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[Palidane]

Not sure how we got off on this, but guys, Chevaliers are total badasses. Read The Masked Empire, these guys make Aragorn look like Frodo. Michel, one of the very best, once killed 8 men in about that many seconds. Without a doubt the greatest collection of Warriors in Thedas.

[john-in-france]

Not sure how we got off on this, but guys, Chevaliers are total badasses. Read The Masked Empire, these guys make Aragorn look like Frodo. Michel, one of the very best, once killed 8 men in about that many seconds. Without a doubt the greatest collection of Warriors in Thedas.

 

Have you seen the advisor perks from Cullen? His pre-Templar background may be interesting if they are anything to go by. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Have you seen the advisor perks from Cullen? His pre-Templar background may be interesting if they are anything to go by. 

He'd struck me in the Mage origin as entirely too green to have an interesting pre-Templar background, though on the other hand he may be of noble birth and have some family friends he can call on. (Or is that not consistent with those perks?)

[Palidane]

Have you seen the advisor perks from Cullen? His pre-Templar background may be interesting if they are anything to go by. 

Have not, actually. Care to give me the highlights?

[john-in-france]

He'd struck me in the Mage origin as entirely too green to have an interesting pre-Templar background, though on the other hand he may be of noble birth and have some family friends he can call on. (Or is that not consistent with those perks?)

 

The perks were shown by Mike Laidlaw and Cameron Lee in the Twitch introducing the inquisitor to the Advisors, and yes if perks are indicative of Advisors knowledge that can be taught to the inquisition...it opens some interesting questions. Not long now until we know for sure.

 

I for one will do everything to upgrade my soldiers/scouts/diplomats before considering fripperies...but then I remember DAA and the consequences of not doing so.

[john-in-france]

Have not, actually. Care to give me the highlights?

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[Hillbillyhat]

Not sure how we got off on this, but guys, Chevaliers are total badasses. Read The Masked Empire, these guys make Aragorn look like Frodo. Michel, one of the very best, once killed 8 men in about that many seconds. Without a doubt the greatest collection of Warriors in Thedas.

 

I wouldn't go that far since Aragorn is close to superhuman. The thing is not all Chevaliers will be that badass. It probably isn't unusual for some to just absure the **** out of the power and be rather pushovers. However I doubt most of them are like that. Plus I seriously doubt they are the best of the best. Thedas have too many elite forces that can compete.

[Xilizhra]

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[Palidane]

I wouldn't go that far since Aragorn is close to superhuman. The thing is not all Chevaliers will be that badass. It probably isn't unusual for some to just absure the **** out of the power and be rather pushovers. However I doubt most of them are like that. Plus I seriously doubt they are the best of the best. Thedas have too many elite forces that can compete.

Hyperbole. Chevaliers aren't just nobles though. You have to be of noble blood to get in, but it's not like you can pay them a ton of money and get a diploma shipped to you. These guys are hardcore. The few we see in TMI are very, very impressive. Definitely top tier when it comes to combat.

 

And there aren't a lot of other warriors to compete with. The Grey Wardens would give them a run for their money of course, but the elites of other countries don't really seem to compare.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Would you PM me as well?

I'd appreciate it if you PM'd me either a link or the tl;dr, in that order, if you have either.

[Hillbillyhat]

Hyperbole. Chevaliers aren't just nobles though. You have to be of noble blood to get in, but it's not like you can pay them a ton of money and get a diploma shipped to you. These guys are hardcore. The few we see in TMI are very, very impressive. Definitely top tier when it comes to combat.

 

And there aren't a lot of other warriors to compete with. The Grey Wardens would give them a run for their money of course, but the elites of other countries don't really seem to compare.

 

It isn't hyperbole since we know that they can abuse the **** out of their power. DAO proved they do that, but I never said most are like that.  Depending on the group you have Qunari who are simply superior physically and will more than likely have experienced forces due to an ongoing conflict with the Tevinter Imperium. The main reason most groups likely wouldn't compare is likely due to lack of resources. Fereldan couldn't have a military organization like that while Nevarra probably could. The Tevinter Imperium should have experienced forces, but their best likely include their magisters are people similar in power. The training of a powerful magister is likely pretty different than a Chevalier. Whether or not they can do better in large scale actions remains to be seen.

[Palidane]

It isn't hyperbole since we know that they can abuse the **** out of their power. DAO proved they do that, but I never said most are like that.  Depending on the group you have Qunari who are simply superior physically and will more than likely have experienced forces due to an ongoing conflict with the Tevinter Imperium. The main reason most groups likely wouldn't compare is likely due to lack of resources. Fereldan couldn't have a military organization like that while Nevarra probably could. The Tevinter Imperium should have experienced forces, but their best likely include their magisters are people similar in power. The training of a powerful magister is likely pretty different than a Chevalier. Whether or not they can do better in large scale actions remains to be seen.

Oh yeah, lots of Chevaliers are complete assholes. Doesn't mean they aren't incredibly dangerous.

 

We don't know enough about the Qunari military to really say, although I wouldn't say I was impressed by the forces with the Arishok. Tevinter is famous for its mages, not it fighters. I'm sure all different countries have some kind of "elite", but it's not like the Antivan King's bodyguard compares to a Chevalier. Or the Ferelden Ash Warriors for that matter. I mean, Orlais is the biggest empire in Thedas for a reason.

[MidgetNemo]

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Oh,could you PM me too ?

[Hillbillyhat]

Oh yeah, lots of Chevaliers are complete assholes. Doesn't mean they aren't incredibly dangerous.

 

We don't know enough about the Qunari military to really say, although I wouldn't say I was impressed by the forces with the Arishok. Tevinter is famous for its mages, not it fighters. I'm sure all different countries have some kind of "elite", but it's not like the Antivan King's bodyguard compares to a Chevalier. Or the Ferelden Ash Warriors for that matter. I mean, Orlais is the biggest empire in Thedas for a reason.

 

In DA2 Pride Demons are some of the biggest baddest mofos out there and Hawke took one down pretty easily. I wouldn't say gameplay is a good example of how dangerous Qunari are. I didn't necessarily see the Ash warriors as elite in the same way as Chevaliers. More similar to very mobile, skilled light infantry. Chevaliers are knights likely similar to heavy cavalry. They wouldn't have the same roles. Orlais is a big empire but its probably not because of Chevaliers but they help.

[Palidane]

In DA2 Pride Demons are some of the biggest baddest mofos out there and Hawke took one down pretty easily. I wouldn't say gameplay is a good example of how dangerous Qunari are. I didn't necessarily see the Ash warriors as elite in the same way as Chevaliers. More similar to very mobile, skilled light infantry. Chevaliers are knights likely similar to heavy cavalry. They wouldn't have the same roles. Orlais is a big empire but its probably not because of Chevaliers but they help.

Ehh. I don't know, Gameplay and Story segregation only go so far. This is the Arishok and his personal bodyguard. He attacked Kirkwall with months to plan the perfect assault, and he got put down by the local cops, assisted by a few Templars, and Mages. And Hawke, of course, but that still seems pretty weak for the best of the Antaam.

 

Well, heavy cavalry are the hard counter to light infantry. And Chevaliers are trained in a wide variety of combat styles, and against all kinds of opponents. I haven't seen their equal anywhere other than the Grey Wardens. The same is true of the Antivan Crows for rogues, and the Magisterium for Mages.

[Dunbartacus]

Ehh. I don't know, Gameplay and Story segregation only go so far. This is the Arishok and his personal bodyguard. He attacked Kirkwall with months to plan the perfect assault, and he got put down by the local cops, assisted by a few Templars, and Mages. And Hawke, of course, but that still seems pretty weak for the best of the Antaam.

The qunari decimated the city guard effortlessly, the only reason they were stopped was due to Hawke plus some help from meredith and her templars.

 

Also you may be forgetting that the Qunari almost conquered all of known Thedas when they first appeared which would point to them being a brutally effective fighting force imo.

[Palidane]

The qunari decimated the city guard effortlessly, the only reason they were stopped was due to Hawke plus some help from meredith and her templars.

 

Also you may be forgetting that the Qunari almost conquered all of known Thedas when they first appeared which would point to them being a brutally effective fighting force imo.

We've heard a lot about how the Qunari are unstoppable and could roll over all Thedas whenever they feel like it, but so far they seem to be a lot more flash than substance.

 

But this is a thread about advisers, and comparing the Qunari military to the Chevaliers doesn't really have a place here. We'd best move on.

[Sifr]

Not sure how we got off on this, but guys, Chevaliers are total badasses. Read The Masked Empire, these guys make Aragorn look like Frodo. Michel, one of the very best, once killed 8 men in about that many seconds. Without a doubt the greatest collection of Warriors in Thedas.

 

I don't know if we can go that far.

 

From The Stolen Throne, they failed to hold back Maric's Rebellion from retaking Ferelden, not to mention having their backsides handed to them by the Legion of the Dead that Maric had rallied to his side, who proceeded to wipe out half of their forces in Gwaren.

 

The Chevaliers may be badass, but there are a lot of badass armies in Thedas, who've proven they can give them a run for their money.

[Palidane]

I don't know if we can go that far.

 

From The Stolen Throne, they failed to hold back Maric's Rebellion from retaking Ferelden, not to mention having their backsides handed to them by the Legion of the Dead that Maric had rallied to his side, who proceeded to wipe out half of their forces in Gwaren.

 

The Chevaliers may be badass, but there are a lot of badass armies in Thedas, who've proven they can give them a run for their money.

I haven't read The Stolen Throne (mediocre reviews, mostly), but I would assume that army was mostly Orlesian commoners, with probably only a few actual Chevaliers commanding. The Legion of the Dead is pretty badass, if only because they have nothing to lose, but I would only expect them to beat mounted Chevaliers if they had a massive numerical advantage. Does the book give anymore specific numbers about the soldier's dispositions?

[Sifr]

I haven't read The Stolen Throne (mediocre reviews, mostly), but I would assume that army was mostly Orlesian commoners, with probably only a few actual Chevaliers commanding. The Legion of the Dead is pretty badass, if only because they have nothing to lose, but I would only expect them to beat mounted Chevaliers if they had a massive numerical advantage. Does the book give anymore specific numbers about the soldier's dispositions?

 

I actually still need to read it myself, it's been on my reading pile for ages.

 

The plot summary I consulted however mentioned that legions of Chevaliers were in charge of keeping the Fereldan population in check during the Occupation and their use was stepped up during Meghren's rule, suggesting that there were a large amount of them active in Ferelden at the time. I don't think the Chevaliers were mounted, as the battle was in the city of Gwaren, so presumably they were on foot and evenly matched?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I wouldn't go that far since Aragorn is close to superhuman. The thing is not all Chevaliers will be that badass. It probably isn't unusual for some to just absure the **** out of the power and be rather pushovers. However I doubt most of them are like that. Plus I seriously doubt they are the best of the best. Thedas have too many elite forces that can compete.

The chevaliers are by reputation all Aragorns. Their insane privilege is supposed to be because they are more than entirely human. They probably aren't all the cut-above that they're advertised as, but I view the Acadamie des Chevaliers (or however I was supposed to spell that) that the wiki said was mentioned in TME as sort of like an overpriced and super respectable school in our world: you are allowed to pass with some Cs, if you master the material well enough that they view you as no worse than a C student by their standards, but they will not tarnish themselves with anything worse than that.

[dewayne31]

Qunari - Part of a mercenary group. Mercenary work is significantly different from leading and co-ordinating an army but it helps.

Dwarf - You're a lyrium smuggler. Literally no military experience, I reckon.

Elf - You're either the keepers first or a random elf warrior/ranger/rogue send to spy.

Human - Son/daughter of a noble family heavily centered around faith, except if you're a mage. Then you're sent packing.

None of these backgrounds lay a foundation for a general, the closets being either the Qunari or the human but that's vague.

 

pardon me if this has been brought up, but the human noble, being youngest wouldnt they be in charge of the militia just like choir boy was in starkhaven. Also isnt Ozwick the best miltary or such in the free marches
 

[9TailsFox]

The qunari decimated the city guard effortlessly, the only reason they were stopped was due to Hawke plus some help from meredith and her templars.

 

Also you may be forgetting that the Qunari almost conquered all of known Thedas when they first appeared which would point to them being a brutally effective fighting force imo.

And only reason why all Thedas not doing what Qun demands is Tevinter. Tevinter vs Qunari war never ended they still "protecting" Thedas.

[SwordofMercy1]

Yes, I am going to take the Iron Bull to bed more than any other advisor....

Horrible joke.

But I don't think I can be biased against my advisors, even with my 'callous I don't caaaaaaaare' characters. Different situations call for different reactions and it seems kinda silly to listen to only one point of view... Though this is before I actually played the game. Who knows, there could be that one character I hate with a burning passion and would allow an orphanage to burn down before listening to them.

[Tex]

Yikes I just found this thread and was surprised to see I had commented on it so I read what it said and it seems my friend commented in my stead ("sigh" she really hates Cullen) sorry for the mix up. Okay now back on topic yeah I'll probably be biased Josie seems to reflect a lot of my ideals so I'll go with her opinion a lot more but that's just me.

And 9tails I personaly would not use the word protect to describe what tevintor dose but yes they are one of the main reasons the qun hasn't conquered thedas.