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[The Elder King]

@Asdrubal Vaect: Orlais has Chevaliers, who are probably The best human warriors in Thedas.

[Asdrubael Vect]

@Asdrubal Vaect: Orlais has Chevaliers, who are probably The best human warriors in Thedas.

yeah tevinter, nevarra and ferelden and not only them, heard this rumor maded by the chivaliers themselfs

 

portraiting themselfs does not make them best, they never was and as we can understand they will never be

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

You have three advisors, keep the personal likes/dislikes out of it, and focus on specialties. Are you biased towards diplomacy, espionage or the military?

I think I remember posting previously on this thread that I'd be biased towards Josephine because I'm planning to sleep with her, but to some degree the reverse is also true. Her mindset of seeing as few people dead as possible, and the fact that her job is to ensure that this vision becomes reality, really appeals to me.

[The Elder King]

Yep, exactly, Templars may have studied the war, but study and practice is totally different things, i would choose hardened and experienced dwarven commander than highest academy ranking templar any day for leading my armies.

The experienced Dwarven Commander isn't probably going to leave Orzammar for The inquisition.

[Asdrubael Vect]

The experienced Dwarven Commander isn't probably going to leave Orzammar for The inquisition.

ogren does as many others

 

thedas have many experienced people who is far far better suited for that role

[Hillbillyhat]

Yep, exactly, Templars may have studied the war, but study and practice is totally different things, i would choose hardened and experienced dwarven commander than highest academy ranking templar any day for leading my armies.

 

When have the Dwarves fought in a large major conflict? They've fought Darkspawn in the deeproads in skirmishes. Very often but not a large major conflict let alone one with Demons and Abominations. Hell what are their plans in regard to siege strategy? Considering the battlefield they operate on their siege tactics should be largely different from ours. 

 

Hell a Qunari would be more effective in the end. Even then I've already stated multiple reasons earlier why that simply won't happen. The Inquisition isn't fighting a conventional force. They largely have to go after beings that pimp slap conventional troops around. What would a Dwarven commander have to say on how Inquisition forces should evade or attack a mage or Templar force? What would the commander have to say about the usefulness of any group in dealing with the Rift?

[The Elder King]

yeah tevinter, nevarra and ferelden and not only them, heard this rumor maded by the chivaliers themselfs

Considering how The chevaliers are trained, and The chevalier We saw in TME, yes, they're The best warriors.
Also, Tevinter is more Renown for magic then warriors, and to put Ferelden together with powers like Tevinter, Nevarra or Orlais is just hilarious.
But Considering you said children can beat templars, I shouldn't probably Be surprised by what you say.

[The Elder King]

ogren does as many others
 
thedas have many experienced people who is far far better suited for that role

Oghren was disgraced and had no place anymore in Orzammar. The other dwarves won't leave Orzammar that easily.

[In Exile]

You are being recruited because you have been granted a unique power that can solve the problem threatening to destroy the continent. What the recruiters would prefer your race to be isn't really relevant, since while they'd almost certainly be more comfortable talking with a human they're forced to pick on a criteria entirely apart from race.

Or did you mean for a military advisor? Because while that's less constrained, you still need to pick practically rather than because of racism. If Cullen wasn't in view, a commander of a very large mercenary company might have been necessary, and dwarves and qunari could as easily fit the part as anyone else.

I think the real question is where would Cassandra find this super qualified military general dwarf? It's not as if she can search profiles on Thedaslinkedin.

And why would Bhelen give up a loyalist general? He's likely purged everyone disloyal so he needs talent. And why would Harrowmont? He's anti-surface.

Where would Cassandra find a Tal-Vasoth who wouldn't murder her onsite to lead the armies of the Inquisition? And it's not like she can Skype the Arishok and ask if she can hire him.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Considering how The chevaliers are trained, and The chevalier We saw in TME, yes, they're The best warriors.
Also, Tevinter is more Renown for magic then warriors, and to put Ferelden together with powers like Tevinter, Nevarra or Orlais is just hilarious.
But Considering you said children can beat templars, I shouldn't probably Be surprised by what you say.

yeah we are know, read and see(especialy in DA Mark of assasin) how they trained and who they trained to be chilvaliers and for what they are trained

 

even ferelden peasants beat chivaliers i am not talking about nevarra and tevinter who was not loose any war against anyone..and yeah they have a very good non-mages warriors and army

 

you can see that in DA comix what show us templars in ferelden before 5 blight 

[Hillbillyhat]

ogren does as many others

 

thedas have many experienced people who is far far better suited for that role

 

 

 

When was the last time Oghren was in command during anything but skirmishes? I will say he is the only Dwarf who is even close to the role, but no one but Leliana knows or can even trust him. Cullen is a known player and has enough experience in one of the main conflicts in the game to be more useful than Oghren would be. If this was about killing Darkspawn than Oghren would be better, but its not and he would be better off with the Wardens.

 

I will admit there are more experienced people but most people available for that role are few and far between. Not to mention those who are available might not necessarily be right politically and even strategically surprisingly. Cullen likely commands plenty of loyalty amongst the Inquisition's soldiers and even knows the groups strengths and weaknesses better than most. Cullen was just the most practical pick  in the time they had. Loyal to the cause, experienced, and has insight on one of the major causes of the conflict.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Where would Cassandra find a Tal-Vasoth who wouldn't murder her onsite to lead the armies of the Inquisition?

The same place Howe and Marjolaine found their Tal-Vashoth. Which is probably the same place she found Bull. All Tal-Vashoth are not murderous thugs. Some of them are just ordinary hired swords. (There are Vashoth who aren't violent, like Armaas, but they're not Tal-Vashoth since the definition of that term includes violence.)

[Killdren88]

Speaking of Mr. Weekes' assquisitor - I wonder how much of one we can really be. IIRC - Cullen didn't like the inquisitor's lack of focus/sidequesting. I mean, I just want a proper assh*le retort. Something like - "You don't tell me how to do my job - I won't tell you how you should've done yours in Kirkwall." Evil, yes, I know. But I'd love to know his reaction to that.

 

This would please me. But I'd add more spite to it "No..scratch that. Even if I told you what you should have done you would most likely fail doing it anyway."

[Palidane]

Centuries ago... there's a definite tendency towards complacency that Thedas seems to show, which was most prominent in Origins.

 

 

I've never seen anything at all either in Kinloch Hold, the Gallows, or even the White Spire to indicate that the templars have regular army training or any facilities for it in any of their holdings. And I think Exalted Marches are fought largely by requisitioned troops from the Chantry's subject nations, as the templars are rather wasted confronting mundane enemies, especially since lyrium makes them a lot more expensive to maintain.

Maybe. The Dragon Age has been pretty quiet, at least until 9:30

 

I think there is a certain level of gameplay and story segregation at play here. Sure, we don't see a ton of barracks or training grounds in the ingame maps, but lore-wise, we know they exist. I mean, we didn't see any training grounds for the Kirkwall guard, or archery targets for the Dalish elves, but that doesn't mean they don't exist either.

 

And yes, Exalted Marches are mostly composed of levees, but keep in mind, there aren't a lot of professional soldiers in Thedas. Each nation has a small standing army, but usually when a fight starts, they tell a bunch of farmers to drop the pitchfork and pick up a sword. Templars are a professional military, and so will be by default one of the most effective forces on any given battlefield. Also, they have to pay to maintain the Templars anyway, so they might as well get some use out of them.

[Asdrubael Vect]

When was the last time Oghren was in command during anything but skirmishes? I will say he is the only Dwarf who is even close to the role, but no one but Leliana knows or can even trust him. Cullen is a known player and has enough experience in one of the main conflicts in the game to be more useful than Oghren would be. If this was about killing Darkspawn than Oghren would be better, but its not and he would be better off with the Wardens.

 

I will admit there are more experienced people but most people available for that role are few and far between. Not to mention those who are available might not necessarily be right politically and even strategically surprisingly. Cullen likely commands plenty of loyalty amongst the Inquisition's soldiers and even knows the groups strengths and weaknesses better than most. Cullen was just the most practical pick  in the time they had. Loyal to the cause, experienced, and has insight on one of the major causes of the conflict.

1)ogren can become a general of ferelden...famous mercenary..and offcourse he ends like grey warden officer in amarantine and if wynne have so much famous so oghen would be not less

 

oghen is justs a berry on a huge cake as son of dwarven king and lefted childrens of harromount...thedas is full of many peoples..and dwarfs are not so rare

 

cullen do not have any experience exept very bad and especially in DA2 when he is almost do nothing and then he is do he is do some crap

 

2)if we talk about inquisitor party he will met and already have peolples who are far far better than cullen

 

blackwall 

 

cassandra 

 

iron bull(yes he is a qunari spy but he is not the only one leader of mercenaries)

 

those 3 at least....the best candidate from them is blackwall

[The Elder King]

yeah we are know, read and see(especialy in DA Mark of assasin) how they trained and who they trained to be chilvaliers and for what they are trained
 
even ferelden peasants beat chivaliers i am not talking about nevarra and tevinter who was not loose any war against anyone..and yeah they have a very good non-mages warriors and army
 
you can see that in DA comix

Another one of your hilarious statements, though it doesn't reach The children beating templars .
Don't know What MotA shown, but if it's gameplay, it doesn't mean much. Abominations are supposed to be serious threats and they're most of the time laughable opponents.
I never said Tevinter doesn't have good soldiers.

It's obvious you're biased against Orlais and The Chantry, so it's useless to continue this discussion. I just Leave this link here, which presents The training of The chevaliers (and again, read TME and see What a chevalier is capable of)
http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Chevalier


I don't personally like Orlais. If doesn't change The fact that The chevaliers are really powerful, and saying that Peasants can beat them means you're in denial.
But you once said it was obvious that Josephine was Isabela, so I'll be prepare to whatever you'll say in the future .

[Ponku]

When have the Dwarves fought in a large major conflict? They've fought Darkspawn in the deeproads in skirmishes. Very often but not a large major conflict let alone one with Demons and Abominations. Hell what are their plans in regard to siege strategy? Considering the battlefield they operate on their siege tactics should be largely different from ours. 

 

Hell a Qunari would be more effective in the end. Even then I've already stated multiple reasons earlier why that simply won't happen. The Inquisition isn't fighting a conventional force. They largely have to go after beings that pimp slap conventional troops around. What would a Dwarven commander have to say on how Inquisition forces should evade or attack a mage or Templar force? What would the commander have to say about the usefulness of any group in dealing with the Rift?

But Cullen is not here as our small skirmish tactician, but as a strategy advisor and military commander of inquisition forves. For that kind of job dwarven experience woul work better. To strategize how to alocate troops, how to divide forces and battle a tjreat on many sides. I unfortunately must agree that he woul work good as party mber or small squad commander, but not as a army general.

[Elfquisitor]

This Opinion fits mine perfectly I do not understand why Cassandra would promote him to such a position he isn't even qualified to undertake. He also comes of as being a misoganistic fool.

Calling an ex-Knight Commander of the templar order not qualified is ABSOLUTE nonsense.

[Palidane]

Also, misogynistic? Dude, WTF? The guy works for the Chantry, and served under a woman for 10 years.

 

Jesus, you Cullen-haters are really reaching.

 

Edit: Sorry, thought Elfquisitor was quoting someone on this page, not from the beginning of the thread. Disregard and carry on.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Another one of your hilarious statements, though it doesn't reach The children beating templars .
Don't know What MotA shown, but if it's gameplay, it doesn't mean much. Abominations are supposed to be serious threats and they're most of the time laughable opponents.
I never said Tevinter doesn't have good soldiers.

It's obvious you're biased against Orlais and The Chantry, so it's useless to continue this discussion. I just Leave this link here, which presents The training of The chevaliers (and again, read TME and see What a chevalier is capable of)
http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Chevalier


I don't personally like Orlais. If doesn't change The fact that The chevaliers are really powerful, and saying that Peasants can beat them means you're in denial.
But you once said it was obvious that Josephine was Isabela, so I'll be prepare to whatever you'll say in the future .

you will see this in da comix ...the first ones))) and yeah they mostly hunt children mages and mostly fail to do so

 

about MOTA i am not talking about gameplay when we easily kill all of them..even if many of what they do and how was showned in cut-scenes when they are beaten by others...i think you better play this again and see as heard them again

 

i know who chivaliers is and what they are...they can portrrait themselfs horever they like but this does not change fact thet they are a piece of trash, clown, servants for orlais high nobles to fight with bees and change them pants...they are useless bunch of low nobles with right to do all sh*t what they want and only their commander can stop them but many will not

 

even devs claimed than orlais is portrait themself more them they are..and Da history shows us who is who and who is not

 

Chilvaliers with his Megren was beaten mostly(they have some dead legion dwarfs and some elfs) by ferelden peasants..they was beated by so many ones for decades since their creation that it is funny to look at this clowns

 

who chivaliers win?..noone...even in the beginning best of them was easily beaten by a girl who was raised as dalish hunter

 

i was said about that she is remind me isabella when we does not have any info and normal picture about her but we know that we have lelianna, morrigan, varrik, cullen, alister and others back and some of them look not 100% like they did in DA2 and DAO...knowing bio this will not surprise me any bit if she would be a isabella...we does not have info about any advisors as herald of andraste in those times

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Also, misogynistic? Dude, WTF? The guy works for the Chantry, and served under a woman for 10 years.

 

Jesus, you Cullen-haters are really reaching.

 

Edit: Sorry, thought Elfquisitor was quoting someone on this page, not from the beginning of the thread. Disregard and carry on.

Actually, I think your point still stands as far as the quoted text.

[Hillbillyhat]

1)ogren can become a general of ferelden...famous mercenary..and offcourse he ends like grey warden officer in amarantine and if wynne have so much famous so oghen would be not less

 

oghen is justs a berry on a huge cake as son of dwarven king and lefted childrens of harromount...thedas is full of many peoples..and dwarfs are not so rare

 

cullen do not have any experience exept very bad and especially in DA2 when he is almost do nothing and then he is do he is do some crap

 

2)if we talk about inquisitor party he will met and already have peolples who are far far better than cullen

 

blackwall 

 

cassandra 

 

iron bull(yes he is a qunari spy but he is not the only one leader of mercenaries)

 

those 3 at least....the best candidate from them is blackwall

 

The Inquisitor himself is a leader of mercenaries and they are not always the same as a conventional military force. Iron Bull is also a leader of mercenaries but again the not the same as a conventional military force. I wouldn't make anyone in Blackwater a general in the US armed forces.

 

But Cullen is not here as our small skirmish tactician, but as a strategy advisor and military commander of inquisition forves. For that kind of job dwarven experience woul work better. To strategize how to alocate troops, how to divide forces and battle a tjreat on many sides. I unfortunately must agree that he woul work good as party mber or small squad commander, but not as a army general.

 

I think you misread my post. I was stating that Dwarves have not fought many major battles other than the Battle of Denerim. They know Darkspawn and Dwarven tactics better than any, but that's pretty much it. They aren't useless in a fight god no, but there is a difference between fighting small groups of enemies and an actual large military force let alone demons. Cullen immediately is over qualified when it comes to mages and demons considering his experience in combating them. He's had experience in sizable battles before (assuming you picked Templars) in the battle of Denerim and the two major conflicts in Kirkwall. The latter two he's been in command positions.

 

 

 

I've already discussed Cassandra earlier in the thread. She likely doesn't want to and also when was the last time we've heard of her actually leading troops, Templars even in to combat with great success? Cullen was already well known for making sure Kirkwall's (likely one of the most screwed up cities in Thedas) Templars brought back order to Kirkwall. Cassandra is a great fighter likely on the level of some of the protagonists, but we don't know much else. Cassandra herself picked Cullen anyway which even lends more credence to the idea of her own lack of ability. Not to mention having a Templar in command can easily get more Templars on their side.

 

Not sure about Blackwall considering we don't know much about him. He's great for rallying and recruiting troops and that's all we know about his command skills. Considering he's a recruiter its likely better to keep him in that role. 

[The Elder King]

@Asdrubal Vaect: The other recurring characters weren't nearly as different as Isabela and Josie are. It didn't make any sense that she'd decide to serve as a diplomat.
The legendary Aveline wasn't beating chevaliers, or at least The legend didn't specify who she was fighting, other then nobles.
I don't have MOTA, so by all means, enlighten me.
The fact that templars don't always manage to find mage children doesn't mean a child can beat them.
Chevaliers aren't servants. And The fact that they have The power to do anything and they often abuse it (which I heavily dislike) isn't relevant to their combat abilities. I was strictly talking about combat abilities.

[Hillbillyhat]

To be more specific with Oghren he's more capable as a Grey Warden than a military leader in the Inquisition. The main enemy of the grey wardens and the Templars are very different. It just so happens that the Templars are a huge part of the conflict. Naturally a leader sympathetic to the Inqusition, experienced in warfare, and first hand knowledge of the issue that started the Mage Templar conflict is more qualified than Oghren.

[Asdrubael Vect]

@Asdrubal Vaect: The other recurring characters weren't nearly as different as Isabela and Josie are. It didn't make any sense that she'd decide to serve as a diplomat.
The legendary Aveline wasn't beating chevaliers, or at least The legend didn't specify who she was fighting, other then nobles.
I don't have MOTA, so by all means, enlighten me.
The fact that templars don't always manage to find mage children doesn't mean a child can beat them.
Chevaliers aren't servants. And The fact that they have The power to do anything and they often abuse it (which I heavily dislike) isn't relevant to their combat abilities. I was strictly talking about combat abilities.

1)it was before we know about any advisors and other things...and she is rich antivan pirate and know many peoples....i would rather vote for varrick as spy or diplomat

 

2)she was and the best of them and she was a real person and they do a law about females knights

3)look at youtube atleast.and read about young maric and logain..in this they showed real chivaliers not some michele and few elite ones who do some thing at least with deamons what rather impossible for non-mages with usual weapons and those deamons does not use any what they should use

4)they can be beaten by non-mages clidrens this is fact as they they are not a real warriosr and soldiers...and they as always need not less than a squad to hunt 1 mage even if this is a 1 child and they know it

5)they are as bards servant and inherited by high ranking nobles...and yeah they as templars have rights to do what they want with many peoples, especially common and low nobles

 

6)their combat abilities is very bad and this is the truth..they do some training but still they are loose and after Me i am understand why they always loose...even if they would have some strength they are real idiots

 

chivaliers as many orlais peoples portrait themself more than they are