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#476
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You can spin it however you like, the game never suggested that Orsino was some diabolical blood mage in disguise plotting to kill all templars. If you remember, if you decide to help him, he actually asks Hawke to investigate and deal with any potential blood mages that are causing problems for the rest of the mages. He is not a bad guy. He is merely pushed into a corner when Meredith decides that no mages deserve to live.

 

 

His research work with Quentin is undeniable. It is literally in an in-game letter and later discussed in game. Orsino shared research notes with a known serial killer and blood mage, and covered up the research work(aka serial killer) that Quentin did.

 

Him having studied blood magic extensively is the only lore consistent explanation for the abilities he demonstrated. Him hiding blood mages within the Circle to keep Meredith from reacting with harsher restrictions is consistent with Orsino's decision to keep information about Quentin secret.

 

Its not all that surprising that some mages study blood magic. We see blood magic advocates on the forums and humans are naturally curious anyways.

 

I never suggested he was diabolically trying to kill all templars. I suggested his actions and abilities are only consistent with that of a powerful blood mage.

 

The game outright states that he protects a serial killer and a blood mage to keep restrictions from being imposed upon the Circle, how much more would he be willing to protect actual blood mages in the Circle(which end up summoning demons in the finale)?


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Templars are not soldiers. We can use DAO as a perfect example to illustrate this. Out of the three treaties the Grey Wardens had to build an army to fight the Archdemon, were any of those for Templars? Didn't guess it? Absolutely not. The treaties were for the Dwarves of Orzammar, the Dalish Elves, and the Mages of Calenhad Lake. Templars are nothing more than guards tasked with subjugating mages. That is their purpose. Any military function they once had fell into obscurity.

 

I can't help it if you fail to see that Cullen could have potentially did something more. If you want to be a pessimist and assume he did the best he could, then go right ahead. Do you really believe the Templar Order was so broken and inefficient that they did not have means of removing corrupt or abusive leaders from power?

 

How can the Arishok have an opinion on someone he never met? The point is the problem stemmed from the templars and the Chantry and it was their mess to clean up. The final nail was the killing of the Viscount's son, and that gave the Arishok an excuse to take the city by force and impose the Qun on all.

 

I have never once stated I was referring to the epilogue. All accounts I have mentioned in regards to Cullen are from in the game at the Calenhad Lake Circle. If not for the Warden's input, Cullen would have slaughtered the rest of the mages without a second thought.

 

How many times must I repeat myself? Do you have a short attention span? I am indifferent to Cullen as a character. This thread was about advisors and I found him to be an ill-qualified choice. It's that simple really. Wow, you continue to lose more and more credibility. You are honestly going to use "likes" as a way to suggest your are "right" and I am "wrong"? I've seen plenty of people type the most absurd comments and receive likes. You really want to make that argument? Be my guest as you are clearly pulling at straws now.

 

I merely stated my opinion about one of the advisors. I cannot help if individuals such as yourselves and others decide to attack irrationally because you do not agree with my views. If you can't even tell you are trolling now, you really should just stop posting.

 

Really, because if you side with the Templars during Broken Circle, exactly what were the Templars doing when they marched on Denerim along with the other forces gathered? Were they heading out for a barbeque? No, they were heading to fight because despite being obstensively guards for the mages, they are nonetheless trained to fight.

 

Your argument that the Templars stopped being trained to fight when they were seperated from the original Inquisition is flawed, because we know that the Templars have been involved in the Exalted Marches and the Blights, a point you repeatedly seem to ignore? The Grey Wardens don't put down their swords and stop training when the Blights aren't on, a Fireman doesn't stop training how to fight fires when none occur, and neither do the Templars stop training to fight as armed force, regardless of their current mandate being to watch over the mages.

 

Are you saying that the Arishok doesn't have spies in Kirkwall, because there are a lot of clues that he does? The Arishok didn't see Meredith as someone worth dealing with, nor did he wish too. I honestly don't understand why the Chantry needed to get involved, nor the Templars, as this was neither a religious matter, not a matter involving mages?

 

Where does he say that? When does he make a move to slaughter all the mages? He argues that you cannot trust that the Mages aren't corrupted and need to dealt with, but he makes no move to do so even after being freed from the prison he was kept in? When he brings this up again, he's quickly overruled by Greagoir almost immediately on that matter, even before the Warden offers his opinion? And after that, he grumbles, but doesn't make any move to do anything?

 

The fact that you've once again returned this to a bashing thread is the reason this discussion is being continued, not due to any lack of attention span on my part? Instead, you seem content to repeatedly dismiss any counter-arguments to your points, from not just myself but multiple other individuals? While I do concede that the "like" system is not particularly indicative of correctness, the fact remains that fairly few people have offered replies that have supported your side in this argument, even if they also dislike Cullen as a character?

 

A rational discussion involves two parties, who may not agree, but are nonetheless willing to have a reasonable discussion and debate about a certain topic. What is irrational, is to treat anyone who doesn't agree with you as if they're dense, are making personal attacks against you or accuse them of being a troll? Seriously, hands up those who've found my arguments to be trolling in anyway? I've been a tad snarky, sure, but I've tried to be relatively fair when making my points?

 

Can we also return to the actual discussion at hand, which is regarding the advisors and how we'll react to their suggestions within the game? I'd rather the mods not close this thread because we've deviated once again from the topic?


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I might choose to be biased against Leliana (she was my Warden's LI in DA:O so maybe I'll be bitchy to her this time playing as a female mage)



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Really, so it's not a strawman argument to claim that because you have a boss who makes a bad decision, you're responsible for that decision even if there was absolutely no way you could have prevented it?

He participated. He's a willing accessory. He's accountable for mass murder.

 

As for a position for military adviser... I'd have preferred a Warden, quite possibly a new one. Cullen's only here because it's easier to use recurring characters.


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My Dwarfquisitor will probably not hold Cullen in high regard, as I certainly don't. His credentials aren't really that great. Based on what we saw in the intro-demo yeah, there is something there... but it was basically stated that in-universe Cullen was only recruited by Cassandra because of his character, not his skills.

 

Out of universe, it's because he's plot convenient and Bioware's probably hoping to salvage what was an utter travesty in his writing for DAII (great ideas, horrid execution).

 

My Dwarfquisitor will definitely be smitten with Josephine (he's also smitten with Cassandra). So probably a bias there.

 

He's already met Leliana a few times before, though they don't know each other very well.



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He participated. He's a willing accessory. He's accountable for mass murder.
 
As for a position for military adviser... I'd have preferred a Warden, quite possibly a new one. Cullen's only here because it's easier to use recurring characters.

That's really an opinion, not a fact. Also, while he didn't have much of a backstory, there was Stroud.

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Unless anything he does actually benefits me more so than the options provided by the other advisers I won't really care what Cullen does, thinks, or says. Cullen to me is the (ME1) Kaiden of Dragon-Age with his damn passive-aggressiveness that drives me up a wall.  


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I still maintain that Blackwall/Stroud should have been the military advisor and Cullen a companion.



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That's really an opinion, not a fact. Also, while he didn't have much of a backstory, there was Stroud.

If Meredith called the annulment for what Anders did, and nothing the circle did - as you've said you believe too IIRC - then it was a mass murder.


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Depends on which file. Male human will be a bit reluctant trying to not let his beliefs in the maker,and etc cloud his judgement aka be the hero. As for my male qunari,yeah he's a jerk...enforce order,along with enjoying himself being a super jerk. 



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I wish I could say no, but if any of them (namely Cullen LBR I don't see myself disliking Leliana anytime soon and everything I've seen of Josephine has made me want to hug her forever) start to get on my t*ts, I feel like I'd ignore them even though it's not something my Inquisitor would do.

 

I hope I end up liking all three of them enough for it not to be an issue. They've all got good potential as characters, and if the game says they're qualified, they're qualified AFAIC.



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If Meredith called the annulment for what Anders did, and nothing the circle did - as you've said you believe too IIRC - then it was a mass murder.


I was referring about The advisor part (Cullen being used only because it's easier to bring back recurring characters), not Xil's first statement.

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I was referring about The advisor part (Cullen being used only because it's easier to bring back recurring characters), not Xil's first statement.

How would that be an opinion? We have seen time and time again BioWare recycle minor characters throughout their games to show continuity. That isn't any subjective observation. It's fact. Look at Isabela. Look at Cullen. Look at the asari who was always working on deadly experiments in Mass Effect. There are a variety of characters that continuously pop up.



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How would that be an opinion? We have seen time and time again BioWare recycle minor characters throughout their games to show continuity. That isn't any subjective observation. It's fact. Look at Isabela. Look at Cullen. Look at the asari who was always working on deadly experiments in Mass Effect. There are a variety of characters that continuously pop up.

I never said Bioware don't use minor characters in the following games. I said it's subjective that the only reason for using Cullen is that it's easier to write recurring characters. As I said, there was at least another minor character that Bioware could've used for The role.
Or, as people said, they could've put Wall in his advisor Spot and bring him Cullen as a companion, which people having The choice to recruit him or not, as We can with Bull and Cole.

So yeah, saying that the ONLY reason for having Cullen is easier writing is subjective.

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Even though I was meh on Cullen in DA:O and DAII, I'm willing to give him a chance. Third time is the charm. :)

 

Don't ruin it Cullen :angry: 



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He participated. He's a willing accessory. He's accountable for mass murder.

 

As for a position for military adviser... I'd have preferred a Warden, quite possibly a new one. Cullen's only here because it's easier to use recurring characters.

 

I think Cullen is there because he had a large and vocal fanbase that's been clamoring for him to be a companion (and LI) since DA:O. As much as they might say his inclusion isn't about fanservice...it is. Without that fanbase we probably we would have never heard from him again after DA:O.

 

To be clear I'm not complaining, just making an observation. Since my Warden wasn't a mage I don't have strong opinions about the character one way or the other.

 

I don't have any issues with his inclusion as the military adviser. While there are other characters who could have potentially played that role, he is a senior member of a military order. And assuming he is of noble birth, part of his education would have involved lessons in command. He's at least qualified for the position. 


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To be clear I'm not complaining, just making an observation. Since my Warden wasn't a mage I don't have strong opinions about the character one way or the other.

 

I always wondered if it stemmed from some of the dialogue you can use on Cullen in DA:O. I had my female mage hit on him because the option was there, and he got flustered and bolted down the hallway to never be seen again, which made me laugh.



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Sorry if this was answered already, but do we have to have those 3 advisors? I don't want Cullen anywhere near me. My bias against him is far more than just "i wont listen to his advices". I want to have option to at least kick his butt on his way out of my keep telling him how low i respect anything that he have to say; and i would preferably have a bunch of rats giving me any advice, rather than him.


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Sorry if this was answered already, but do we have to have those 3 advisors?

Yes.


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Sorry if this was answered already, but do we have to have those 3 advisors? I don't want Cullen anywhere near me. My bias against him is far more than just "i wont listen to his advices". I want to have option to at least kick his butt on his way out of my keep telling him how low i respect anything that he have to say; and i would preferably have a bunch of rats giving me any advice, rather than him.

 

Most of the Inquisition would probably think your Inquisitor is either touched in the head or a childish brat. The likelihood of the Inquisitor actually leading anything drops significantly. Experienced Templar commanders that faced large armies of abominations, blood mage torture, Qunari military and simply survived the death trap that is Kirkwall are rare as hell. Then there is only one who actually joins the Inquisition with leadership experience. Cassandra is the closest person you have to replacing Cullen. Whether or not she has the proper leadership skills to replace Cullen is another argument all together.

 

Now will I be biased? Nah I just worship at the feet of the Dark Empress Leliana. May she bring about 3,000 years of darkness. All hail our Empress long may she reign. Still no bias here.


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Any dwarf commander have a lot more experience in leading army,; There could be some mage or elf leader with experience of guerilla warfare. Quinari who led armies in invasions etc. Former prison guard who dont like his prisoners and got angry for them trying to break free and getting promotion only because he survived isnt the best thing i could think of as appropriate military commander in facing invasion. Templars are prison guards, not soldiers, and i dont see how any of his experience is more beneficial in open war than hundreds of other possibilities.



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Any dwarf commander have a lot more experience in leading army,; There could be some mage or elf leader with experience of guerilla warfare. Quinari who led armies in invasions etc. Former prison guard who dont like his prisoners and got angry for them trying to break free and getting promotion only because he survived isnt the best thing i could think of as appropriate military commander in facing invasion. Templars are prison guards, not soldiers, and i dont see how any of his experience is more beneficial in open war than hundreds of other possibilities.

Qunari - Part of a mercenary group. Mercenary work is significantly different from leading and co-ordinating an army but it helps.

Dwarf - You're a lyrium smuggler. Literally no military experience, I reckon.

Elf - You're either the keepers first or a random elf warrior/ranger/rogue send to spy.

Human - Son/daughter of a noble family heavily centered around faith, except if you're a mage. Then you're sent packing.

None of these backgrounds lay a foundation for a general, the closets being either the Qunari or the human but that's vague.
 



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Ohh i didnt meam my character. I mean some newly introduced side character, instead of cullen, who can be a lot more suited as military commander than him, as a point that my kicking him out wouldnt be unreasonable, giving he is nothing special as a war leader.



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I rather like all of them. I intend to favor one over the others consistently only when it makes sense for the character I'm roleplaying.