Nah, Bioware can't imagine how a heroic white knight type can possibly be gay, so they won't be in the game ever.
So help me God, we will have a gay white knight. It will happen and I will be here to see it, no matter how long it takes to get that damn romance.
So help me God, we will have a gay white knight. It will happen and I will be here to see it, no matter how long it takes to get that damn romance.
Preach my brother!
Gay and lesbian players should have their knightly romances too.
I was referring to physical appearance. First appearances thing. He doesn't look that interesting as a romance, IMO.
Again, I usually overlook this part of the game and he sems odd to me as a universal option.
Still, that isn't enough to say that his romance is going to suck at this point. He could have one of the most interesting romances in the game, we don't know that yet. I can understand not being interested in him on first impression.
Preach my brother!
Gay and lesbians should have their knightly romances too.
All I want is a lesbian to romance who is exactly like Jack... 
All I want is a lesbian to romance who is exactly like Jack...
Sure thing, more variety for everyone! We know we can't get what we all want from this game (Cullen/Cass being bi, a dwarven romance in my case,) but I'm happy to encourage ideas and suggestions for future games. 
So I feel kinda bad that I got all the romance options I wanted. 
Dorian and Iron Bull for male Quizzys and Cullen for my female. Blackwall will suit my Qunari mage just fine 
and I will eventually do all the romances but I haven't planned my other characters out yet.
So I feel kinda bad that I got all the romance options I wanted.
Dorian and Iron Bull for male Quizzys and Cullen for my female. Blackwall will suit my Qunari mage just fine
Hey, don't you dare feel bad! You shouldn't feel bad that you got what you wanted. 
All I want is a lesbian to romance who is exactly like Jack...
Loved Jack! Great character!
Hey, don't you dare feel bad! You shouldn't feel bad that you got what you wanted.
I feel the same way. Mikey, you haven't been around going, "ha ha" or telling people to quit expressing their concerns for the romances they wanted. You've been nothing but supportive and polite overall. You've got nothing to feel bad about. 
Loved Jack! Great character!
I was actually surprised she wasn't a bi romance
I was actually surprised she wasn't a bi romance
Same. Never wanted to romance her myself, but I guess she just...."pinged" for me?
Same. Never wanted to romance her myself, but I guess she just...."pinged" for me?
I didn't need a ping. She makes several comments about being with women, including that she's had lovers, but "never a boyfriend or a girlfriend." She also talks about a couple that she was going to a robbery job with. "They invited me into their bed, then to my share of the take." She was all but stated as bisexual and instead she...wasn't available to the female PC.
Now to be fair, just because she was stated having bisexual encounters doesn't mean they had to make her a bisexual romance. It doesn't sit that great though.
I think it's important to point out that there are actually a few different reasons to be against every LI being bisexual. I agree with you that the argument that "It's unrealistic that every LI in DA2 was bisexual" is absurd. For me, I'm against the idea that every LI in every Bioware game should be bisexual, which is what a lot of people who are asking for this seem to want. "Why couldn't we just stick with the DA2 sexuality system?" comes up a lot, and I think that is an equally absurd statement. Unless the world building is that everyone is bi, in which case I'm all for it, I want my companions to be created with set sexualities. If they all happen to be bisexual, I have no issue with that. If they all happen to be gay, I have no issue with that. If all of them happens to be bisexual or gay or straight, but has no interest in my PC, I have no issue with that (well, okay, I'd cry a little).
The thing that sticks to me is that... According to Dragon Age lore, in Thedas, non-heterosexuality does not have the same attached social stigma that it does in our world. Fereldens find it unusual but are accepting, Orlais calls it a 'quirk of character,' Antivans encourage polyamory, the Chantry has no official stance... Only Tevinter seems to be outright against it, and even then, it's considered acceptable so long as it's kept to a favored slave and there's a public marriage to allow bloodline continuity. Basically, there's only pressure to have a relationship that results in a child to ensure the continuation of specific bloodlines, and otherwise, in Thedas, that stigma of non-heterosexuality is hardly there.
And in our world, history shows that when there isn't a social stigma attached to sexuality, acting on non-heterosexuality is much more common. So in that case, why WOULDN'T more of these characters be bisexual, and why would it HAVE to be considered a character trait? It feels to me that to say that these characters aren't at least open to the idea is more of elements of our world's societal stigmas intruding, rather than a stigma that is true to the world that has been built up in the games. To these characters, if they're not heterosexual, it wouldn't HAVE to be something they'd draw attention to or make a big deal out of, because their world DOESN'T make an issue of it.
Especially when I've seen the excuse of 'it didn't fit the character for them to be [x]' as to why characters aren't established as bi. Sexuality just says who a character will sleep with, nothing more. How does it fit or not fit a character? What is this checklist that a character needs to fit in order to 'fit' being bi? I'm not against it being a character trait, but when it is, it's often used more as a crutch - 'they're bi, so they'll sleep with EVERYONE, so they're going to be going around, flirting with anything that moves!' I don't want to see this anymore, because I see it as an unpleasant stereotype, that because this character is bi, they're going to be attracted to everyone and try to get in their pants.
My preference is that LIs be bi-unless-gay, since there are so few gay characters in media. Just... give the most content to the most players and let them pick their chosen romance from there, no problem. Though I'm not against there being characters with a gender preference, that you have to work a little harder to get them to enter a romance with a given gender PC. Like, say for example, if there's an approval system like in DAO/DA2, a character would respond to flirtations from opposite gender PCs at +25 and same gender PCs at +50.
Nah, Bioware can't imagine how a heroic white knight type can possibly be gay, so they won't be in the game ever.
Hummm no, Cullen is a racist and a stalker that things mages are not people but weapons. If anything the knight would be Blackwall which I can agree, they need to expand their variations.
All the romances for female s/s are almost all rogues and one mage, One is a bard/assassin, the other is an pirate queen and the last is a criminal? wait all are criminals thinking about it, maybe Merrill... but than again blood magic. Either way I think they need some new ideas. The only I see that is quite different is Josephine and even then I have my doubts.
My preference is that LIs be bi-unless-gay, since there are so few gay characters in media. Just... give the most content to the most players and let them pick their chosen romance from there, no problem. Though I'm not against there being characters with a gender preference, that you have to work a little harder to get them to enter a romance with a given gender PC. Like, say for example, if there's an approval system like in DAO/DA2, a character would respond to flirtations from opposite gender PCs at +25 and same gender PCs at +50.
I was with you until this last part. The majority may have gotten the most representation among the media, but it's wrong to exclude them entirely. I'm a fan of equal representation, including for the straight majority. I know you have good intentions, but completely favoring the LGBT community like most media has with the hetero community isn't a good idea. It just leads to the same inbalance, only in the opposite direction. That's not the best way to approach the topic of representation. The best to do is to hope for more of a balance, which BioWare is certainly trying to achieve.
I also am opposed to the system you proposed. This goes back into the problem of turning bisexuality into a game mechanic, which was a criticism for DA2 (one that I do share, despite enjoying the approach.) I would prefer more of a variety of representation. If a LI is bisexual, then just let it be stated from the start. No cute hints, no hiding, no friendship mechanic involved.
One of the things I love about video games in general is the ways they can mirror our experiences in the real world. It would break my suspension of disbelief if there was no straight main characters. Not to mention as someone who does believe in equal rights, I'd have a lot of problems with this.
I was with you until this last part. The majority may have gotten the most representation among the media, but it's wrong to exclude them entirely. I'm a fan of equal representation, including for the straight majority. I know you have good intentions, but completely favoring the LGBT community like most media has with the hetero community isn't a good idea. It just leads to the same inbalance, only in the opposite direction. That's not the best way to approach the topic of representation. The best to do is to hope for more of a balance, which BioWare is certainly trying to achieve.
I also am opposed to the system you proposed. This goes back into the problem of turning bisexuality into a game mechanic, which was a criticism for DA2 (one that I do share, despite enjoying the approach.) I would prefer more of a variety of representation. If a LI is bisexual, then just let it be stated from the start. No cute hints, no hiding, no friendship mechanic.
One of the things I love about video games in general is the ways they can mirror our experiences in the real world. It break my suspension of disbelief if there was no straight main characters. Not to mention as someone who does believe in equal rights, I'd have a lot of problems with this.
I agree with you on most levels but one honest questions does it break your immersion if it is only straight characters?
I agree with you on most levels but one honest questions does it break your immersion if it is only straight characters?
In a BioWare game, that hasn't happened for years. Plus, I'm only speaking of BioWare games, not all video games as a whole. I wanted to make that clear.
If BioWare was to only do straight characters, yes it would break my immersion completely. For other companies, it depends upon the game.
Edit: I should probably give an example. In the RE games, one of the villains turns out to be gay, crazy and evil. He's the only gay character stated as such in the series that is a prominent character. The heroes, on the other hand, are shown as straight (sometimes talking about a relationship with someone of the opposite gender) or not stated as LGBT by their developers. I have a problem with an all straight-cast of heroes if the only LGBT representation is of a reoccurring villain.
It breaks my immersion that in that entire world, out of all the people that S.T.A.R.S and Umbrella corp have gotten involved with this mess, the only one stated to be gay is a bad guy.
To make my stance very clear (because I'm not sure I explained it well): I don't care what sexual orientation the LIs (or Non-LIs) have in game. I just want them to be created with whatever that orientation happens to be in mind. I want their sexual orientation to be one of the many lenses that has colored that character's perceptions throughout their life. What I don't want, and what many people who are asking for all bisexual LIs seem to be asking for, is for characters to be written without their sexual orientation in mind at all, and then simply labeled as bisexual and open to everyone.
My absolute favorite LI in any Bioware game is Jack. As was stated above by Natashina, there was dialog in the game that outright stated she was bisexual, however she was not open to a relationship with Femshep. I would have been completely fine with this, although very sad that I would never get to romance her (and I AM very sad I will never get to romance her). I would have preferred if they added just one line saying that Shepard wasn't her type of woman, but whatever.
Fleshing out her friendship with the "magical penis" syndrome would have also been nice too, but that's another rant for another thread. 
A strong, handsome, gay knight to sweep me off my fabulous feet? Yes please.
A strong, handsome, gay knight to sweep me off my fabulous feet? Yes please.
Don't forget a strong, beautiful lesbian knight for the ladies.
I also am opposed to the system you proposed. This goes back into the problem of turning bisexuality into a game mechanic, which was a criticism for DA2 (one that I do share, despite enjoying the approach.) I would prefer more of a variety of representation. If a LI is bisexual, then just let it be stated from the start. No cute hints, no hiding, no friendship mechanic involved.
Well, it wasn't a game mechanic for three years. There were 2 aambiguous, 2 bisexual, and 1 heterosexual. That's how Bioware presented it.
In a BioWare game, that hasn't happened years. Plus, I'm only speaking of BioWare games, not all video games as a whole. I wanted to make that clear.
If BioWare was to only do straight characters, yes it would break my immersion completely. For other companies, it depends upon the game.
Edit: I should probably give an example. In the RE games, one of the villains turns out to be gay, crazy and evil. He's the only gay character stated as such in the series that is a prominent character. The heroes, on the other hand, are shown as straight (sometimes talking about a relationship with someone of the opposite gender) or not stated as LGBT by their developers. I have a problem with an all straight-cast of heroes if the only LGBT representation is of a reoccurring villain.
It breaks my immersion that in that entire world, out of all the people that S.T.A.R.S and Umbrella corp have gotten involved with this mess, the only one stated to be gay is a bad guy.
Whoa, hold on there... are you talking about...
Whoa, hold on there... are you talking about...
Spoiler
Yep. It still pisses me off too.
Why do people ever got the idea that Cullen was going to be bixesual?
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