For my next playthrough I will try to play an agressive pro-templar and anti-mage Hawke. I'm just having trouble with the fact that as anti-mage as my character is there is no option to turn Bethany, Merrill and Anders into the Templars.
Is there perhaps a way to roleplay around this?
No there really isn't, you can tell Anders to leave the party permanently in act 2.
Oh and you have done everything in your power to protect your sister from Templars, that's canon background of Hawke no matter how you choose to play him/her.
For my pro Templar hawke, I had Bethany become a Grey Warden and I knifed Anders
You cannot play as pro-templar straight away from Act 1, however you can do so from Act 2 onward if you want.
In Act 1 you are still a mage sympathiser, because you have been protecting your sister from templars all your life. You can slowly change that view by making Hawke change her opinion as things develop on Kirkwall (it is easy, there is plenty of blood magic and daemons). As Hawke realises that magic is dangerous and must be controled, then she starts supporting the templars and questioning Bethany if it would not have been better that she had been in the circle.
For Merrill, you can tell her straight away "I want nothing to do with a bloodmage" after her recruitment, just ignore her quests. For Anders, after his act 2 quest, when he shows that his spirit is getting out of control, then tell to gtfo of Kirkwall because he is a dangerous abomination, and he will leave.
For my pro Templar hawke, I had Bethany become a Grey Warden and I knifed Anders
Their is no way a you can turn in your follwers in this game but dude you want to actually turn in your own sister that's cold in which she could be killed for being outside the circle by the Templars. Thought you can have Meredith kill her in the Last Straw, I never take this option it's just feels wrong to me. She just seems like a puppy at this moment and its disgusting how Meredith just brushes her off her sword like she doesn't matter.For my next playthrough I will try to play an agressive pro-templar and anti-mage Hawke. I'm just having trouble with the fact that as anti-mage as my character is there is no option to turn Bethany, Merrill and Anders into the Templars.
Is there perhaps way to roleplay around this?
For my pro-templar game I decided that in order to become almost a fanatic that tragedy had to happen. I took Bethany with me to the deep roads without Anders and well we know how that ends. Without her around and the mess Kirkwall is with mages it pushed me over the top. Add to that what happens to mom there isn't a mage that I come across that that lives at the end. There are dialog limitations to trying to RP to this extreme but what the game didn't provide me I made up in my head.
I think you can also kill Merril when siding with the Templars. So ignoring all her quests and not trying to convince her that siding with them is right will get her to fight you.
When she comes back at act 3 and sees you have sided with Templar she will be furious though, even GW Carver opposes siding with templars but he wont get as angry as Bethany.
I think you can also kill Merril when siding with the Templars. So ignoring all her quests and not trying to convince her that siding with them is right will get her to fight you.
Yeah, you can kill her if you ignore her quests and have low rivalry/friendship.
Have you ever managed to actually do this? I heard that there were several conditions that had to be met in addition to what you listed, such as Anders being a 100% rival. Also, I heard that the game prevented players from being left without a mage, so if Hawke isn't one, then Anders has to be spared or Merrill will not oppose them. I don't think that Bethany counted toward this, but I she might have...
Have you ever managed to actually do this? I heard that there were several conditions that had to be met in addition to what you listed, such as Anders being a 100% rival. Also, I heard that the game prevented players from being left without a mage, so if Hawke isn't one, then Anders has to be spared or Merrill will not oppose them. I don't think that Bethany counted toward this, but I she might have...
Only seen it on YouTube, I think you're right about the conditions.
Yeah, they made it incredibly complicated for some reason... well beyond the point of being too annoying for me to attempt. I mean, I'm not teaming up with Anders just so that I can kill Merrill. That would be nuts.
Yeah, they made it incredibly complicated for some reason... well beyond the point of being too annoying for me to attempt. I mean, I'm not teaming up with Anders just so that I can kill Merrill. That would be nuts.
Don't worry, you can change any decisions you regret in the Keep.
She's far more understanding if she witnessed the Annulment and was spared.
You can't judge whether or not she is lying to herself. We have seen no evidence that she is truly miserable to counter her opinion. Although I believe she is happier in the Circle than as a GW I believe a lot of her happiness is due to the fact that she is Hawke's sister and therefore is not treated to the same treatment as some of the others in the Kirkwall Circle. Personally, if I was Hawke I would have pulled some strings and had her sent to Ferelden. There is no way I would want my sister stuck in Kirkwall, let alone the Kirkwall Circle. I also believe it's possible to set her up with Sebastian. Although I'm not sure.
Have you ever managed to actually do this? I heard that there were several conditions that had to be met in addition to what you listed, such as Anders being a 100% rival. Also, I heard that the game prevented players from being left without a mage, so if Hawke isn't one, then Anders has to be spared or Merrill will not oppose them. I don't think that Bethany counted toward this, but I she might have...
You must have Anders 100% rival, but you can tell him gtfo. Both Merrill and Anders then shows up to fight you at the Gallows. And you don't have to have Merrill's approval low, just don't complete her last Questioning Beliefs.
Proof:
You must have Anders 100% rival, but you can tell him gtfo. Both Merrill and Anders then shows up to fight you at the Gallows. And you don't have to have Merrill's approval low, just don't complete her last Questioning Beliefs.
Proof:
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Um... don't take this the wrong way, but your "poof" is a screenshot with Morrigan as a party member... 
There seem to be some kind of mods at work here...
If this is actually legit, then I guess it's fine if you don't have the Exiled Prince or simply dislike Sebastian... I wouldn't be willing play completely out of character and spare Anders to begin with, but having to argue in Anders's favor against Sebastian and then having him quit the team flat out kills it for me. They made it way too complicated... back in DA:O you could finish the game with just the Warden and either Loghain or Alistair in the party. You could fire whoever you wanted, whenever you wanted without jumping through all of these hoops...
It's not Morrigan, just hairstyle 
Has nothing to do with ingame choices, or should everyone play default Hawke for it to be believable?
I haven't said anything about morality of sparing Anders on pro-templar run, just that both mages could be killed.
If you're a mage you can kill them both I think.
You can't judge whether or not she is lying to herself. We have seen no evidence that she is truly miserable to counter her opinion. Although I believe she is happier in the Circle than as a GW I believe a lot of her happiness is due to the fact that she is Hawke's sister and therefore is not treated to the same treatment as some of the others in the Kirkwall Circle. Personally, if I was Hawke I would have pulled some strings and had her sent to Ferelden. There is no way I would want my sister stuck in Kirkwall, let alone the Kirkwall Circle. I also believe it's possible to set her up with Sebastian. Although I'm not sure.
I rather she to be loyal to her father's legacy and live in reality than to be happy. Neither is better, grey warden path is more realistic specially during the legacy DLC and act 3.
If you're a mage you can kill them both I think.
Hawke's class doesn't matter in the Last Straw.
It's not Morrigan, just hairstyle
I haven't said anything about morality of sparing Anders on pro-templar run, just that both mages could be killed.
Oh no, I didn't mean it like that, it's just that mods sometimes effect different part of the game... sometimes they make unexpected changes from what I hear. That's a cool hairstyle and outfit, so I won't hold it against anyone who uses them... 
Anyway, my overall point is that they make you jump through a lot of hoops to get this outcome, but none of that sounds necessary to me... DA:O was much more straightforward when it came to this, and I greatly preferred having that freedom.
Wait I can kill both Anders and Merrill at the end?!? I guess I just found a reason to play DA2 again.
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