Ohh i didnt meam my character. I mean some newly introduced side character, instead of cullen, who can be a lot more suited as military commander than him, as a point that my kicking him out wouldnt be unreasonable, giving he is nothing special as a war leader.
You not liking his character doesn't make him less suited to the task.
Ohh i didnt meam my character. I mean some newly introduced side character, instead of cullen, who can be a lot more suited as military commander than him, as a point that my kicking him out wouldnt be unreasonable, giving he is nothing special as a war leader.
Dwarves are far more used to fighting darkspawn or dealing with game of thrones esque backstabbing. Darkspawn with proper leadership can be a big threat. Most darkspawn the Dwarves fight aren't going to be the same as abominations, demons, army of rogue mages ectetera. A skilled Dwarven commander you would want is unlikely to be above ground. Even with Bhelen in charge its unlikely he's going to give a small but well known group help just because. He's pragmatic but won't like to invest in a untested group. Any Qunari who have led forces into battle would be mercenary leaders.
Assuming we do get a experienced Dwarven commander or even Dalish Keeper that still wouldn't help. The large conflict involves demons, mages and Templars. Cullen has not only a good amount of experience dealing with all three of those things, he has also experienced events that caused a lot of the chaos. Cullen not only fits as a military leader (he has led the Templars into combat multiple times against powerful demons and abominations) he can help bring in Templars to the Inquisition.
Now if you still want to say Cullen is a prison guard then sure. Most prison guards I've heard of had to survive an prison break consisting of people who can make your blood sizzle, demons that can rip you apart with their minds, and a mix that will torture you endlessly making you forget whats real. Oh and those same prison guards will go off and be second in command of a Templar force that is in charge of trying to make sure Kirkwall is being drowned in blood in demons. Oh and they even survive a Qunari invasion led by an Arishok. That is the life of a prison guard.
Honestly, I'll let the advisers (and companions) say what they have to say and depending to the playthrough, I'll try some different things. For the first playthrough, it will be no question for me except following Lelliana... and a bit Cullen in case of big fight if there is any. (reinforcements, battles ,etc.)
About the origins of the inquisitor, I'll have to say that in feudal Europe, it was really common for nobles to send their 2nd or 3th son in the army. So, in that case, for the human origin, it may be ok.
About Cullen leading templars in the inquisition now, I'm a lot of skeptical. In fact, don't forget that he resigned being a templar if my memory is correct so it will be difficult for him to make some other to leave the order. However, about the role of leading armies, he is the one who is made for it.
Yeah, I'm not really fond of the Templars but you can't deny that they are trained as military. They're the ones who fight in exalted marches, aren't they? Presumably it's not Chantry Sisters/Mothers. Their day-to-day duties are guarding the mages, but that says nothing of their training, especially in the higher ranks, which Cullen is in DA2.
Honestly, if the canon tells you Cullen has successfully led armed forces before (after Meredith's death presumably), it's no real use going "no, actually he hasn't." Would it have made sense to have a new character? Sure. Does it make no sense for Cullen to be your military advisor? No. Story-wise, the Inquisition isn't well-liked, he volunteered, he's qualified, we're keeping him.
They make a point to show he's good at chess, too. Standard narrative shorthand for ~strategic genius~.
They make a point to show he's good at chess, too. Standard narrative shorthand for ~strategic genius~.
Inb4 People are asking Dorian to lead our military.
I understand why some people mentioned Wardens...but why on Earth Cassandra would've recruited a dwarf or a qunari for The role?
You are being recruited because you have been granted a unique power that can solve the problem threatening to destroy the continent. What the recruiters would prefer your race to be isn't really relevant, since while they'd almost certainly be more comfortable talking with a human they're forced to pick on a criteria entirely apart from race.
Or did you mean for a military advisor? Because while that's less constrained, you still need to pick practically rather than because of racism. If Cullen wasn't in view, a commander of a very large mercenary company might have been necessary, and dwarves and qunari could as easily fit the part as anyone else.
I understand why some people mentioned Wardens...but why on Earth Cassandra would've recruited a dwarf or a qunari for The role?
Advisors are stuck with you, and it's possible that while they'll disagree with you they'll never be really against you. Patrick Weekes' assquisitor wasn't enough to ****** them off.
Speaking of Mr. Weekes' assquisitor - I wonder how much of one we can really be. IIRC - Cullen didn't like the inquisitor's lack of focus/sidequesting. I mean, I just want a proper assh*le retort. Something like - "You don't tell me how to do my job - I won't tell you how you should've done yours in Kirkwall." Evil, yes, I know. But I'd love to know his reaction to that.
Speaking of Mr. Weekes' assquisitor, I wonder how much of one we can really be. IIRC - Cullen didn't like the inquisitor's lack of focus/sidequesting. I mean, I just want a proper assh*le retort. Something like - "You don't tell me how to do my job - I won't tell you how you should've done yours in Kirkwall." Evil, yes, I know. But I'd love to know his reaction to that.
From what I understand, probably in a crushed, guilty manner.
If it helps, he's not actually a templar anymore; he left the Order.
Inb4 People are asking Dorian to lead our military.
But that makes perfect sense! He's from Tevinter, and Tevinter fights the Qunari with armies and stuff! Oh, and he's a noble, so he was trained to lead armies, because that's how it works, right? And he plays chess, which only smart, tactically people do. And he wears white and has a mustache! I think that Alexander guy wore white once, and he conquered all kinds of places. And Hitler had a moustache, and I don't see anyone doubting his military cred. I'm sure Dorian knows all about siege tactics, proper usage of cavalry, terrain, flanking, order of battle, troop dispositions, artillery and its deployment, discipline in the ranks, training of recruits, magical healing, and it's widespread application. How hard could that be?
/sarcasm
If it helps, he's not actually a templar anymore; he left the Order.
so why he is not go in argentinastarhaven and we will never see him again
this "i am not templar anymore" kinda makes me not like and respect him as cassandra with Lelianna even more
he is portraited as some kind of "hero of kirkwal" but he's place with his meredith and elthina and all others what he is support and because of him happened what happened in kirkwall for 10 years
But that makes perfect sense! He's from Tevinter, and Tevinter fights the Qunari with armies and stuff! Oh, and he's a noble, so he was trained to lead armies, because that's how it works, right? And he plays chess, which only smart, tactically people do. And he wears white and has a mustache! I think that Alexander guy wore white once, and he conquered all kinds of places. And Hitler had a moustache, and I don't see anyone doubting his military cred.I'm sure Dorian knows all about siege tactics, proper usage of cavalry, terrain, flanking, order of battle, troop dispositions, artillery and its deployment, discipline in the ranks, training of recruits, magical healing, and it's widespread application. How hard could that be?
/sarcasm
Since when do templars know anything about siege tactics, cavalry, terrain beyond their own towers, flanking or order of battle in anything that isn't a tight space, or artillery?
I was Talking about The advisor, yes.You are being recruited because you have been granted a unique power that can solve the problem threatening to destroy the continent. What the recruiters would prefer your race to be isn't really relevant, since while they'd almost certainly be more comfortable talking with a human they're forced to pick on a criteria entirely apart from race.
Or did you mean for a military advisor? Because while that's less constrained, you still need to pick practically rather than because of racism. If Cullen wasn't in view, a commander of a very large mercenary company might have been necessary, and dwarves and qunari could as easily fit the part as anyone else.
Nope. He restored order in Kirkwall and didn't join The Templars at war with The mages.So he fled to Argentina, I mean, the Forstback Mountains?
Leliana was never a templar or a Seekerso why he is not go in
argentinastarhaven and we will never see him again
this "i am not templar anymore" kinda makes me not like and respect him as cassandra with Lelianna even more
he is portraited as some kind of "hero of kirkwal" but he's place with his meredith and elthina and all others what he is support and because of him happened what happened in kirkwall for 10 years
. She always worked for The Divine. For What reason she should've joined The templars?
Since when do templars know anything about siege tactics, cavalry, terrain beyond their own towers, flanking or order of battle in anything that isn't a tight space, or artillery?
Since when do templars know anything about siege tactics, cavalry, terrain beyond their own towers, flanking or order of battle in anything that isn't a tight space, or artillery?
they do not and never know
they are in common less experienced warriors than even some city-villiage guards...they are not a soldiers
most of what they need is obedience of orders and to have some magic block stuff for what they need more and more lyrium
templars is mages hunters and jailors, even small childrens can beat them
seekers is the only soldiers but even them too is mostly executers and bodyguards rather than real soldiers
Since when do templars know anything about siege tactics, cavalry, terrain beyond their own towers, flanking or order of battle in anything that isn't a tight space, or artillery?
Oh, hey Xil! Sorry, didn't recognize you. Guess you got tired of Morinth?
Anyway, make no mistake, The Templars are an army. I think Cullen even tells you that in DA2. Guarding mages is just kind of their day-job, like how soldiers help with natural disasters when they're not out shooting people. Templars are called on by the Chantry to fight all the time, in Exalted Marches, Blights, even a few border wars (Evangeline mentioned that in Asunder, IIRC). Sure, they might not have a ton of practical experience, anymore than any other army in peace time, but the training, knowledge, tradition, and mindset are there. I don't know if you saw my big post a few pages back, but Cullen is a very experienced combatant, even for a Templar.
They fought in wars. Maybe they study those things.
Centuries ago... there's a definite tendency towards complacency that Thedas seems to show, which was most prominent in Origins.
Oh, hey Xil! Sorry, didn't recognize you. Guess you got tired of Morinth?
Anyway, make no mistake, The Templars are an army. I think Cullen even tells you that in DA2. Guarding mages is just kind of their day-job, like how soldiers help with natural disasters when they're not out shooting people. Templars are called on by the Chantry to fight all the time, in Exalted Marches, Blights, even a few border wars (Evangeline mentioned that in Asunder, IIRC). Sure, they might not have a ton of practical experience, anymore than any other army in peace time, but the training, knowledge, tradition, and mindset are there. I don't know if you saw my big post a few pages back, but Cullen is a very experienced combatant, even for a Templar.
I've never seen anything at all either in Kinloch Hold, the Gallows, or even the White Spire to indicate that the templars have regular army training or any facilities for it in any of their holdings. And I think Exalted Marches are fought largely by requisitioned troops from the Chantry's subject nations, as the templars are rather wasted confronting mundane enemies, especially since lyrium makes them a lot more expensive to maintain.
Oh, hey Xil! Sorry, didn't recognize you. Guess you got tired of Morinth?
Anyway, make no mistake, The Templars are an army. I think Cullen even tells you that in DA2. Guarding mages is just kind of their day-job, like how soldiers help with natural disasters when they're not out shooting people. Templars are called on by the Chantry to fight all the time, in Exalted Marches, Blights, even a few border wars (Evangeline mentioned that in Asunder, IIRC). Sure, they might not have a ton of practical experience, anymore than any other army in peace time, but the training, knowledge, tradition, and mindset are there. I don't know if you saw my big post a few pages back, but Cullen is a very experienced combatant, even for a Templar.
they are used mostly to guard mages in armies and do some of their magic block what is useless against deamons and experienced mages
they are useless and this is why there is rare to see them as grey wardens
their squads hunt apostages mages and work as jailors when some guard chantry..most of their training is how to use lyrium powers not how to fight with swords...they even ban mages to have and use swords and wear armors because templars will be wiped
they are very bad warriors and they are not warriors but no more than guard and jailors....seekers is the only real warriors of Orlais Chantry and even them mostly executors-assasins who hunt and kill and bodyguard of high priests and divine
and about Cullen he was one of the worst templar what we see...he was a very bad warrior and especially commander and he is became captain because meredith like him and he was very loyal to her
how he can command a bunch of temlars(iam no talking about others becausee we have a many different soldiers in inquisition) if he cant make few of what he was trusted to survive...he was nothing and he as somekind of military advisor and general is like a joke
Alistair explained it, the Templars are an army. You may wish to think of them otherwise, but DA canon disagrees.
Now, let's get this thread back on topic people.
You have three advisors, keep the personal likes/dislikes out of it, and focus on specialties. Are you biased towards diplomacy, espionage or the military?
Since when do templars know anything about siege tactics, cavalry, terrain beyond their own towers, flanking or order of battle in anything that isn't a tight space, or artillery?
In addition to the fact that the Templars might well need to put down a mundane threat to the Chantry's power (we know they've done it before, and recently too), a sufficiently cunning apostate, or one born to the right parents, might require any or all of these skills to put down.
Yep, exactly, Templars may have studied the war, but study and practice is totally different things, i would choose hardened and experienced dwarven commander than highest academy ranking templar any day for leading my armies.
As for the topic, i have bias toward military, since for what i understand the threat is mostly military threat. but i have very strong bias against Cullen (or templars) so i wonder how that will work in my plathrough.
Templars are trained warriors/mage hunters. They have also participated in Exalted Marches multiple times. As the military arm of the Chantry its far more likely that as a whole they have been trained properly if necessary to fight in a war ehther against mages or a conventional force. Its ridiculous to assume they only know how to fight mages and demons. If that's because of what Alistair said remember he is likely not the most reliable person in regard to information on the Templars. He hasn't even been with the order as long as the average Templar.
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