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[Miniditka77]

Mooks are occasionally armoured and then it will not work. I dropped pull when I started playing Gold regularly. Acolyte is my choice for the Human Adept because Singularity (and that one primes armoured guys).

 

Acolyte Justicar is pretty much easy-mode on Gold or below.  Dragoons are the only mooks that cause a problem.  Pyros and Bombers move so slowly that you can take them out with the Acolyte alone (Reave + Warp Ammo is pretty effective).  The problem with Dragoons is that they get on top of you too quickly for a slow-firing weapon like the Acolyte.  I like to Reave them, fire my weapon until they are close, then dodge their whip and immediately deploy the bubble.  That should get you a BE, and you can usually follow up with Reave for a second BE, if necessary.  I usually carry an SMG sidearm too, which helps against them. 

 

I don't think the Acolyte is necessary or optimal for the Human Adept.  The Talon can strip shields almost as well, and it can do pretty fantastic damage using Warp Ammo.

[Miniditka77]

I had this happen a few days back. My Asari and a Human tech kit stuck together in a White Glacier match, can't remember what faction. They'd prime with tech and I'd detonate with biotics, plus sometimes I'd combo my biotics for more boom. I was surprised at how well we meshed.

 

Yeah, it's kind of crazy how great an Adept with Throw or Shockwave can be when paired with a good tech priming class.  Stick a Paladin with a Shockwave spammer, and you never even need to see the enemy.

[Catastrophy]

[...]

 

I don't think the Acolyte is necessary or optimal for the Human Adept.  The Talon can strip shields almost as well, and it can do pretty fantastic damage using Warp Ammo.

I don't just use the Acolyte for Singularity - I also need it for the hilarious melee. It doesn't need to be optimal when I can send stuff to orbit a couple of times.

[DaemionMoadrin]

If you have a Biotic detonater that interacts with Tech powers, just cast it twice.

 

WOW!  A TECH BURST AND A BIOTIC EXPLOSION!

 

I mean, you've got like a 3 second window to recognize that a Biotic Explosion didn't happen, deduce that it detonated a Tech power, and make the decision to cast it a second time.  It's not rocket medicine.

 

I wasn't talking about tech powers, I was talking about disruptor ammo on fast firing weapons like the Harrier. There is no such thing as biotic explosions if you have someone constantly priming your targets with their sh*tty disruptor ammo.

 

Even a Fury with 200% cooldown can't use Throw fast enough to compete with automatic weapons. I had a Vancouver/Geth game last night with two TGIs using Disruptor ammo (joined during wave 2 and only realized that a wave later). I think I got 15 or 20 biotic detonations during the entire mission. And then only because I was solo on the other side of the map.

 

I don't know if you ever experienced it but the moment when you run around a corner into the middle of a bunch of Geth, priming them all with AF, using Throw... and all that happens are Tech bursts... right before a Hunter staggers you and a Pyro roasts you. All because you did not get a biotic explosion when you needed it most.

 

Yes, I can adapt to that and rely more on Dark Channel but that drastically lowers my dps. Disruptor ammon just has a really bad synergy with biotic powers, sorry.

[Alfonsedode]

except hml

hml?

[PurpGuy1]

I wasn't talking about tech powers, I was talking about disruptor ammo on fast firing weapons like the Harrier. There is no such thing as biotic explosions if you have someone constantly priming your targets with their sh*tty disruptor ammo.

 

Even a Fury with 200% cooldown can't use Throw fast enough to compete with automatic weapons. I had a Vancouver/Geth game last night with two TGIs using Disruptor ammo (joined during wave 2 and only realized that a wave later). I think I got 15 or 20 biotic detonations during the entire mission. And then only because I was solo on the other side of the map.

 

I don't know if you ever experienced it but the moment when you run around a corner into the middle of a bunch of Geth, priming them all with AF, using Throw... and all that happens are Tech bursts... right before a Hunter staggers you and a Pyro roasts you. All because you did not get a biotic explosion when you needed it most.

 

Yes, I can adapt to that and rely more on Dark Channel but that drastically lowers my dps. Disruptor ammon just has a really bad synergy with biotic powers, sorry.

 

If Tech Bursts were as flashy as the other detonations you would probably love them

[Catastrophy]

I wasn't talking about tech powers, I was talking about disruptor ammo on fast firing weapons like the Harrier. There is no such thing as biotic explosions if you have someone constantly priming your targets with their sh*tty disruptor ammo.

 

Even a Fury with 200% cooldown can't use Throw fast enough to compete with automatic weapons. I had a Vancouver/Geth game last night with two TGIs using Disruptor ammo (joined during wave 2 and only realized that a wave later). I think I got 15 or 20 biotic detonations during the entire mission. And then only because I was solo on the other side of the map.

 

I don't know if you ever experienced it but the moment when you run around a corner into the middle of a bunch of Geth, priming them all with AF, using Throw... and all that happens are Tech bursts... right before a Hunter staggers you and a Pyro roasts you. All because you did not get a biotic explosion when you needed it most.

 

Yes, I can adapt to that and rely more on Dark Channel but that drastically lowers my dps. Disruptor ammon just has a really bad synergy with biotic powers, sorry.

I don't see it happen that often - in fact I never saw somebody priming *constantly* with ammo, and a techburst is still a techburst.  You can always adapt your playstyle or just leave if it really bothers you. It also helps to face the other way, I do it if I have those pesky kill-stealers on my team that take away all my targets.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

hml?

 

I wanted to ask, too 

[Alfonsedode]

I wanted to ask, too 

tried to find what it was for at least 1 or 2 long minutes

[DaemionMoadrin]

I don't see it happen that often - in fact I never saw somebody priming *constantly* with ammo, and a techburst is still a techburst.  You can always adapt your playstyle or just leave if it really bothers you. It also helps to face the other way, I do it if I have those pesky kill-stealers on my team that take away all my targets.

 

Ooookay.

[Black_Mage]

I wanted to ask, too 

 

Hawk Missile Launcher

[RustyBuckets02]

I don't see it happen that often - in fact I never saw somebody priming *constantly* with ammo, and a techburst is still a techburst. You can always adapt your playstyle or just leave if it really bothers you. It also helps to face the other way, I do it if I have those pesky kill-stealers on my team that take away all my targets.

There's a delay before disruptor ammo can prime again on a single target, so it's generally not too bad for a fury. Classes with slower recharges on their primer/ detonator powers will be more affected Not to defend people who slap on disruptor ammo In abiotic lobby, but it's not the end of the world.

Disruptor ammo definitely has it's uses though.

[Catastrophy]

There's a delay before disruptor ammo can prime again on a single target, so it's generally not too bad for a fury. Classes with slower recharges on their primer/ detonator powers will be more affected Not to defend people who slap on disruptor ammo In abiotic lobby, but it's not the end of the world.

Disruptor ammo definitely has it's uses though.

Yea, all ammo powers have a primer delay - if it wasn't the case I'd carve a bloodbath of fire explosions through any game. And the delay is quite long, too. I know I wait for it eagerly when I play my Juggernaut.

It's not good manners if you pick tech ammo in a biotic lobby, yes, but if someone joins mid-game you just have to deal with it, because there is nothing you can do about it.

[Smehur]

 

5.  The only biotic detonator that can cause two explosions is a cluster grenade and only because 2-3 get thrown at the same time.  I.e. it's an exception that's not really an exception.

On 5, U forgot about shockwave and smash

 

 
And biotic slash.
 
As for the Justicar, who happens to be one of my favorite kits -- I used to play her without pull too, but nowadays I always put 4 points into it (4th for the radius) and bring the acolyte (unless experimenting). Acolyte+pull+reave is just so damn effective against them pesky captains/centurions/marauders who are guilty for at least 80% of all my squishy-character-deaths. For tougher targets, I do reave-bubble-reave for two BEs. On platinum it really pays to use the bubble as a tactical device. On gold, sometimes I go whole matches without using it at all, because reave+weapons+others kill stuff fast enough, especially with other biotics on the team. (Though I often place it on self and/or teammates for shield regen.) In general I feel she's better on platinum than on gold. Does anyone else have that impression?
 
As for tech primers covering biotic primers -- while not a show-stopper, it's definitely annoying, especially with BE specialists such as Fury/Valkyrie. What it comes down to is not getting the expected result from a familiar action.

[Deerber]

Actually, disruptor ammo have no repriming delay. At least, if they have one, it's so short it's not noticeable.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

... I'd carve a bloodbath of fire explosions through any game. 

 

I heartily endorse this product and/or service.

[Aetika]

Stick a Paladin with a Shockwave spammer, and you never even see the enemy biotic explosion.

 

FTFY

 

God I hate Paladins when playing biotic. I am becoming elitist, lol

[Deerber]

FTFY

 

God I hate Paladins when playing biotic. I am becoming elitist, lol

 

Well... 3/5 is no 1/5 after all!

[sabreracer]

FTFY

 

God I hate Paladins when playing biotic. I am becoming elitist, lol

 

Becoming?

 

Aeti Pls 

[wufpup76]

 

 

I had this happen a few days back. My Asari and a Human tech kit stuck together in a White Glacier match, can't remember what faction. They'd prime with tech and I'd detonate with biotics, plus sometimes I'd combo my biotics for more boom. I was surprised at how well we meshed.

 

^I certainly don't mind mixing biotic w/ tech - often there is a FE/TB followed by a BE (is that enough shorthand for one sentence?). That said, I'll typically change kits for true synergy two or more of the group are one or the other ... or I'll just switch to the doesn't afraid Turian Sentinel, who is the best of both worlds. Paladin and Justicar in the same lobby? Turian Sentinel detonates everything! 

 

When the group is all biotics though, I'll try to send a polite message if someone has disruptor ammo equiped ... it's not that big of a deal, but why potentially mess up the BE train? I did have a match the other day though where all 4 of us were biotics, but the three other pugs all had disruptor ammo equipped ... I just went with it - what can you do? 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Hawk Missile Launcher

 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

If I'm fighting Geth, I'm using Disruptor Ammo. The Biotics will just have to deal. 

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

If I'm fighting Geth, I'm using Disruptor Ammo. The Biotics will just have to deal. 

 

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[NuclearTech76]

Acolyte Justicar is pretty much easy-mode on Gold or below.  Dragoons are the only mooks that cause a problem.  Pyros and Bombers move so slowly that you can take them out with the Acolyte alone (Reave + Warp Ammo is pretty effective).  The problem with Dragoons is that they get on top of you too quickly for a slow-firing weapon like the Acolyte.  I like to Reave them, fire my weapon until they are close, then dodge their whip and immediately deploy the bubble.  That should get you a BE, and you can usually follow up with Reave for a second BE, if necessary.  I usually carry an SMG sidearm too, which helps against them. 

 

I don't think the Acolyte is necessary or optimal for the Human Adept.  The Talon can strip shields almost as well, and it can do pretty fantastic damage using Warp Ammo.

I just hate it when things get on top of my Justicar.

[Deerber]

If I'm fighting Geth, I'm using Disruptor Ammo. The Biotics will just have to deal. **** GETH MOTHERFUCKING CHEATERSSSS!!!

 

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