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[sylvanaerie]

I think the race-gating is because of lack of time for Solas and Cullen, since they are only ones that got that and they are newest romances. However I guess we have to wait and see what the "story-reasons" behind their race-gatings are.

 

I suspect Cullen's has more to do with his presence in the Circle for so many years.  His 'standard of beauty' is the elven/human mages and templars he was exposed to on a daily basis.  
 

And, yea dwarves and Qunari being 'heathens' probably will play into that, but Dalish also fall into that category....so, not sure what will be the tipping point.  I suspect it's my first assumption above.

 

Considering the mind-f the demon (I suspect Desire) in the Ferelden Circle did to him, torturing him with my Surana's face, I'm curious what he will say to my Dalish mage during my first playthrough.

[Panda]

I suspect Cullen's has more to do with his presence in the Circle for so many years.  His 'standard of beauty' is the elven/human mages and templars he was exposed to on a daily basis.  
 

And, yea dwarves and Qunari being 'heathens' probably will play into that, but Dalish also fall into that category....so, not sure what will be the tipping point.  I suspect it's my first assumption above.

 

Considering the mind-f the demon (I suspect Desire) in the Ferelden Circle did to him, torturing him with my Surana's face, I'm curious what he will say to my Dalish mage during my first playthrough.

 

Well since we are playing surface dwarf and Vashoth.. only elf seems to be "heathen" this time ^^

 

I guess it can be about unexposure to different races since qunaris are pretty rare and dwarves don't have magic nor I have seen them templars either (idk why, their natural magic resistance would make them great templars ).

[Paul E Dangerously]

Well since we are playing surface dwarf and Vashoth.. only elf seems to be "heathen" this time ^^

 

I guess it can be about unexposure to different races since qunaris are pretty rare and dwarves don't have magic nor I have seen them templars either (idk why, their natural magic resistance would make them great templars ).

 

Not many Chantry dwarves that I've seen - even surfacers. Might eventually change depending on your decision about Brother Burkel and Orzammar, though.

[Panda]

Not many Chantry dwarves that I've seen - even surfacers. Might eventually change depending on your decision about Brother Burkel and Orzammar, though.

 

Well humans aren't automatically Andrastian either (though our family seems to be). I just don't think Andrastianism can be requirement for him when Dalish elf is option but surface dwarf and Vashoth isn't, I'd think latter have been more touch with Andrastianism after all ^^

[Eri]

This is still keeping in mind that Cullen was interested in a female human or elf in Origins, so perhaps elves are also acceptable because he finds them visually appealing (slimmer body, pointy ears, finer features, etc), while dwarves and qunari not so much? Not like he would be the first person to ever "discriminate" or feel an attraction based on appearance.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Well humans aren't automatically Andrastian either (though our family seems to be). I just don't think Andrastianism can be requirement for him when Dalish elf is option but surface dwarf and Vashoth isn't, I'd think latter have been more touch with Andrastianism after all ^^

 

Ah, sorry. I meant in reference to the "Why aren't there more Dwarven Templars" bit.

[Panda]

Ah, sorry. I meant in reference to the "Why aren't there more Dwarven Templars" bit.

 

Oh, I didn't catch that ^^

 

Well I guess that is the major reason. Chantry should aim marketing campaing for them though!

[sunnydxmen]

[XMissWooX]

If they made Cullen bisexual then it's only fair they make Dorian bisexual. And if they made Dorian bisexual they'd have to make Sera bisexual. And if they made Sera bisexual they'd have to make Cassandra bisexual. And if they made Cassandra bisexual they'd have to make Blackwall bisexual. And if they made Blackwall bisexual they'd have to make Solas bisexual. And then everyone would be bisexual/pansexual and everyone would get angry.

[daveliam]

..... everyone would get angry.

 

There are actually a bunch of people who would be thrilled if they were all bisexual. 

 

I'm fine with either approach because there are pros and cons for each.  I certainly wouldn't be angry if they were all bisexual.

[XMissWooX]

There are actually a bunch of people who would be thrilled if they were all bisexual. 
 
I'm fine with either approach because there are pros and cons for each.  I certainly wouldn't be angry if they were all bisexual.

I wouldn't be at all angry if they were all bisexual either, but I know a lot of people would be.
There is also the issue of resources - if all LIs were bisexual, we'd probably get less of them.

[daveliam]

I wouldn't be at all angry if they were all bisexual either, but I know a lot of people would be.
There is also the issue of resources - if all LIs were bisexual, we'd probably get less of them.

 

Agreed.  We'd certainly not have Cullen or Solas.  And we would have likely only had Cassandra and Sera for the ladies and Blackwall and Dorian for the guys. 

[s-jay2676]

Agreed.  We'd certainly not have Cullen or Solas.  And we would have likely only had Cassandra and Sera for the ladies and Blackwall and Dorian for the guys. 

It would have been enough for me.

[XMissWooX]

Agreed.  We'd certainly not have Cullen or Solas.  And we would have likely only had Cassandra and Sera for the ladies and Blackwall and Dorian for the guys.

I'd have been very happy with those choices but, with what I know now, I'd certainly miss Bull, Josie, Cullen and Solas.

[daveliam]

It would have been enough for me.

 

Me too, to be honest.  I'm happy with all of the guys (maybe not Solas), but the only gal that I was interested in for my sole female inquisitor was Cass, so this would have given me access to my #1 female choice and #1 & #2 male choices and still been able to play as s/s inquisitors.  Instead I have to settle for my #2 female choice and my #1 & #3 male choices.  Is it a big deal?  Nope.  Is it a deal breaker?  Nope.  Would I like it better that way?  Maybe.  The downside would be that we would still never have had a gay male companion, so that would suck.

[Battlebloodmage]

Nah, Bioware can't imagine how a heroic white knight type can possibly be gay, so they won't be in the game ever.

[Jaesmin1993]

Well, it certainly is difficult to satisfy everyone. But I think they handled it nicely in DA2 to not make a big deal out of it at all if one character romanced someone of the same gender, it's like: Ohh you and that one....interesting. And then all go and do whatever they do. It's a pretty great they're doing it like this!

[Jagokoz]

Nah, Bioware can't imagine how a heroic white knight type can possibly be gay, so they won't be in the game ever.

I am not sure that is true. You are basing it on past games so I can't fault you there, but Bioware has been a lot more open about portraying people of all walks of life without really offending the base they are portraying (correct me if I am wrong). I would not be surprised if this whole topic wasn't discussed at length before scrapping the idea for a variety of reasons. 

 

I just think the idea of everyone being bisexual takes away from the individuality of each character. I like variety and choice as much as any American but if I wanted to manipulate everything in the game I would play SIMS. For realism's sake some npc's should have opinions and boundaries that cannot be crossed. DA2 lost me in the end because Fenris spent the whole game complaining about mages, was my 100% rival, and he helped defend Hawke (who was a mage). You can win over people but that just seemed ridiculous. Same with sexuality. Someone may be a little curious but not all men can go the Kaidan Alenko route of switching sides.

[Natashina]

Well, been awhile since I've seen one of these.

 

OP, I'm sorry that Cullen is straight and gated towards two races.  It does suck, and this thread is a nice bit of proof that not all of Cullen's fans are straight/bi women.  I do agree that there should be a gay knight in shining armor romance down the road.  It's high time that BioWare does one of those, and I show my support when the suggestion for a gay knightly romance shows up.

 

However, I am very opposed to changing the sexual orientation of any companion/adviser in this coming game.  It's a part of who they are, even if I don't like it.  Shoot, I was (and still am, I suppose) a big Varricmancer.  He's not available in any way, shape or form.  I don't have the luxury of rolling another race or gender for the romance I really wanted.  Yet, I'm not going to ask the DA team to change that because his lack of availability is going to play into his story, whether I like it or not.  It's not a good idea in this case and sadly, it wouldn't be a good idea for Cullen.

 

 

 

 

I just think the idea of everyone being bisexual takes away from the individuality of each character. I like variety and choice as much as any American but if I wanted to manipulate everything in the game I would play SIMS. For realism's sake some npc's should have opinions and boundaries that cannot be crossed. DA2 lost me in the end because Fenris spent the whole game complaining about mages, was my 100% rival, and he helped defend Hawke (who was a mage). You can win over people but that just seemed ridiculous. Same with sexuality. Someone may be a little curious but not all men can go the Kaidan Alenko route of switching sides.

 

 

Okay, bisexuals do have lines that can be crossed.  Please stop the idea like bisexuality is the half-point to being gay.  It isn't.  Kaidan nor any bisexual man just "switches sides."  They were born that way.  Sometimes, it can take folks well into adulthood to realize they are gay or otherwise not straight.  I'd be happy to list some examples of celebrities that realized they were gay in their 50s and 60s.  

 

The problem with say, Fenris being in love with a rival that's a blood mage or Anders in love with a staunch Templar has zero, I repeat, zero to do with whether or not they were bisexual.  That was an implementation problem with the class and friend/rival system, and one that I suspect was yet another victim of the literally 12 months that EA gave the DA team to finish the game.

 

As far as "all bisexuals not being realistic," please don't start that falsehood.  I've been speaking to a lot of posters on this subject for almost a year now, and you know what?  A lot of us have had friends where there was either no one straight in their close group of friends, or only one or two straight people.  Including me.  Out of my group of close 9 friends, only 1/3rd of them are straight.  That includes my husband.  So, is that unrealistic?  

 

You very well could have a friend, a co-worker you chat with, or family member right now that's either struggling with their sexual identity, or is bisexual and won't tell you.  I know of a lot of bisexuals that are leery of coming out even to close friends, because of the pre-conception that they "switched sides" somehow.  Or that they are "really gay and just don't admit it."  Or they are "just greedy and horny."   Or, if they are a girl, they "suddenly want threesomes."  I could go on.

 

I'm sorry, but four bisexuals in all of Thedas, that happen to have met Hawke, is a little unusual but not unrealistic.  

[daveliam]

I am not sure that is true. You are basing it on past games so I can't fault you there, but Bioware has been a lot more open about portraying people of all walks of life without really offending the base they are portraying (correct me if I am wrong). I would not be surprised if this whole topic wasn't discussed at length before scrapping the idea for a variety of reasons.

I just think the idea of everyone being bisexual takes away from the individuality of each character. I like variety and choice as much as any American but if I wanted to manipulate everything in the game I would play SIMS. For realism's sake some npc's should have opinions and boundaries that cannot be crossed. DA2 lost me in the end because Fenris spent the whole game complaining about mages, was my 100% rival, and he helped defend Hawke (who was a mage). You can win over people but that just seemed ridiculous. Same with sexuality. Someone may be a little curious but not all men can go the Kaidan Alenko route of switching sides.

Kaiden didn't 'switch sides'. He indicated preference for one gender in one game and was then revealed to be bisexual with that same original gender preference in the third game. No major rewrite or retcon.

Also, the DA2 approach didn't allow you to 'manipulate' the LIs sexuality. They were bisexual. Or, more accurately, 80% of them were bisexual. They still had opinions. Your issue with Fenris being able to be romanced by a blood mage has nothing to do with his bisexuality. Had he been straight, his romance would have played out the same way.

[Natashina]

Sorry for the off-topic, but I love the new avatar Dave.  

[RevilFox]

Well, been awhile since I've seen one of these.

 

OP, I'm sorry that Cullen is straight and gated towards two races.  It does suck, and this thread is a nice bit of proof that not all of Cullen's fans are straight/bi women.  I do agree that there should be a gay knight in shining armor romance down the road.  It's high time that BioWare does one of those, and I show my support when the suggestion for a gay knightly romance shows up.

 

However, I am very opposed to changing the sexual orientation of any companion/adviser in this coming game.  It's a part of who they are, even if I don't like it.  Shoot, I was (and still am, I suppose) a big Varricmancer.  He's not available in any way, shape or form.  I don't have the luxury of rolling another race or gender for the romance I really wanted.  Yet, I'm not going to ask the DA team to change that because his lack of availability is going to play into his story, whether I like it or not.  It's not a good idea in this case and sadly, it wouldn't be a good idea for Cullen.

 

 

 

 

Okay, bisexuals do have lines that can be crossed.  Please stop the idea like bisexuality is the half-point to being gay.  It isn't.  Kaidan nor any bisexual man just "switches sides."  They were born that way.  Sometimes, it can take folks well into adulthood to realize they are gay or otherwise not straight.  I'd be happy to list some examples of celebrities that realized they were gay in their 50s and 60s.  

 

The problem with say, Fenris being in love with a rival that's a blood mage or Anders in love with a staunch Templar has zero, I repeat, zero to do with whether or not they were bisexual.  That was an implementation problem with the class and friend/rival system, and one that I suspect was yet another victim of the literally 12 months that EA gave the DA team to finish the game.

 

As far as "all bisexuals not being realistic," please don't start that falsehood.  I've been speaking to a lot of posters on this subject for almost a year now, and you know what?  A lot of us have had friends where there was either no one straight in their close group of friends, or only one or two straight people.  Including me.  Out of my group of close 9 friends, only 1/3rd of them are straight.  That includes my husband.  So, is that unrealistic?  

 

You very well could have a friend, a co-worker you chat with, or family member right now that's either struggling with their sexual identity, or is bisexual and won't tell you.  I know of a lot of bisexuals that are leery of coming out even to close friends, because of the pre-conception that they "switched sides" somehow.  Or that they are "really gay and just don't admit it."  Or they are "just greedy and horny."   Or, if they are a girl, they "suddenly want threesomes."  I could go on.

 

I'm sorry, but four bisexuals in all of Thedas, that happen to have met Hawke, is a little unusual but not unrealistic.  

 

I think it's important to point out that there are actually a few different reasons to be against every LI being bisexual. I agree with you that the argument that "It's unrealistic that every LI in DA2 was bisexual" is absurd. For me, I'm against the idea that every LI in every Bioware game should be bisexual, which is what a lot of people who are asking for this seem to want. "Why couldn't we just stick with the DA2 sexuality system?" comes up a lot, and I think that is an equally absurd statement. Unless the world building is that everyone is bi, in which case I'm all for it, I want my companions to be created with set sexualities. If they all happen to be bisexual, I have no issue with that. If they all happen to be gay, I have no issue with that. If all of them happens to be bisexual or gay or straight, but has no interest in my PC, I have no issue with that (well, okay, I'd cry a little). 

[Lux]

Not that I care much about game romances but I got to say that iron bull might be one of the most uninteresting love interests that Bioware came up with. Not only he is open to any gender and race, devs also needed to prepare multiple cutscenes for height purposes for a Qunari with disproportionate body mass and gravity-defying horns.

It's like a romance caricature. Riding the bull indeed.

[Natashina]

Not that I care much about game romances but I got to say that iron bull might be one of the most uninteresting love interests that Bioware came up with. Not only he is open to any gender and race, devs also needed to prepare multiple cutscenes for height purposes for a Qunari with disproportionate body mass and gravity-defying horns.

It's like a romance caricature. Riding the bull indeed.

Oh for the love of...Do you have a copy of the game?

 

The game isn't even out yet.  It doesn't go gold for another 7 days, so how do we know how interesting or uninteresting his romance is going to be?  

 

He's not to my taste either, upon first impression, but I'm going to give him a chance.  To be completely honest, none of the LIs rank much more than "meh" on my excitement scale.  That isn't deterring me though.  One of the greatest strengths of this company is their ability to write interesting and compelling characters, at least for my experience.   I know better than to let the first impressions of companions affect my decision in a BioWare game.  I prefer getting to know them first, then deciding from there.

 

I would recommend anyone do the same before they start decrying that a romance story sucks.  Play the game first, and then come back with your impressions.  Otherwise, I can't take that opinion too seriously at the moment.

 

PS: The fans came up with Riding the Bull, not the devs.   

[Lux]

I was referring to physical appearance. First appearances thing. He doesn't look that interesting as a romance, IMO.

Again, I usually overlook this part of the game and he sems odd to me as a universal option.