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[Fast Jimmy]

u wot m8. u hatin on my hug pillows, u wanna get rekt?

In my view tons of games have romance content already even if they're not all explicit, bioware's not really special in that regard but by the same token it's not really gonna kill them to include it either. Apparently the fact that some people on forums and tumblr and the like are really into it disgusts you just by the association? That seems a little unreasonable, man.

Lots of games have romance, true. Just like lots of TV, movies and books do. But they, much more often than not, have a defined main character. Bella falls in love wih Edward. Romeo is star-crossed with Juliet. Joanie loves Chachi.

Where RPGs differ is the ability to create your own character (within the confines of the game). People talk about THEIR Hawke, THEIR Warden, THEIR Shephard. This isnt a pre-constructed character, but one that the player becomes invested in. In fact, many times players fancy THEMSELVES the character, becoming the hero in their own story. It's one of the largest draws in the genre of roleplaying.

And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing, inherently, wrong with romancing NPCs when you envision yourself as the main character. But when people make requests for specific characters or archetypes for the sole purpose of romancing them, that seems like it crosses a line.

The fact that Bioware doesn't custom make the romances seems almost a little irrelevant to me. If they did have the ability and desire to create any romanceable companion anyone could request as a DLC, would that not be a digital form of sex dolls? And would that not be a little creepy?

My problem is not in the game content, per se, as much as in the asking.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

i'm happy with the way things turned out. could they have been more even? yes. but i think it's a nice blend and all the characters are very unique. they wrote the characters they wanted even if it's not a perfect split. 

 

the writers have also said they create a character, their sexuality, and then decide if they will be a romance. not the other way around. and i would much prefer they develop characters how they see them instead of designing them around an archetype or orientation. it should be just another trait, not the sole reason for that character existing! when that happens, that's all the character becomes. and while romance is probably one of my favorite aspects of the game, the characters are there for so much more than that purpose. : )

Absolutely, but there are a lot of dangerous trends out in the real world, pitfalls that writers may or may not fall into. These tropes exist for a reason, and are common for a reason. Bringing attention to other possibilities, things that we'd like to see is hardly a bad thing. For instance why is 'X' straight? More often than not, 'X' wants to have a family, settle down, and thus, to fulfill that, is portrayed (if male) of wanting a wife and children. See the problem? Why is being straight a prerequisite for wanting a family in stories? I highly doubt it's because every writer hates the gay community, but, more likely, the lack of gay men wanting families in television and movies and, yes, games, is so low, that straight becomes the default, the accepted norm for those family wanting stories. And that leaves a lot of stories left behind in the dust. Bringing attention to these is hardly a problem in my view.

 

And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing, inherently, wrong with romancing NPCs when you envision yourself as the main character. But when people make requests for specific characters or archetypes for the sole purpose of romancing them, that seems like it crosses a line.

The fact that Bioware doesn't custom make the romances seems almost a little irrelevant to me. If they did have the ability and desire to create any romanceable companion anyone could request as a DLC, would that not be a digital form of sex dolls? And would that not be a little creepy?

My problem is not in the game content, per se, as much as in the asking.

I would say if BioWare were to make a romanceable companion as a result of fan requests (as supposedly Garrus and Tali), it would be simple fanservice. Not really the noblest of approaches to story design maybe, but nothing so offensive that makes it comparable to an item that literally services your fans.

I think these are more suggestions to ask BioWare that next time a knightly, heroic dude is added to the possible follower list, why not make him interested in men? Suggestion, nothing more. We're not saying don't do what you're doing, or figure out a new character that fits this trope, we're saying next time a character like this gets bandied about in meetings, know we'd be interested to know his/her story.

[Gothfather]

ok i do not like many in romances from DAO and DA2 but they was better what we have in DAI

 

in DAI for straight males give

 

andrastian non-mage human Orlais Chantry templar

 

andrastian non-mage human noble who is a best old firend of lelianna spy/assasin of the Orlais Chanty

 

even that some really put that straight males have the same number(and thats not about numbers) that gays and lesbians

 

this does not cover the fact that those 2 Li are almost the same by their nature, their beliefs...they are created mostly for the only humans non-mages inquisitors, for humans pro Orlais pro andrastian pro Chantry pro Templars Inquisitor

 

they will not romance you if you would be other that those type of character. if you belief and do everything what would oppose for what they fight and belief...this is look like you are a apostage blood mage who romance with fenris or cullen(forcing us to have him as Lelianna no matter what, was a very bad solution as "herald of andraste" thing)

 

even if some as playing those who oppose for every for what those characters stands for, and can deal with their personality, who they are and those LI will romance with you for some reason even if you will try to do all what must make you their enemies-not friend at least

 

...it s bad as human hawke romance with merril(i like merril always was friend and support her, but in canon never romancing her as human  hawke...personaly i was like to have avelin for hawke or someone who is not a isabella)...i am happy that solas does not have those problem and he does not romance humans and i am sure he will not romance some inquisitors who do those things what he cant like or respect..yeah the first character who is not a playersexuality slave.

 

DAO have real different opposive characters to romance as DA2, in DAI only females(they does not have only some dwarf man to romance for a full collection..2 really different humans, elf and kossith) and gays with lesbians have those difference and opposive options

 

i was asked for a future story DLC to add a 1+ female non-human non-andrastian companion/advisor who would by her nature and beliefs oppose those 2 almost the same Li what straight males have now...the 1+ li option who would be created for non-humans non-andrastians, pro-mages, anti-Orlais anti-Chantry, anti-Templar characters.....make them make her race restricted if it helps to make her better

So why is a Hawke Merrill romance somehow wrong cannon wise? Granted I wasn't interested in her romantically but i see nothing Cannon breaking.

 

I found the above really hard to read but i think you are just saying that you want a romance where the companions agree with your character politically on issues within the world of thedas. If so...

 

Your point isn't valid, beyond that you SUBJECTIVELY want X but instead bioware gave you Y.

 

The Inquisition is BORN out of Andrasteism, it makes sense that that vast majority of their followers are andrastian in their beleifs. You don't like it? Too bad, the story they are telling is this one. They are not telling a Qun centered story arc, they are not telling a PURGE the chantry story arc.

 

The Inquisition is fuelled mainly by members who beleive in Andrasteism, they are former members of the Chantry, You are not the "Hero of Fereldan", or the "Champion of Kirkwall." You are the "Hearld of Andraste," expect that many of your companions and followers are going to follow you BECAUSE they are followers of Andraste. While I support any player to play their character how they want, it is my opinion that players should not pick stances that are in direct conflict with the story being told by Bioware. Why? because although it it your right and privilage to play any type of character you want you are going to be running against the gain of the plot and you will find far too many choices just don't match what your ideal. If you want to spread the Qun over all of Thedas I doubt you will be able to do so, its why the Inquisitor's background states he is not part of the Qun. It is fully with in your right to play such a character but EXPECT the story to run counter to that. If you want a character to Purge andrastian belief from Thedas you can expect the story to NOT allow you to do so. Play you character how you want to by all means just don't expect Bioware to give you what you want, just because you want it.

 

 

Bioware can't be expected to sanitize their romanceable companions from the politics of Thedas just because SOME players might create anti religious characters. If you want to play an anti religious character in a Thedas than embrace it don't try to mitigate the experience, part of that experience is that you will have fewer options in romance because you are taking such a contrary position to the majority of the population. Suck it up.

 

It is not Bioware's responsability to provide you with a romace based on imaginary political factions in an imaginary world. They have taken a very measured and inclusive stance on Gender and sexual orientation in their games and that is all what we as gamers should be measuring them by.

 

Are the romances in DA:I representative of the world we live in, in terms of gender? Yes both genders are represented.

Are the romances in DA:I representative of the world we live in, in terms of Sexual orientation? Yes we have gay, bi and straight romances

 

Bioware has been representative and inclusive in their approach to romances demanding they cater to your EXACT SUBJECTIVE desires is unreasanable.

[Fast Jimmy]

I think these are more suggestions to ask BioWare that next time a knightly, heroic dude is added to the possible follower list, why not make him interested in men? Suggestion, nothing more. We're not saying don't do what you're doing, or figure out a new character that fits this trope, we're saying next time a character like this gets bandied about in meetings, know we'd be interested to know his/her story.

Well, it might be hard for him to be a her, if I'm reading your description accurately.

But I get what you are saying. If the desire is to see and get to know that type of character, that's not really a romance request. You could have a gay knight in DA:I, for all we know. We just know they won't be romanceable. Is the requirement that they be a companion, romanceable by the player, or both?

[Lieutenant Kurin]

Well, it might be hard for him to be a her, if I'm reading your description accurately.

But I get what you are saying. If the desire is to see and get to know that type of character, that's not really a romance request. You could have a gay knight in DA:I, for all we know. We just know they won't be romanceable. Is the requirement that they be a companion, romanceable by the player, or both?

 

As no such representation exists anywhere, I'd be fine with anything. Would I prefer romanceable? Well... yes... I'm human. But any representation in game would be nice. Especially because, who knows, he may get the Cullen treatment later on .

 

Oh! As for your first point, I made a male-specific example, but you could reverse the sexes to make a female one. X wants to have a family, thus she wants a husband and children. X is also a bad ass.

[daveliam]

As no such representation exists anywhere, I'd be fine with anything. Would I prefer romanceable? Well... yes... I'm human. But any representation in game would be nice. Especially because, who knows, he may get the Cullen treatment later on .

Oh! As for your first point, I made a male-specific example, but you could reverse the sexes to make a female one. X wants to have a family, thus she wants a husband and children. X is also a bad ass.

Agreed. Both would be preferable. Gaider included two guys in this trope in The Calling, so now it would be nice to see some in the game and, if they are in the game, it would be nice to be able to explore that story through the romance mechanics.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

Agreed. Both would be preferable. Gaider included two guys in this trope in The Calling, so now it would be nice to see some in the game and, if they are in the game, it would be nice to be able to explore that story through the romance mechanics.

I dunno... now I'm kinda liking the idea of the next 'unattainable hottie' to be gay... and then totally get attainable by DA6 especially if he ends up getting as many female fans as Cullen has male fans. I feel so evil!   Ah schadenfreude....

[Gothfather]

Both the m/m with Sky and f/f with Silk Fox meant you basically could never ever flirt with anyone of the opposite gender or you were locked out of it. Also the kiss scene isn't there for same sex couples (apparently it was issues with model heights), we got the fade to black just as they go in for it. So not hidden as such, but you had to know it was there and play with in mind.

You did not have to know it was there and you did not have to play with that in mind.

 

I romanced Silk Fox on my first play through without knowing it was there before hand.

 

Yes the romances were "gated" based on what you did in the game but that is hardly the same as hidden nor the same a knowing it is there before hand and then forced to play for it. I simply played the game and found the Silk Fox romance in a normal play through.

 

Seems to me that people are using far too many distinctions to rule out past examples of "Knightly" M/M romance options so they have an excuse to feel that Bioware needs to create said companion.

 

It seems to me that Bioware has indeed created varied romanceable companions for all orientations. Have your subjective desires been filled? Maybe maybe not but is that Bioware's job?

 

I have no problem people saying i'd like X companion but the tone of the OP is BioWare is being unfair and disgriminatory, with others trying to imply that no strong mascline gay romances will be done by Bioware because somehow they have some agenda against it.

 

Nah, Bioware can't imagine how a heroic white knight type can possibly be gay, so they won't be in the game ever.

 

To be honest I feel far too many people are projecting homophobia on to Bioware in a tantrum just because they didn't get what they wanted and then nit picking excuses not to count strong mascline examples of M/M romance options so they can somehow guilt Bioware into giving them what they want, a purely subjective ideal so other people will be just as unhappy as they are now if their ideals don't match. "But hey so long as my ideals are met who care about other people, right?"
 

[daveliam]

Seems to me that people are using far too many distinctions to rule out past examples of Knight M/M romance options so they have an excuse to feel that Bioware needs to create said companion.

It seems to me that Bioware has indeed created varied romanceable companions for all orientations. Have your subjective desires been filled? Maybe maybe not but is that Bioware's job?

I have no problem people saying i'd like X companion but the tone of the OP is BioWare is being unfair and disgriminatory, with others trying to imply that no strong mascline gay romances will be done by Bioware because somehow they have some agenda against it.


To be honest I feel far too many people are projecting homophobia on to Bioware in a tantrum just because they didn't get what they wanted and then nit picking excuses not to count strong mascline examples of M/M romance options so they can somehow guilt Bioware into giving them what they want, a purely subjective ideal so other people will be just as unhappy as they are now if their ideals don't match. "But hey so long as my ideals are met who care about other people, right?"

Outside of the two posts that you mentioned (one of which was tongue in cheek), who's claiming homophobia?

I'm interested in which of the eight m/m LIs are 'white knight types'? I'll give you Kaidan as a possibility, but I'm genuinely not seeing it with anyone else. Although maybe this discussion should migrate to gay knight in shining armor thread?

[Gothfather]

Outside of the two posts that you mentioned (one of which was tongue in cheek), who's claiming homophobia?

I'm interested in which of the eight m/m LIs are 'white knight types'? I'll give you Kaidan as a possibility, but I'm genuinely not seeing it with anyone else. Although maybe this discussion should migrate to gay knight in shining armor thread?

 

If you can show me evidence that the second post i quoted was tongue in cheek, I'll change my view of it. Without said evidence i will assume the poster meant exactly what they said as there have been posts in the past in the vien of "Bioware is unfair, because... [insert subjective want here]"

 

I haven't gone to the gay knight in shining armour thread and posted any objections because the thread doesn't postulate or claim bioware is unfair or discriminatory. I stated clearly that I have no problem with people saying I would like to see [insert subjective want here]. That isn't the issue but there is a tone to this thread of bioware is being unfair.

 

Kadian is a "Knight in shining armour" He wears power armour, he is an officer, he is as martial a figure as you can get. This BS nit picking that he's the mage class of ME is just an excuse to claim bioware hasn't given us X. There isn't any part of his character that isn't "Knight in shining armour" except maybe the ME armours are rather drab vs shining. Kadian is a soldier and an officer you don't get anymore Knightish than that in a modern army.

 

Fenris is also a knight in shining armourish character as well. he is struggling against the oppression and enslavement of peoples by Trevinter mages. He has a strong moral compass, he's martial, granted he's an ex slave so not part of a leadership caste like a Noble or Officer in a modern army, but he wears armour he fights, has strong moral views. Sounds pretty damn Knightish to me.

 

Its not like people haven't been given strong, martial M/M relationships. Hell Sky is yet another strong martial character.

 

I'll give you that Zevran is NOT at all knightish nor was Anders but there have been "Alpha" males for M/M romances.

 

From what I have seen the M/M romance options have all been varied and represenative of lots of different types of people. As bioware library of games increases we will start to see even more but if there is one thing I think I can safely say and defend with ease is the record of Bioware when it comes to being representative of human sexual orientation within their games in general. They have had "morally" good & bad characters, the misguilded, the Noble all as M/M romanceable options. I felt that they were very representative of the world we live in.

[Xilizhra]

If you can show me evidence that the second post i quoted was tongue in cheek, I'll change my view of it. Without said evidence i will assume the poster meant exactly what they said as there have been posts in the past in the vien of "Bioware is unfair, because... [insert subjective want here]"

 

I haven't gone to the gay knight in shining armour thread and posted any objections because the thread doesn't postulate or claim bioware is unfair or discriminatory. I stated clearly that I have no problem with people saying I would like to see [insert subjective want here]. That isn't the issue but there is a tone to this thread of bioware is being unfair.

 

Kadian is a "Knight in shining armour" He wears power armour, he is an officer, he is as martial a figure as you can get. This BS nit picking that he's the mage class of ME is just an excuse to claim bioware hasn't given us X. There isn't any part of his character that isn't "Knight in shining armour" except maybe the ME armours are rather drab vs shining. Kadian is a soldier and an officer you don't get anymore Knightish than that in a modern army.

 

Fenris is also a knight in shining armourish character as well. he is struggling against the oppression and enslavement of peoples by Trevinter mages. He has a strong moral compass, he's martial, granted he's an ex slave so not part of a leadership caste like a Noble or Officer in a modern army, but he wears armour he fights, has strong moral views. Sounds pretty damn Knightish to me.

 

Its not like people haven't been given strong, martial M/M relationships. Hell Sky is yet another strong martial character.

 

I'll give you that Zevran is NOT at all knightish nor was Anders but there have been "Alpha" males for M/M romances.

 

From what I have seen the M/M romance options have all been varied and represenative of lots of different types of people. As bioware library of games increases we will start to see even more but if there is one thing I think I can safely say and defend with ease is the record of Bioware when it comes to being representative of human sexual orientation within their games in general. They have had "morally" good & bad characters, the misguilded, the Noble all as M/M romanceable options. I felt that they were very representative of the world we live in.

Well, Fenris frequently comes across as a bigoted jackass to those who like mages, so I can hardly blame many for not seeing him as a moral paragon. Kaidan counts, but not in a fantasy archetype.

[daveliam]

If you can show me evidence that the second post i quoted was tongue in cheek, I'll change my view of it. Without said evidence i will assume the poster meant exactly what they said as there have been posts in the past in the vien of "Bioware is unfair, because... [insert subjective want here]"

 

I haven't gone to the gay knight in shining armour thread and posted any objections because the thread doesn't postulate or claim bioware is unfair or discriminatory. I stated clearly that I have no problem with people saying I would like to see [insert subjective want here]. That isn't the issue but there is a tone to this thread of bioware is being unfair.

 

Kadian is a "Knight in shining armour" He wears power armour, he is an officer, he is as martial a figure as you can get. This BS nit picking that he's the mage class of ME is just an excuse to claim bioware hasn't given us X. There isn't any part of his character that isn't "Knight in shining armour" except maybe the ME armours are rather drab vs shining. Kadian is a soldier and an officer you don't get anymore Knightish than that in a modern army.

 

Fenris is also a knight in shining armourish character as well. he is struggling against the oppression and enslavement of peoples by Trevinter mages. He has a strong moral compass, he's martial, granted he's an ex slave so not part of a leadership caste like a Noble or Officer in a modern army, but he wears armour he fights, has strong moral views. Sounds pretty damn Knightish to me.

 

Its not like people haven't been given strong, martial M/M relationships. Hell Sky is yet another strong martial character.

 

I'll give you that Zevran is NOT at all knightish nor was Anders but there have been "Alpha" males for M/M romances.

 

From what I have seen the M/M romance options have all been varied and represenative of lots of different types of people. As bioware library of games increases we will start to see even more but if there is one thing I think I can safely say and defend with ease is the record of Bioware when it comes to being representative of human sexual orientation within their games in general. They have had "morally" good & bad characters, the misguilded, the Noble all as M/M romanceable options. I felt that they were very representative of the world we live in.

 

I can't speak any further about other people's intentions for their posts nor do I have any interest in continuing to discuss it, frankly and with all respect.  I will just say that the person who you quoted was the same person who started the other thread, so that should be a good indicator about his opinions.

 

I can see the argument for Kaidan for this stereotype.  I definitely don't see it for Fenris.  He's not 'noble', do-gooder type of character.  He's not a strong and supportive partner for Hawke.  He's aggressive, violent.  He is fine with killing innocent mages.  He's driven by revenge, which is fine, but he focuses it on a deep distrust and hate for an entire group of people, not only the individuals that have wronged him.  He's a strong warrior, sure, but not the "white knight" archetype.

 

I think that maybe this is where the confusion lies.  We are speaking of a fantasy archetype, not literal.  The character needs to be more than just "martial".  Think King Arthur.  We are talking about characters like that.  So Sky and Fenris, while excellent warriors, don't really fit into the type.

 

And, again, I'm not seeing the people who are currently having the discussion saying that it's discrimination or unfair.  I fully acknowledge that there is variety in the m/m options.  We are simply saying that this is a particular character that we haven't seen represented in the DA games and we would like to see it in the future.  That's really what's being asked. 

[Hellion Rex]

 

  Think King Arthur.

Oooo, can we get a king for a m/m romance next time? Yes please.

[witchknights]

Oooo, can we get a king for a m/m romance next time? Yes please.

Dragon Age: Zevran Finally Convinced Alistair To Hop Borders, coming Fall 2018?

[Gothfather]

I can't speak any further about other people's intentions for their posts nor do I have any interest in continuing to discuss it, frankly and with all respect.  I will just say that the person who you quoted was the same person who started the other thread, so that should be a good indicator about his opinions.

 

I can see the argument for Kaidan for this stereotype.  I definitely don't see it for Fenris.  He's not 'noble', do-gooder type of character.  He's not a strong and supportive partner for Hawke.  He's aggressive, violent.  He is fine with killing innocent mages.  He's driven by revenge, which is fine, but he focuses it on a deep distrust and hate for an entire group of people, not only the individuals that have wronged him.  He's a strong warrior, sure, but not the "white knight" archetype.

 

I think that maybe this is where the confusion lies.  We are speaking of a fantasy archetype, not literal.  The character needs to be more than just "martial".  Think King Arthur.  We are talking about characters like that.  So Sky and Fenris, while excellent warriors, don't really fit into the type.

 

And, again, I'm not seeing the people who are currently having the discussion saying that it's discrimination or unfair.  I fully acknowledge that there is variety in the m/m options.  We are simply saying that this is a particular character that we haven't seen represented in the DA games and we would like to see it in the future.  That's really what's being asked. 

 

I have to agree with you on Fenris after your post and someone elses. He does have a strong moral compass but he is extremely flawed and he his hatred does exclude him from the Knight archatype.

 

I think when taking about fairness to romances it important to include all a companies games not just one in the series. Yes in Dragon age you haven't got a Knight in shining armour but I view this a good thing. They just did ME3 when you got a Knight in shining Armour archatype, do we really want to see Bioware repeating themselves in their next game?

[daveliam]

I have to agree with you on Fenris after your post and someone elses. He does have a strong moral compass but he is extremely flawed and he his hatred does exclude him from the Knight archatype.

 

I think when taking about fairness to romances it important to include all a companies games not just one in the series. Yes in Dragon age you haven't got a Knight in shining armour but I view this a good thing. They just did ME3 when you got a Knight in shining Armour archatype, do we really want to see Bioware repeating themselves in their next game?

 

I would like to see it played out in a typical fantasy setting.  That's kind of the point of the discussion.  I like that character type.  Kaidan fits it the best of the m/m options, but I'd like to see it in the actual fantasy series.  They've done it with Alistair and Sebastian in the past and now Cullen and Blackwall.  It's not that people are saying it's "unfair", but it's amusing that there have been 10 male LI's in the series.  Five of them were straight and four of those fit this stereotype.  While none of the other five do.  The DA team clearly likes writing these characters.  We are just saying that we'd like them to explore it with a gay character next time because that story has never been told, to our knowledge.

 

All this being said, I'm really happy with the two guys that I got this time around.  They are unconventional, but in unique ways and I find both interesting.  I would probably trade either one of them for Blackwall, though. 

[Natashina]

I would like to see it played out in a typical fantasy setting.  That's kind of the point of the discussion.  I like that character type.  Kaidan fits it the best of the m/m options, but I'd like to see it in the actual fantasy series.  They've done it with Alistair and Sebastian in the past and now Cullen and Blackwall.  It's not that people are saying it's "unfair", but it's amusing that there have been 10 male LI's in the series.  Five of them were straight and four of those fit this stereotype.  While none of the other five do.  The DA team clearly likes writing these characters.  We are just saying that we'd like them to explore it with a gay character next time. 

 

All this being said, I'm really happy with the two guys that I got this time around.  They are unconventional, but in unique ways and I find both interesting.  I would probably trade either one of them for Blackwall, though. 

The easiest way to think about the requests is that we're pretty much asking to have a gay Lancelot/King Arthur or a lady lesbian version of that archetype.  The white honorable knight on the gallant steed, that kind that gives a favor to his lady.  We'd like to see if the DA team is willing to turn that archetype a little on its side.  A female knight giving her favor to her lady, or a male knight that gives his favor to his beloved man.  Alistair fits that trope really well.  We'd like to see something like that, only not hetero.  

 

Ninja'd, dang it.  I need more coffee.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

@Bioware We want "Cullen for male romance too" , please , is not fair, the character male Bisexual  is a Qunari, WTF. For the women is the hot ,nice and good Josephine. But  For man is a Qunari to romance , ...unfair..

I don't know about you but QUNARI romance is something people have been killing for to get.

And if you are anti-qunari type then you have Dorrian that is sexy,attractive and damn just look at this pic...

[daveliam]

The easiest way to think about the requests is that we're pretty much asking to have a gay Lancelot/King Arthur or a lady lesbian version of that archetype.  The white honorable knight on the gallant steed, that kind that gives a favor to his lady.  We'd like to see if the DA team is willing to turn that archetype a little on its side.  A female knight giving her favor to her lady, or a male knight that gives his favor to his beloved man.  Alistair fits that trope really well.  We'd like to see something like that, only not hetero.  

 

Ninja'd, dang it.  I need more coffee.

 

Yep.  This^.  100%! 

 

And also the coffee part.

[Hellion Rex]

The easiest way to think about the requests is that we're pretty much asking to have a gay Lancelot/King Arthur or a lady lesbian version of that archetype.  The white honorable knight on the gallant steed, that kind that gives a favor to his lady.  We'd like to see if the DA team is willing to turn that archetype a little on its side.  A female knight giving her favor to her lady, or a male knight that gives his favor to his beloved man.  Alistair fits that trope really well.  We'd like to see something like that, only not hetero.  

 

Ninja'd, dang it.  I need more coffee.

I want a s/s king NOW!!!!!!!! I have waited so very long.

[daveliam]

I want a s/s king NOW!!!!!!!! I have waited so very long.

 

OT:  Are you familiar with Edward II of England?  Almost unanimously agreed that he was gay.  Of course, it ends really, really badly for him and his 'favourites". 

[Xilizhra]

OT:  Are you familiar with Edward II of England?  Almost unanimously agreed that he was gay.  Of course, it ends really, really badly for him and his 'favourites". 

Wasn't he the one who met that unfortunate incident with a very hot poker?

[daveliam]

Wasn't he the one who met that unfortunate incident with a very hot poker?

 

Yep.  That's the one. 

[Hellion Rex]

OT:  Are you familiar with Edward II of England?  Almost unanimously agreed that he was gay.  Of course, it ends really, really badly for him and his 'favourites". 

Lol, History minor. I am indeed very familiar with Edward II and the She-Wolf of France.