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[Fast Jimmy]

and "we want" +1 female companion/advisor and Li option who is not another andrastian non-mage human character

...when all others have real differences in their options and some as about almost full collections of types to romance as females...thats unfair too

so hope for dlc because this is the only for what you can hope now..its 20-30 days untill game will be available

Not to come in and take the jam out of anyone's donut... but these kinds of discussions put me in the mindset that Bioware shouldn't do any romances at all.

When people are requesting new characters to be created of certain molds and archetypes just to be their sex puppets... that kind of freaks me out. Nothing to do with straight, bisexual or whatever orientation you want - it's strictly the breaking down of people into certain demographics, appearances and sexual preferences made to order that smacks of people seeing Bioware as their digital pimps.

And now I'll just go sit in the corner over here.

[AresKeith]

and "we want" +1 female companion/advisor and Li option who is not another andrastian non-mage human character

 

...when all others have real differences in their options  and some as about almost full collections of types to romance as females...thats unfair too

 

so hope for dlc because this is the only for what you can hope now..its 20-30 days untill game will be available

 

ok look he's back

[sylvanaerie]

Is it weird that I usually prefer (when switching to a male persona to romance a female/male or romancing a female character with a female character) to be the 'white knight' type?  I like the white knight type (Alistair is a particular favorite romance of mine, none of my lady wardens got past him to romance anyone else), but if I am going to romance my own gender (female) or play a guy romancing a guy, I prefer to be the knight.

 

Or am I alone in this?

[Muspade]

Is it weird that I usually prefer (when switching to a male persona to romance a female/male or romancing a female character with a female character) to be the 'white knight' type?  I like the white knight type (Alistair is a particular favorite romance of mine, none of my lady wardens got past him to romance anyone else), but if I am going to romance my own gender (female) or play a guy romancing a guy, I prefer to be the knight.

 

Or am I alone in this?

 

Nope. I enjoy being the knightly, manly man In my video game relationships too. It's oddly satisfying.

[daveliam]

Not to come in and take the jam out of anyone's donut... but these kinds of discussions put me in the mindset that Bioware shouldn't do any romances at all.

When people are requesting new characters to be created of certain molds and archetypes just to be their sex puppets... that kind of freaks me out. Nothing to do with straight, bisexual or whatever orientation you want - it's strictly the breaking down of people into certain demographics, appearances and sexual preferences made to order that smacks of people seeing Bioware as their digital pimps.

And now I'll just go sit in the corner over here.

 

Two things:

 

1.)  Why is it wrong to ask for a particular character archetype, which has never been offered before, to be a LI in a future game?  If it's a character type that I'm interested in exploring what a romantic storyline might be like, then what's the problem?

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2.)  When you use phrases like "sex puppets" and "digital pimps" in response to this topic, it indicates to me that you are (at best) not paying attention to the content of the conversation, (at worst) blatantly trolling to get a rise out of people, or (most likely) being rude and dismissive to fans of a particular aspect of the game that you don't value as much as them.  So which is it?

 

Is it weird that I usually prefer (when switching to a male persona to romance a female/male or romancing a female character with a female character) to be the 'white knight' type?  I like the white knight type (Alistair is a particular favorite romance of mine, none of my lady wardens got past him to romance anyone else), but if I am going to romance my own gender (female) or play a guy romancing a guy, I prefer to be the knight.

 

Or am I alone in this?

 

Nope.  I like to RP this way as well.  It doesn't stop me from wanting my LI to also be a 'White Knight'.  I think of a couple like Julien and Nicolas, who were both 'noble warrior' types, yet in a relationship with each other.  Or my Shepard/Alenko playthroughs, where both are soldiers and decorated war heroes in their own right.  I'd love to explore that dynamic.

[Icy Magebane]

Not to come in and take the jam out of anyone's donut... but these kinds of discussions put me in the mindset that Bioware shouldn't do any romances at all.

When people are requesting new characters to be created of certain molds and archetypes just to be their sex puppets... that kind of freaks me out. Nothing to do with straight, bisexual or whatever orientation you want - it's strictly the breaking down of people into certain demographics, appearances and sexual preferences made to order that smacks of people seeing Bioware as their digital pimps.

And now I'll just go sit in the corner over here.

If you don't like romance plots, then don't purse one.  It's pretty simple.  Even if you have no interest in this sort of thing, it shouldn't surprise you that the people who are interested have certain LI preferences...

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Two things:

 

1.)  Why is it wrong to ask for a particular character archetype, which has never been offered before, to be a LI in a future game?  If it's a character type that I'm interested in exploring what a romantic storyline might be like, then what's the problem?

 

I re-read his post 3 times, and I still don't understand your question. He didn't say that he was bothered by people asking for characters of different genders/sexualities for representation, he said that he was bothered by people asking for specifics in their romance options based on their own sexual desires. 

 

2.)  When you use phrases like "sex puppets" and "digital pimps" in response to this topic, it indicates to me that you are (at best) not paying attention to the content of the conversation, (at worst) blatantly trolling to get a rise out of people, or (most likely) being rude and dismissive to fans of a particular aspect of the game that you don't value as much as them.  So which is it?

 

I see plenty of possible motivations besides the exclusively negative ones that you mention, including what he said - that it feels to him like the emphasis on changing or producing characters specifically for the purpose of filling sexual desires feels off-putting.

 

If I say, "I want to see a gay dwarven dual-weilding rogue in the game some day, because I think it would be cool to see someone short, gay and willing to defy conventions like me,"  I doubt he'd have a problem with it (which, to me, is extremely clear from what he posted.)

 

If I say, "I want to romance a gay dwarven rogue and I want one in the game/want an existing character changed to give me this," he would feel like I was seeking surrogacy from a video game, which strikes him as off-putting.

 

I would concur the choice of words was not the best, but I'm not prepared to dismiss his point of view as trolling simply because I don't entirely agree with him or his wording.

[daveliam]

I haven't seen anyone mention sex in this thread this afternoon but him. So my issue with his comment is the deliberate misrepresentation that it's about sex, not plot.

And I am willing to dismiss his comments when they are part of a larger pattern is dismissive and rude 'trolling' of fans who enjoy romance content.

ETA: You'll notice my comment is about his choice of words.

[Ryzaki]

Is it weird that I usually prefer (when switching to a male persona to romance a female/male or romancing a female character with a female character) to be the 'white knight' type?  I like the white knight type (Alistair is a particular favorite romance of mine, none of my lady wardens got past him to romance anyone else), but if I am going to romance my own gender (female) or play a guy romancing a guy, I prefer to be the knight.

 

Or am I alone in this?

 

Nope. I love being the white knight. Especially as a male character :3

[Icy Magebane]

I re-read his post 3 times, and I still don't understand your question. He didn't say that he was bothered by people asking for characters of different genders/sexualities for representation, he said that he was bothered by people asking for specifics in their romance options based on their own sexual desires. 

 

 

I see plenty of possible motivations besides the exclusively negative ones that you mention, including what he said - that it feels to him like the emphasis on changing or producing characters specifically for the purpose of filling sexual desires feels off-putting.

 

If I say, "I want to see a gay dwarven dual-weilding rogue in the game some day, because I think it would be cool to see someone short, gay and willing to defy conventions like me,"  I doubt he'd have a problem with it (which, to me, is extremely clear from what he posted.)

 

If I say, "I want to romance a gay dwarven rogue and I want one in the game/want an existing character changed to give me this," he would feel like I was seeking surrogacy from a video game, which strikes him as off-putting.

 

I would concur the choice of words was not the best, but I'm not prepared to dismiss his point of view as trolling simply because I don't entirely agree with him or his wording.

No, I agree with daveliam on this... it's hard to misinterpret the intentions of a poster who comes into a thread and starts off by saying that people who follow the romance plots "freak him out" and follows that by making a blanket accusation that they want Bioware to be their "digital pimps."  I mean seriously, wtf... there's just no excuse for that.  I'm not giving him a pass because whatever his opinions, he didn't need to phrase it that way.

[Asdrubael Vect]

how funny to see some comments when i ask to add in dlc 1+ female companion who would be a non-human and non-andrastian..and mage

 

yes i said about them in archetype form because sometimes archetype said much more about character and in short words...or what, i shoud wrote a full fan wish list bio for a character what devs can create and i am sure that they as always already have dozens of characters who would be in game and would deserve to be near our hero more than some what we are forced to have in our party no matter what our opinion on them is and we cant rid of them

 

i ask about companion/advisor..Li who would be a representation of those members from "missed factions"...i call them "missed" because they are in game and as we know we can make alliances with many of them but we do not have any members of them in our party

 

Dalish, Rebellion mages, Dwarfs fro Orzammar/Kal-sharok, Nevarra, Tevinter(real soldiers or magisters not some exile, criminal and no-one like Dorian..who is ni better than fenris and some others criminal slavers or cultists), Tal-Vashots(real ones, not another qunari spy)

 

because we have a very huge lack of them

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Is it wrong that i dont give a flying monkys arse about who is shacking up with who?

heck i tend to play the game till i find a character i like first.. then bump ugglies. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I haven't seen anyone mention sex in this thread this afternoon but him. So my issue with his comment is the deliberate misrepresentation that it's about sex, not plot.

And I am willing to dismiss his comments when they are part of a larger pattern is dismissive and rude 'trolling' of fans who enjoy romance content.

ETA: You'll notice my comment is about his choice of words.

 

 

I understood from his post that the surrogacy that he was referring to was romantic. Nor do I think anything he said dismissed people who enjoy the romance content.

 

I enjoy the romance content, and I wasn't bothered by what he said. What he said wasn't directed at people who enjoy the romance content. It was directed at people who want the romance content to provide them with their specific romantic desires.

 

If you have an issue with his posting at large, you could always PM him about it. I was responding to what you said, I made no assumptions about any history between you.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

No, I agree with daveliam on this... it's hard to misinterpret the intentions of a poster who comes into a thread and starts off by saying that people who follow the romance plots "freak him out" and follows that by making a blanket accusation that they want Bioware to be their "digital pimps."

 

He was responding to a specific post, and made no mention of people who follow romance plots.

[Icy Magebane]

He was responding to a specific post, and made no mention of people who follow romance plots.

I don't see how that justifies his comments, but w/e... clearly you don't care about rude language as much as I do.

 

Honestly, replace "people who" and "a person who" and it's the same thing... so what point are you even trying to make here?

[Lady Luminous]

Not to come in and take the jam out of anyone's donut... but these kinds of discussions put me in the mindset that Bioware shouldn't do any romances at all.

When people are requesting new characters to be created of certain molds and archetypes just to be their sex puppets... that kind of freaks me out. Nothing to do with straight, bisexual or whatever orientation you want - it's strictly the breaking down of people into certain demographics, appearances and sexual preferences made to order that smacks of people seeing Bioware as their digital pimps.

And now I'll just go sit in the corner over here.

 

I'm of two minds on this, because I mean really... Wouldn't it just be too cool to be fighting along-side your dream companion?

 

Everyone has looks preferences, it's when we start acting as if our preferences superior to the rest that I think we have an issue. 

 

((Also, I have not note that your wording made me uncomfortable, although I think I understood your points.)) 

[Fast Jimmy]

No, I agree with daveliam on this... it's hard to misinterpret the intentions of a poster who comes into a thread and starts off by saying that people who follow the romance plots "freak him out" and follows that by making a blanket accusation that they want Bioware to be their "digital pimps." I mean seriously, wtf... there's just no excuse for that. I'm not giving him a pass because whatever his opinions, he didn't need to phrase it that way.

I'll freely admit digital pimp is not the most neutral term. I'm just at a loss to think of a more accurate one when fans are asking for a video game character they want to romance made to their requested preferences and specifications.

The medium of RPG video games is quite unique in that it often lends itself to projecting oneself into the main character. Which is great - we can feel like the hero or struggle with a choice and act how we would like. But when you are talking about an intimate (and, in Bioware games, predominantly culminating in a physical) romantic relationship with a character as yourself, it runs the risk of becoming... something outside of just fiction, into pure wish fulfillment.

In a way, I guess I find it creepy in the same manner that like like Japanese sex dolls are creepy. Manufactured romantic facsimiles of idealized mates. Asking for an LI in a Bioware game errs more on the emotional aspect of romance, as opposed to the physical... but it strikes me as odd in the same manner as if one were ordering a doll who looked exactly like your favorite actor/actress.

To each their own, but when people start calling a game unfair because their ideal LI isn't in it, it makes me wonder if they should even indulge this level of criticism for game elements that, to their own words, is just side content.

[Icy Magebane]

I'll freely admit digital pimp is not the most neutral term. I'm just at a loss to think of a more accurate one when fans are asking for a video game character they want to romance made to their requested preferences and specifications.

The medium of RPG video games is quite unique in that it often lends itself to projecting oneself into the main character. Which is great - we can feel like the hero or struggle with a choice and act how we would like. But when you are talking about an intimate (and, in Bioware games, predominantly culminating in a physical) romantic relationship with a character as yourself, it runs the risk of becoming... something outside of just fiction, into pure wish fulfillment.

In a way, I guess I find it creepy in the same manner that like like Japanese sex dolls are creepy. Manufactured romantic facsimiles of idealized mates. Asking for an LI in a Bioware game errs more on the emotional aspect of romance, as opposed to the physical... but it strikes me as odd in the same manner as if one were ordering a doll who looked exactly like your favorite actor/actress.

To each their own, but when people start calling a game unfair because their ideal LI isn't in it, it makes me wonder if they should even indulge this level of criticism for game elements that, to their own words, is just side content.

Right... okay, well I guess I never really got that involved in analyzing other people's hobbies...  even now you sound pretty condescending, so I guess you've made up your mind that you think insulting people is alright.  I mean seriously... how is it your business what people get out of video games?  It runs the risk of becoming wish fulfillment?  WTH?  I don't remember you being put in charge of which aspects of a game people should enjoy and how they should enjoy them... your opinion isn't nearly as valuable to the world as you seem to think it is.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I don't see how that justifies his comments, but w/e... clearly you don't care about rude language as much as I do.

 

Honestly, replace "people who" and "a person who" and it's the same thing... so what point are you even trying to make here?

 

That he didn't say anything about people who follow romance content.

 

It's at the top of the page. 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

just to point out that if you want to have a Ginger,  Black,  Gay,  Hetrochromatic, Dwarf, Ranger with a Suuuhweeeet Handelbar moustach well there is a create a character in the game. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm of two minds on this, because I mean really... Wouldn't it just be too cool to be fighting along-side your dream companion?

 

Everyone has looks preferences, it's when we start acting as if our preferences superior to the rest that I think we have an issue. 

I hate having such a limited like system.  I think you nailed it, and it goes beyond just romances in DA games.  I think that's one of the problems with the gaming community as a whole.  That's one of the many things I love about gaming: There is just so much variety out there.  We've hit the point where there is a video game for everyone.  We don't have to like it, but I feel like we spend too much time picking at each other and not enough time celebrating our love for games.

 

Now here's my problem in this case.

 

Is there some validity to the idea that the forums tend to dwell on romance?  Yeah, and sometimes I think that folks take it way too seriously.  I'll be the first to say that the forums can take the romances and go overboard with it.

 

I do think it's rude to come into a thread that's obviously talking about romances and accusing the posters of wanting BioWare to be "digital pimps" and wanting "sex puppets."  That's uncalled for and inaccurate.  It comes off as "I got the content I wanted.  Now I'm going to tell you why the content you'd like is bad, and I'm going to be as insulting as hell while I do it."   Is it because folks want bisexual romances?  

 

Even then, why be such a jerk about it for no good reason?  I'd like to have another variety of bisexual romance as well, but that doesn't mean I want a sex puppet.   It comes off as ignorant and more insulting when DA is a game that won't show a lot of prolonged sexual activity and much more than a boob/butt shot.  

 

If I want a "sex puppet" from a game company that's really being like "digital pimps," I know how to get a hold of such a game.  Most of us do, if we really wanted to.  Just don't go there.  

 

I find it very suspicious that the first time I read the "sex puppet" comment in a long time is in a thread dedicated to bisexual romances.  I have read a lot of the "I'm a straight guy and I'm dissatisfied" threads.  There has been no shortage of them so far in the last 6 weeks or so.   It only seems to be when the subject of LGBT romances comes up, we want "sex dolls," or whatever is the cool word to insult fans of BioWare romance this month.   Straight men asking for more of a variety of romances, to the point where some of them are flat out rude to everyone (posters, the company, the art direction,) is fine.  Yet, us horny evil bisexuals (and our gay friends) are asking for a warrior LI and suddenly that's icky.   

 

Oh and we don't want "Real Dolls" either.   _{For f*ck's sake.}

[Icy Magebane]

That he didn't say anything about people who follow romance content.

 

It's at the top of the page. 

Thanks, but you just said that...

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

I'm of two minds on this, because I mean really... Wouldn't it just be too cool to be fighting along-side your dream companion?

 

Everyone has looks preferences, it's when we start acting as if our preferences superior to the rest that I think we have an issue. 

 

((Also, I have not note that your wording made me uncomfortable, although I think I understood your points.)) 

kinda agree with you here but i agree with Jimmy to. this is going into Wifu teritory.

[Fast Jimmy]

Right... okay, well I guess I never really got that involved in analyzing other people's hobbies... even now you sound pretty condescending, so I guess you've made up your mind that you think insulting people is alright.

Glad to be of service!

[Grieving Natashina]

Then why are you compelled to post in a thread dedicated to romance if you feel that way?   I think it's creepy, yet adorable how folks are drawn to threads like this just to insult posters and tell us we're wasting our time.    Start an anti-romance thread, requesting that future DA games have no romance.  Oh, be sure to include things like "waifu", "sex dolls" and "digital pimps" in the OP, because that would be an honest and direct reflection of what is actually being said by some of the posters here.  Don't be shy, it's obvious that being insulting to BioWare and the fans of the romances isn't a concern of yours.

 

Me, I wouldn't care if a new IP from BioWare has romances in the future.  If they decide not to open that "pandora's box" (David Gaider's words there, not mine) for a new propriety, I wouldn't care as long as the characterization was still there and the friendship was as well.   I've played BW games where I didn't care for nor was inclined to try any romance.  In the case of NWN, I didn't even know it existed for the female PC until much later.  I remember Daelan Red Tiger more than whats-his-name that was the LI.  

 

However, I'm against having the romances removed for existing IPs, including the ME and DA games.  So, in light of that, I give my feedback on the romances.  Oh and that sex dolls comment is funny, considering that at GaymerX this year David Gaider and other members of the DA talked about having an asexual romance for future games.  

 

I even started a thread awhile back asking folks what their favorite friendships were, because I do feel like the fans focus on romance too much sometimes.