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[BronzTrooper]

Oh Miranda, the only person who could've gotten me to cheat on  Liara. At least her friendship path was good, I felt like Shepard and her were bffs by the end of ME2, were as I didn't feel like Jack & Shepard were friends until ME3.

 

Gotta say that I was surprised that Jack wasn't a bisexual romance, not only because she states that she has had female lovers but because her romance arch concludes with her telling broshep about her last boyfriend and why she finds it difficult to trust people, which was important to her character and something that I missed out on about her because I always play as a female Shepard.

 

Really, I've just thought about Jack as being bicurious instead of fully bisexual.  tbh, I think she's mostly straight, but open-minded when it comes to sex because she doesn't see emotional attachment being a part of it.  I mean, MaleShep can have a fling with her no problem in ME2 and she won't even care.  To her, sex is just an activity (probably not the best way to describe it), not anything binding.

[daveliam]

Awww.  

 

As a woman, I didn't particularly enjoy that line.  I like Alistair and his romance, but that sounds like something a 6th grader would say, followed by an obnoxious giggle.

 

Hey, Dorian is wonderful, right?  It's a step in the right direction, and hopefully after hearing the feedback about a gay knight, one that will continue going.  I know Dorian isn't a knight, but at least he's a kickass noble with a good heart.  That's a good way to start the first gay companion in the DA games.   Now, here's to offering suggestions for a gay knight down the road.  

 

Agreed 100%.  This is a great step in the right direction and it's definitely the upside to the variety of sexualities approach.  I would be really happy with a bisexual male white knight character too, but it means a little bit more to me for him to be gay.  Bisexual males are pretty rare in video games and don't exactly have the best representation either.  But the fact that I had to wait until 2014 (over 15 years after Baldur's Gate release) to get a clearly identified gay male companion?  Yeah, it feels good and Dorian will always have a special place to me.

 

Juhani in KOTOR is a lesbian and of the Jedi warrior(can't remember its name) class. 

 

Yeah, people always forget Juhani.  I remember back when Sera was first announced, people were calling her the first lesbian companion and I specifically remember using a picture of Juhani and the line "Juhani disapproves of your message" about a dozen times in a two day period.  Even if her romance is difficult to access, it boggles my mind that people just seem to forget her.  There's literally no way that I would have forgotten if, say, Canderous was identified in-game as gay. 

 

Lesbian representation in video games is always just a step ahead of gay male representation.  It's probably because the target audience has always been straight males who are more likely to play a f/f romance or lesbian character than a m/m romance or gay male character.  Just think of it this way:  We got our first f/f romance with a bisexual female companion in Kaidala in Neverwinter Nights in 2004 when they released Kingmaker.  We didn't get a m/m romance until the next year with Sky in Jade Empire.  We got our first lesbian romance with Juhani in KOTOR in 2003.  We didn't get a gay romance until Steve in ME 3 almost 10 years later in 2012.  Juhani was also the first lesbian companion in 2003 and now it's 11 years later until we get the first gay male companion with Dorian.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that lesbian or f/f representation has been good, just that it's been more frequent by just a drop and it certainly has happened much earlier than gay male or m/m representation.

[phantomrachie]

Really, I've just thought about Jack as being bicurious instead of fully bisexual.  tbh, I think she's mostly straight, but open-minded when it comes to sex because she doesn't see emotional attachment being a part of it.  I mean, MaleShep can have a fling with her no problem in ME2 and she won't even care.  To her, sex is just an activity (probably not the best way to describe it), not anything binding.

 

She cares if broshep has a fling with her because she stops talking to him afterwards and you can't romance her.

 

I agree though her mentioning female lovers doesn't mean she is attracted to femshep, my biggest issue was that there is an important part of her character that you don't find out about if you don't romance her.

 

Her feelings of abandonment after the first person she loved died. This is information that helps you understand her as a person.

 

I can understand why Jack wouldn't reveal this information when Shepard first meets her but by the end of ME2, Shepard and Jack can be friends, so I can't understand why she wouldn't confide in her friend. 

 

My hope is that DA:I has fully developed friendship paths for all the companions, so that we can learn about each character and their motivations in detail regardless of whether we romance them or not.

 

Now that we know all this LIs, this matters to be alot. I'd love to be able to romance Cass as a woman but now that I can't, I'd at least like my Inquisitor and Cass to be friends.

[skjutengris]

Game will be banned in Russia due to the gay/bisexual stuff.
its just how the russians are going back to feodal society again.

[BronzTrooper]

She cares if broshep has a fling with her because she stops talking to him afterwards and you can't romance her.

 

I agree though her mentioning female lovers doesn't mean she is attracted to femshep, my biggest issue was that there is an important part of her character that you don't find out about if you don't romance her.

 

Her feelings of abandonment after the first person she loved died. This is information that helps you understand her as a person.

 

I can understand why Jack wouldn't reveal this information when Shepard first meets her but by the end of ME2, Shepard and Jack can be friends, so I can't understand why she wouldn't confide in her friend. 

 

My hope is that DA:I has fully developed friendship paths for all the companions, so that we can learn about each character and their motivations in detail regardless of whether we romance them or not.

 

Now that we know all this LIs, this matters to be alot. I'd love to be able to romance Cass as a woman but now that I can't, I'd at least like my Inquisitor and Cass to be friends.

 

Actually, it kind of makes sense that she wouldn't tell Shep about that even if they were friends.  There are plenty of people who have things that they won't even mention to their friends, whether because of self-pride or because it's something that they don't want to tell anyone about.  When romanced, MaleShep is more than a friend and Jack feels that she has to at least let him know about what happened to the only person she actually loved.  It's things like this that make the romance feel so much deeper and real, imo.  If she still told FemShep or MaleShep(non-romance) about it if they were friends, it would take away from the significance of how closely she holds that memory and would detract from the depth of her romance arch.

[Milana]

Game will be banned in Russia due to the gay/bisexual stuff.
its just how the russians are going back to feodal society again.

The game wont be banned(since the game's rating is 18+ and the russian law prohibits the gay propaganda among minors),though it will get a lot of negative feedback because of that for sure.. thats why i try to stay away from russian dragon age community, still we have some people whos ok with it and even support it, but thats just a few people:(

 

About Cullen not being bi, i'm trying to get over my dissapointment,its not like they can change anything at this stage. And some still think that the reason that Cullen cant be bi because he flirted only with females before, it could be that, but maybe after Kaidan situation i hoped for better:( That leaves Dorian,Sera and Cassandra(again why not bi *sigh*) for my playthroughs,Iron Bull is too disproportionate for me and playing as straight female is not my thing

[phantomrachie]

Actually, it kind of makes sense that she wouldn't tell Shep about that even if they were friends.  There are plenty of people who have things that they won't even mention to their friends, whether because of self-pride or because it's something that they don't want to tell anyone about.  When romanced, MaleShep is more than a friend and Jack feels that she has to at least let him know about what happened to the only person she actually loved.  It's things like this that make the romance feel so much deeper and real, imo.  If she still told FemShep or MaleShep(non-romance) about it if they were friends, it would take away from the significance of how closely she holds that memory and would detract from the depth of her romance arch.

 

I know we're derailing the thread but let me say one more thing and then we can take it to PM if you like 

 

I'd have no issue with Jack keeping some things between herself and her LI IF her friendship arch had a comparable revel about her personality.

 

Instead Shep, helps Jack as much as she can and then Jack's all like 'I like you but sod off '

 

I'm not saying that Jack needs to get all teary eyed with a friend like she does with her LI but surely we could get to know her better as a person, like we did with Miranda.

 

The perfect DA example of this would be Morrigan, she is cold towards the Warden in the beginning but then you can become bffs with her and she revels more about her self to you even if you are not LIs, she doesn't necessarily have to revel the same details but she does tell a non romanced Warden how important her friendship is to her and how she feels that they are like sisters.

[Panda]

Game will be banned in Russia due to the gay/bisexual stuff.
its just how the russians are going back to feodal society again.

 

If it were going to be banned it would have already been

 

Though there is no saying if they will make their laws more strict in the future and maybe ban all tv shows, movies, literature, games etc. that include LGBT+ but that sounds like very hard, time consuming and simply ridiculous task so hopefully they don't go that far ^^; No saying though, after all Russia is threatening to boycot Eurovision from now on since they didn't like that gay drag queen won this years Eurovision ^^;

[Semyaza82]

Yeah, there hasn't been a gay male warrior in Bioware games yet. 

 

That's it. Thank you. 

Guardian = Warrior

Sentinel = Rogue

Consular = Mage

 

 

lol

 

It'd be nice to have a lot of romance types. 

   When i first read this i thought, surely there must be one - but i think you're right. Kaiden was a biotic and i guess we'd have to call the straight up (no pun intended) soldier like Ash the warrior build. And Steve doesn't really fit the warrior either. If you go way back into the distant mists of time and look at Jade Empire Sky was by profession a thief/rogue (though there weren't classes as such in the game).

   However, while not 'warriors' by comabt type i think both Kaiden and Sky fit the kind of 'white knight' ideal. Ok... maybe just Kaiden...but Sky was hot....mmmm Sky...

[Lady Luminous]

Wow... because that post didn't smack of entitlement, supremacism, and exclusion. 

 

Maybe you should try to be a little more accepting and open minded, OP. 

[Lady Luminous]

I'm more curious why bisexual is in quotation marks in the title. 

 

I just knew I should avoid this topic, but I just had to see how bad it was going to be. Quotation marks in titles are never good. 

[daveliam]

   When i first read this i thought, surely there must be one - but i think you're right. Kaiden was a biotic and i guess we'd have to call the straight up (no pun intended) soldier like Ash the warrior build. And Steve doesn't really fit the warrior either. If you go way back into the distant mists of time and look at Jade Empire Sky was by profession a thief/rogue (though there weren't classes as such in the game).

   However, while not 'warriors' by comabt type i think both Kaiden and Sky fit the kind of 'white knight' ideal. Ok... maybe just Kaiden...but Sky was hot....mmmm Sky...

 

Yeah, the m/m options have been (yep, the list is so short, I can do it by memory.....):

 

Sky - rogue-type class

Zev - rogue

Anders - mage

Fenris -- warrior

Kaidan - mage-type class

Steve - NPC, support character

Dorian - mage

Iron Bull - warrior

 

So there has been a nice variety, but none of them really fit the Anomen/Alistair/Sebastian/Cullen "White Knight" character.  I guess Kaidan would the be the closest, which is probably why he's still my favorite m/m option of all time.  He's just so damned dreamy.

[9TailsFox]

Game will be banned in Russia due to the gay/bisexual stuff.
its just how the russians are going back to feodal society again.

What wrong with feudal society its fine in crusaders kings 2.

[Semyaza82]

 I guess Kaidan would the be the closest, which is probably why he's still my favorite m/m option of all time.  He's just so damned dreamy.

 

I'm right there with ya - I actually never managed a play through of male Shep in ME3 without romancing him. 

[daveliam]

I'm right there with ya - I actually never managed a play through of male Shep in ME3 without romancing him. 

 

I did once, but I never even finished that playthrough.  It just felt.....wrong somehow.  To me, male Shep's true love is his comrade in arms, Major Alenko.  That's just the way it plays out for me.

 

Funny sidenote:  Literally just yesterday, I started a new ME playthrough (to help kill time in the next month) and, as I was creating Shep, I thought "Maybe I'll have this one romance Steve and actually finish the game........Naaaaah, who am I kidding?  There's no way that I won't be able to romance Kaidan!"  Knowing from the very beginning that Shep and Kaidan will end up together totally makes me view their interactions in ME and ME2 in a very different light.  And I love every second of it!

[Hellion Rex]

I did once, but I never even finished that playthrough.  It just felt.....wrong somehow.  To me, male Shep's true love is his comrade in arms, Major Alenko.  That's just the way it plays out for me.

[Icy Magebane]

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Yeah, people always forget Juhani.  I remember back when Sera was first announced, people were calling her the first lesbian companion and I specifically remember using a picture of Juhani and the line "Juhani disapproves of your message" about a dozen times in a two day period.  Even if her romance is difficult to access, it boggles my mind that people just seem to forget her.  There's literally no way that I would have forgotten if, say, Canderous was identified in-game as gay. 

 

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Slightly OT, but I don't even remember this character being in the game.  After hearing the name I had to look her up online but I still don't know who she is.  That seems odd because even if I don't remember everybody's name, I'm pretty sure I remember every party member from every rpg I've ever played... except for her, apparently.  I played through KOTOR many times, but for some reason she's not familiar to me even after seeing her face...  I assume that she was in the Xbox version because I didn't see anything about her being removed from the game on the wiki... hm...  Maybe I found her to be extremely boring or something....

[daveliam]

Slightly OT, but I don't even remember this character being in the game.  After hearing the name I had to look her up online but I still don't know who she is.  That seems odd because even if I don't remember everybody's name, I'm pretty sure I remember every party member from every rpg I've ever played... except for her, apparently.  I played through KOTOR many times, but for some reason she's not familiar to me even after seeing her face...  I assume that she was in the Xbox version because I didn't see anything about her being removed from the game on the wiki... hm...  Maybe I found her to be extremely boring or something....

 

She's in the game on XBOX.  She's the Jedi that is corrupting the grove at the Jedi Temple when you complete your Jedi training.  She's required to be interacted with to advance the plot.  You can either kill her or successfully persuade her to reject the Dark Side.  If you do the latter, she's recruitable and a solid melee tank.

[Icy Magebane]

She's in the game on XBOX.  She's the Jedi that is corrupting the grove at the Jedi Temple when you complete your Jedi training.  She's required to be interacted with to advance the plot.  You can either kill her or successfully persuade her to reject the Dark Side.  If you do the latter, she's recruitable and a solid melee tank.

I think I must have killed her then... that's the only way that I can explain this.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

I did once, but I never even finished that playthrough.  It just felt.....wrong somehow.  To me, male Shep's true love is his comrade in arms, Major Alenko.  That's just the way it plays out for me.

 

Funny sidenote:  Literally just yesterday, I started a new ME playthrough (to help kill time in the next month) and, as I was creating Shep, I thought "Maybe I'll have this one romance Steve and actually finish the game........Naaaaah, who am I kidding?  There's no way that I won't be able to romance Kaidan!"  Knowing from the very beginning that Shep and Kaidan will end up together totally makes me view their interactions in ME and ME2 in a very different light.  And I love every second of it!

 

I think you know by now that we relate on a number of levels, this is sooo one of them . Kaidan is my only canon romance, and worse, with modding ME1 to have him like me from there. I've done other romances, made other stories, but unlike my Dragon Age storylines, there's only one story I tell in ME in my head, and it involves Kaidan. Sad, I know.

 

Slightly OT, but I don't even remember this character being in the game.  After hearing the name I had to look her up online but I still don't know who she is.  That seems odd because even if I don't remember everybody's name, I'm pretty sure I remember every party member from every rpg I've ever played... except for her, apparently.  I played through KOTOR many times, but for some reason she's not familiar to me even after seeing her face...  I assume that she was in the Xbox version because I didn't see anything about her being removed from the game on the wiki... hm...

Juhani is hard to get and even harder to romance (you run a high chance of killing her while trying to recruit if I remember correctly), she's a Cathar (feline) Jedi Guardian, and while she's canonically lesbian, she's bi ingame due to bugs. And she's on every version (I've played Xbox and PC).

 

As for me, relating to OP, I wish Cullen was bi too. I don't care that he's race gated, but, yes, I wanted him to be bi. Maybe it was because there was money left, and I internally feel (my own prejudice of course), that it feels like another gay story apparently wasn't worth telling. Maybe because I'm afraid that the Iron Bull romance will end up really being a Friends with Benefits scenario and that isn't enough for me. And maybe I want a f*ing knight in shining armour for once. Maybe I want a templar (yes, specifically), who is interested in other men. Cullen had so little character in DAO anyway....

 

But now it doesn't matter. BioWare has made their choice. Locked it in. Any change at this point will get called fanservice and the LGBT fans might end up suffering as a result. (We did with Kaidan after all). Whatever happens, I just hope that the next hot templar is interested in men. And that, possibly, I can still flirt with Cullen and get turned down. He deserves to know how I feel after all.

[caradoc2000]

Juhani in KOTOR is a lesbian and of the Jedi warrior(can't remember its name) class. 

Silk Fox in Jade Empire is a warrior and bisexual as well.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Silk Fox in Jade Empire is a warrior and bisexual as well.

They were talking about gay warriors, not bisexual warriors. 

[caradoc2000]

I know, but since this is a bisexual thread, I thought to mention that. Sky mentioned above was bisexual as well.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Game will be banned in Russia due to the gay/bisexual stuff.
its just how the russians are going back to feodal society again.

 

1)ohh poor little russian childrens because of the ban of sexual propoganda for little childrens(when a part of it was a ban for propoganda of non-traditional SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP for LITTLE CHILDRENS) will not buy and play the 18+ game and will not see some of Orlais and Antivan culture?...

 

ooh wait a minute they still can(if their parents will allow) buy or download a 18+ game(as with GTA or others) what was not banned and noone will care to even think about it, if bioware will not go to some russian kindergartens and young classes of schools and start to show little childrens how iron bull with dorian bang with some dwarf man

 

2)russia back to empire age? not bad at all for russians and for rich and a size of their territories 

[Asdrubael Vect]

@Bioware We want "Cullen for male romance too" , please , is not fair, the character male Bisexual  is a Qunari, WTF. For the women is the hot ,nice and good Josephine. But  For man is a Qunari to romance , ...unfair..

and "we want" +1 female companion/advisor and Li option who is not another andrastian non-mage human character

 

...when all others have real differences in their options  and some as about almost full collections of types to romance as females...thats unfair too

 

so hope for dlc because this is the only for what you can hope now..its 20-30 days untill game will be available