed by Templars but no one believes him.

Leliana doesn't believe him. Cassandra didn't talk after Cullen suggested The templars, and Josie offers no opinion in this regard. She's neutral.

[HiroVoid]

Plot-wise, both ways'll probably work.

[earl of the north]

9 minutes in.

 

Cullen believes that the rift could be suppressed by Templars but no one believes him.

 

That is very early in the game, I think they haven't even left Haven at that point. Its noticeable to me that none of those giving their thoughts about the rift are even mages so why would we take that early discussion as fact. Its the opinions of a seeker, a templar, a rogue and a scribe on how to start to look for a way to close the main rift.

 

Maybe we meet Vivienne as we look in to that idea.

[Shadow Fox]

That is very early in the game, I think they haven't even left Haven at that point. Its noticeable to me that none of those giving their thoughts about the rift are even mages so why would we take that early discussion as fact. Its the opinions of a seeker, a templar, a rogue and a scribe on how to start to look for a way to close the main rift.

 

Maybe we meet Vivienne as we look in to that idea.

But Cullen is a Templar so I think his opinion has some basis.

[Kirikou]

Sounds more likely other wise there is no choice and you would have to side with the mages, I hope there is a third way with a rebuilt circle system with the templars acting as bodyguards and police when needed rather than jailers.  I assume that would be closer to the original circles than the corrupted system we have seen in DA games.

The first circles were put in place by the former slaves of mages. I doubt they were much kinder before.

[earl of the north]

But Cullen is a Templar so I think his opinion has some basis.

 

Doesn't Cassandra have Templar training.....anyway my thought was none of those giving the Inquisitor their opinons were remotely experts on the fade or rifts, magic etc.  So while they might think its a good idea (or bad idea) the first mage they talk to might tell them they are totally wrong.

[earl of the north]

The first circles were put in place by the former slaves of mages. I doubt they were much kinder before.

 

Hardly slaves since there one task apparently was to light the fires in the Chantry, nor is there any lore that suggests they were badly treated or under armed guard since they were apparently able to take control of a chantry and demand changes be made. I doubt they asked to leave the chantries to set up circles  so they could move into towers and to have the templars as their jailers. Which is why I think the system became corrupted over time rather than it being established in that fashion.

 

Edit: Re-reading your post I see you mean the Chantry as the former slaves......not really as the Chantry was not established until some time after the the Tevinter Imperium was defeated. the only lore we have is prety specific that the circles where formed by the choice of mages.  In effect the Chantry reduced its hold over the mages allowing them to be grouped together in numbers and to train in magic with the newly formed  templars acting as a guard. Over a thousand years that system seems to have been corrupted into a oppressive system of control.

[frankf43]

incorrect. if that were the case than we would have no option but to side with them. however the templars are an option as well, so they obviously have something of equal effectiveness or at least can asssist in the rift's closing. in fact, in the same stream, Cullen states that their anti magic abilities can supress the rift, weakening it, as opposed to the mages who will be able to empower the inquisitors rift closing abilities.

 

edit: not the war council. Lelianna stated the mages were needed. so its a two way deadlock with josephine abstaining. also, if what Cullen said is conjecture, so is what lelianna said. how on earth do we know the mages can empower a completely unique and never before seen power that can close holes in the fabric of reality? 

 

So does Cassie and that was after Cullen made his displeasure known. From what they say it sounds like this is an old argument. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Doesn't Cassandra have Templar training.....anyway my thought was none of those giving the Inquisitor their opinons were remotely experts on the fade or rifts, magic etc.  So while they might think its a good idea (or bad idea) the first mage they talk to might tell them they are totally wrong.

Yes, but considering that you apparently get to choose between going to Lambert's Templars or the mage rebels for support I think that using either the mages or the Templars is likely to pan out regardless.

[frankf43]

That is very early in the game, I think they haven't even left Haven at that point. Its noticeable to me that none of those giving their thoughts about the rift are even mages so why would we take that early discussion as fact. Its the opinions of a seeker, a templar, a rogue and a scribe on how to start to look for a way to close the main rift.

 

Maybe we meet Vivienne as we look in to that idea.

 

It's Solas' opinion they they are working off. He is our fade expert. 7:27

[earl of the north]

Yes, but considering that you apparently get to choose between going to Lambert's Templars or the mage rebels for support I think that using either the mages or the Templars is likely to pan out regardless.

Which is why I don't think it is the answer to the question of how to close the the main rift, otherwise why are we wasting time bringing order to Orlais and Fereldan.  All we would need to do is pick a side, defat the other side, nip over to the rift and bob's your uncle jobs done. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Which is why I don't think it is the answer to the question of how to close the the main rift, otherwise why are we wasting time bringing order to Orlais and Fereldan.  All we would need to do is pick a side, defat the other side, nip over to the rift and bob's your uncle jobs done. 

Probably because it needs to be done and you're the most likely person who can accomplish it. Either that, or because you need more soldiers in addition to the ones you get from your alliance with the mages or templars.

[frankf43]

Which is why I don't think it is the answer to the question of how to close the the main rift, otherwise why are we wasting time bringing order to Orlais and Fereldan.  All we would need to do is pick a side, defat the other side, nip over to the rift and bob's your uncle jobs done. 

 

Until you have the power to ensure the side you pick that you can back up your words with force picking a side is useless.  We go to the mages and say help us close the rift and we can ensure you come out of this well. They are going to say how can you ensure that?

[earl of the north]

It's Solas' opinion they they are working off. He is our fade expert. 7:27

 

Cassandra says Solas thinks it might work and since we know very liitle about Solas who is a hedge mage rather than circle mage we have no idea if he's right or wrong or even if he's working off his own agenda.  Given that experts on the fade will have spent a lot of time around demons and spirits he will have to earn my trust.

[frankf43]

on another point I've just realized that Solas is with the Inquisition before you are.  

[earl of the north]

Probably because it needs to be done and you're the most likely person who can accomplish it. Either that, or because you need more soldiers in addition to the ones you get from your alliance with the mages or templars.

 

Maybe but the point of the game is close the rift right?

 

It will be kind of annoying to to know how to close the rift and then be told "but first bring order to the world and then close the rift", seems like it would make more sense to remove the main problem then use the influence that brings you to bring order back to the world.

[earl of the north]

on another point I've just realized that Solas is with the Inquisition before you are.  

 

Do we know when and how anybody is recruited yet?

[frankf43]

Do we know when and how anybody is recruited yet?

 

It's just that he is mentioned as advising the War Council before we are introduced to them.

[earl of the north]

Until you have the power to ensure the side you pick that you can back up your words with force picking a side is useless.  We go to the mages and say help us close the rift and we can ensure you come out of this well. They are going to say how can you ensure that?

 

How can we promise the mages anything, we aren't going to take control of Fereldan or Orlais (I assume) so we cannot give them land and Skyhold is going to get very crowded if we let all the mages move in. 

 

We are going to have to broker some some of peace deal between the chantry, mages and templars to end the conflict and it does makes sense we have to build a power base to do that..  

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Maybe but the point of the game is close the rift right?

 

It will be kind of annoying to to know how to close the rift and then be told "but first bring order to the world and then close the rift", seems like it would make more sense to remove the main problem then use the influence that brings you to bring order back to the world.

It might be that you get the option to do it in that order. I think I remember reading that the game doesn't finish after you beat the main quest.

[The Elder King]

It's just that he is mentioned as advising the War Council before we are introduced to them.

I think Solas found The Inquisition shortly after The Breach event.