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[Icy Magebane]

Glad to be of service!

Well, I guess that's it for me then.  Clearly talking to you is a waste of time.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I hope one day I can nitpick like this. 

[Icy Magebane]

I hope one day I can nitpick like this. 

I'm confused... are you talking about a demi-sexual romance option?

[ComedicSociopathy]

To each their own, but when people start calling a game unfair because their ideal LI isn't in it, it makes me wonder if they should even indulge this level of criticism for game elements that, to their own words, is just side content.

 

You really shouldn't have come here accusing people of wanting sex puppets in their video game romances. That's just a sure fire way of getting people to dog-pile on your opinion even if it has some level of merit. Thank being said, I do agree that fans calling out Bioware for being unfair or mildly homophobic because they didn't create a Gay Knight-in-Shining-Armor character, or any other specific archetype they wanted in this particular game is overly critical.

 

For me personally when I found out that they didn't make Cullen or Blackwall a gay or bisexual LI I was disappointed... for about two minutes then I stopped caring entirely and decided I would just see how IB and Dorian turn out. Romance content is just not that big of a deal to continuously debate about, especially when the game isn't even out yet. 

[Gothfather]

/snip is not fair,

/snip , ...unfair..

 

I have seen a LOT of this kind of argument about the romances. Its not fair that [insert grievance here] arguments all seem to boil down to, "Its not fair that bioware did not create a romance that meets with my SUBJECTIVE approval. Well I am sorry but it is fair that the romance options you have available are infact ones you don't fancy. Yes it is a disappointment, yes it means there will be content you will not be pursuing but it is fair because for evey person that hates a given romance option another person will love it. Your subjective likes or dislikes don't trump someone elses contrary likes and dislikes. It does mean that sometimes you will be disapointed in your options but another person will be delighted.

 

I liked the 2 female romance options in DA:O but Not in DA2. So I romance Leliana and Morrigan but no Merrill and Isabela romace for me thank you. It was not unfair of bioware to create two romance options I didn't like because other people did like them.

 

A second set of Romance "its not fair" arguement is the one that female inquisitors get more choice. You don't have to have thing equal for them to be fair. Your inquisitor will have the largest room in the keep and that is fair even if the common soldier only gets a bunk with the squad. That is not equal bedding arangements in DA:I but it is FAIR. DA:I is a 'AAA' RPG this means they will be developing their game based on metrics, one of those metrics will be the demegraphics of who has played past DA games. One of the questions that often gets asked in gaming forums about bioware games is "Do you play the romances?" While every gender and sexuality does play them I see a LOT of Males saying NOPE they are not interested in the romance options. Bioware will have more than just my unscientific observations on the subject they will have hard numbers.

 

Here is something to consider; Bioware isn't going to invest all those extra romance options that Female Inquisitors get unless their Data showed that there was an advantage for them to add them. You create games that have the biggest bang to your target market. DA:I is a consumer product, what consumers want effects the type of products available. If you favourite ice cream flavour is rum and rasian but its not a popular flavour in your region of the world its NOT unfair that retailers don't carry it. If Bioware's numbers show that female players overwhelming desire romances more than males players than it makes sense for Bioware to give the LARGER group more options as this pleases more people for an equal amount of money. Also Bioware did not make one group happier at the exclusion of other groups.

 

Straight M Inquisitors have two options (Cassandra & Josephine)

Gay M Inquisitors have two options (The Bull & Dorian)

Gay F Inquisitors have two options ( Sera & Josephine)

Straight F inquisitors have 4 (Blackwall, Solas, Cullen & the Bull)

Bi M Inquisitors have 4 (Cassandra, Josephine, Dorian & the Bull)

Bi F Inquisitors have 6 (Sera, Josephine, Blackwall, Solas, Cullen & the Bull)

 

Giving players at least two options is inclusive and fair, just because Straight female Inquisitors get 4 options doesn't suddenly mean that bioware is being unfair, its simply means they feel that based on their metrics they make more playes happy per $ investing in more romance options for Female Inquisitors. Its not unfair its just the way market economies work.

[Gothfather]

Yeah, there hasn't been a gay male warrior in Bioware games yet. 

 

That's it. Thank you. 

Guardian = Warrior

Sentinel = Rogue

Consular = Mage

 

 

lol

 

It'd be nice to have a lot of romance types. 

 

I disagree, In DA2 fenris is a warrior and he is gay if you are male.

 

I think people missed the entire subtlety of the comanion sexuality system in DA2. There was only ONE bi character in DA2, Isabela. She was the only one that taked about her sexuality in terms of being attracted to both sexes.

 

I know everyone will decry thats not true they were all bi because you could romance them as either a male or female hawke. This is why i say the average player missed the subtlety of the DA2 system. In DA2 the world is not fixed the player makes changes to in during character creation, you can either choose from a history based on a pervious save of DA:O or use one of several default settings. The Key to note is that your history and the world history is defined during character creation.

 

One point of the world history is desided by your class which determines which sibling lives, the other is your sex. Anders is gay if you are male he is straight if you are female the same for fenris. Isabela is Bi regardless and Merrill is gay if you are female and straight if you are male. They designed it this way so that every sex and orientation had the exact same choices but the community freaked out.

 

Some of this freak out was homophobia with Anders, he chatted you up ONCE and if you said no he never bothered you again... err.. well.. he never tried to pick you up again but he was rather annoying in a completely unrealated way. And if you have ever been rejected by someone after asking them out whom you like it hurts so anders -10 relations was realisitc and reasonable. And there were SO many places to get those 10 points back it has almost zero impact long term.

 

Some of the freak out was not homophobia but by people not grasping that the reality that the world changed for your companions based on the choices you made in character generation. Just like you determine who was king of Ferelden is in DA2 during character creation so too you make the determination of the sexual orientation of 3 companions by choosing your sex, only isabela's sexuality in DA2 is fixed.

 

Given the above I think bioware has provides a male gay warrior romance option it might not be with a personality or look people wanted but he was a gay male romance option.

[Fast Jimmy]

Then why are you compelled to post in a thread dedicated to romance if you feel that way?   I think it's creepy, yet adorable how folks are drawn to threads like this just to insult posters and tell us we're wasting our time.    Start an anti-romance thread, requesting that future DA games have no romance.  Oh, be sure to include things like "waifu", "sex dolls" and "digital pimps" in the OP, because that would be an honest and direct reflection of what is actually being said by some of the posters here.  Don't be shy, it's obvious that being insulting to BioWare and the fans of the romances isn't a concern of yours.

 

 

 

Hmmmm.

 

I didn't come into a Romance thread that was "romances are so great... what romances do you guys want or are excited about? I can't wait to... <insert action here> with <insert companion> here!" That was not the case.

 

The OP (and others throughout the thread) were lamenting that Bioware unfairly treated them badly, that the type of character they wanted was not available and that <insert other player type here> was getting all the good options. 

 

Be a fan of romance. I don't groove with it, but that's your own choice. Be an advocate for every type of sexual preference you can want in a relationship. Rock and roll - equality for all. Talk about the romances you don't like. Talk about the options you wish were there. Talk about how you will go elsewhere or buy other things because of their choices.

 

But don't talk about Bioware is unfairly, CRUELLY, delivering an agenda against you and your tastes. That's where I find fault - that people take the romance content ENTIRELY too personally, as if every choice or option was available at one time and some act or decision snatched these wonderful characters away from you. That's not accurate, nor is it fair to Bioware, nor very healthy, in my own honest opinion. 

 

 

 

In terms of the lambasting I'm getting for implying there is a sexual/physical wish fulfillment angle to all of this, I'll go to the most recent "I wish there was a gay knight LI" line of thinking. Would you all be happy with a chivalrous knight in shining armor who was disfigured? Or overweight? Or who had ugly, disheveled hair? I'd wager not, considering there are those in this thread who are decrying that Bioware gave gay/bi players the "ugly" options. If there is an element of physical attractiveness required (and, hence, physical attraction to go along with it), then it would appear, at least at a rudimentary level, to be a component of a sexual nature. And since the vast majority of Bioware romances include (and often culminate) in a sexual act, then it is not at all inaccurate to equate the two, especially in terms of people when they request them. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm confused... are you talking about a demi-sexual romance option?

I was more referring to how people are wanting LIs to be a certain gender, orientation, and archtype whereas I have had nothing so I can't say "I'd like a male/female AS/demi of this archtype". I'd be happy with just the first two or even just the second being attended to.

[Gothfather]

how funny to see some comments when i ask to add in dlc 1+ female companion who would be a non-human and non-andrastian..and mage

 

yes i said about them in archetype form because sometimes archetype said much more about character and in short words...or what, i shoud wrote a full fan wish list bio for a character what devs can create and i am sure that they as always already have dozens of characters who would be in game and would deserve to be near our hero more than some what we are forced to have in our party no matter what our opinion on them is and we cant rid of them

 

i ask about companion/advisor..Li who would be a representation of those members from "missed factions"...i call them "missed" because they are in game and as we know we can make alliances with many of them but we do not have any members of them in our party

 

Dalish, Rebellion mages, Dwarfs fro Orzammar/Kal-sharok, Nevarra, Tevinter(real soldiers or magisters not some exile, criminal and no-one like Dorian..who is ni better than fenris and some others criminal slavers or cultists), Tal-Vashots(real ones, not another qunari spy)

 

because we have a very huge lack of them

I think this is unreasonable.

 

I don't think your desire is unreasonable but I just don't think it is reasonable for Bioware to fill all the possible factions with romance options.

 

I think games should be BROADLY representative of people but i don't think you need to include every possible form of sexual orientation including all the nuanced varriations that people can and do identify with. I think that Bioware has been very good at providing a BOARD representation of straight, bi and gay orientations. I also think they have been very good at presenting Thedas with a vast array of characters with different political, religious, social, economic and national motivations.

 

There are so many factions, with three broadly speaking sexual orientations represented in the game, if they gave each faction one romance option for the three orientations their numbers ballon, now add gender to the equation. I mean a gay companion doesn't help gay men if the companion is female and it isn't representative of gay females if the comanion is male. With just three varriables (Faction, gender and orientation) the numbers skyrocket. Well beyond the budget of a 'AAA' rpg. They just cant provide that many romances in the game.

 

I'd prefer my writers to create characters based on the art of storytelling vs trying to check the numerious boxes so that every variable gets a check. Bioware is pretty damn inclusive in their romance options. They may not give every individual exactly what their subjective heart's desire but they are represenative of the world we live in and the world they have created.

 

Its fine to want Bioware to provide you with what you desire but one shouldn't expect them to do so. I wanted them to create female romances in DA2 that i desire but they didn't. I accepted this (with disappointment) because i did not expect my subjective desires to be filled by bioware because what I didn't like other people loved. When something is subjective you can't please everyone this means you WILL make choices that people dislike or hate. We as gamers should accept that sometimes WE will be the ones that dislike or hate the choice made and that doesn't mean the developer made a bad choice only that they made a choice we don't like. Which is not the same thing at all.

[daveliam]

In terms of the lambasting I'm getting for implying there is a sexual/physical wish fulfillment angle to all of this, I'll go to the most recent "I wish there was a gay knight LI" line of thinking. Would you all be happy with a chivalrous knight in shining armor who was disfigured? Or overweight? Or who had ugly, disheveled hair? I'd wager not, considering there are those in this thread who are decrying that Bioware gave gay/bi players the "ugly" options. If there is an element of physical attractiveness required (and, hence, physical attraction to go along with it), then it would appear, at least at a rudimentary level, to be a component of a sexual nature. And since the vast majority of Bioware romances include (and often culminate) in a sexual act, then it is not at all inaccurate to equate the two, especially in terms of people when they request them. 

 

Wow, people want their LI's to be physically as well as emotionally and mentally attractive to them?  Alert the press.  Outside of a single post that insinuated that Bioware doesn't see gay men as being capable of the "white knight" trope, I haven't seen a single poster mention homophobia at all.  Simply pointing out that a particular archetype hasn't been explored yet =/= accusing Bioware of homophobia.

 

Oh, and if your issue is only around asking for physically attractive characters, then I will see you bring this post up in most of the "Why are the straight male options so ugly?" and "Why does Cass look like a man?" threads, right?  Because, if not, then what exactly are you actually complaining about?  In fact, I might go back and look some of those threads now and see if I can find your crusading on Bioware's behalf in them too.  I will find that, right?

[Joshraves]

I just really wanted to romance Solas as a male elf   
From the moment Solas was announced I've been really into his character.
I guess I'll have to settle for a bromance.

I mean, it's not the most important part of the game at all but romance is still one of my favourite parts.
And who knows, maybe one of the other characters will win me over, despite Solas being the only one I'm attracted to.
 

[sylvanaerie]

The first game I ever played that had any kind of 'romance' central to the story (beyond just the hero gets the girl kind of story) was Final Fantasy 8.  And it blew my mind.  Then I discovered Baldurs Gate 2.  Okay the romances in that weren't great, but that was when Bioware was still young, and growing into it and I still have to say I enjoyed them.  Even the knight with the perpetual steel rod up his rectum.  

Then I played WoW for a long time, with long breaks when life would get busy.  And that was like zero RP...at least not the kind of RP I wanted to engage in.

 

Then Origins came along and I was floored with the depth of writing.  I didn't even realize for the longest time that it was done by the same company that did Baldur's Gate, and for many years Baldur's Gate was the game I kept going back to.  The romances in that were so rich and both Alistair's and Morrigan's were intricately and superbly interwoven into the main plot as to make them seamless.

 

No, romances aren't the be-all and end-all of the game, but they add a wonderful dimension to the personalities of the characters you get to interact with, and sometimes in such all new ways, you discover whole nuances of writing you didn't see previously.  A character you may have been completely bro's with in one game becomes your love in another opening up new understandings of what makes the character tick.  Or another character you may not have liked much on your first run suddenly becomes more fun and interesting as you discover this new aspect to the writing put into them until you run through another game romancing them.

 

For me the romances unlock all these new possibilities and allow me to fully appreciate Bioware's work.  

[Fast Jimmy]

Wow, people want their LI's to be physically as well as emotionally and mentally attractive to them? Alert the press. Outside of a single post that insinuated that Bioware doesn't see gay men as being capable of the "white knight" trope, I haven't seen a single poster mention homophobia at all. Simply pointing out that a particular archetype hasn't been explored yet =/= accusing Bioware of homophobia.

Oh, and if your issue is only around asking for physically attractive characters, then I will see you bring this post up in most of the "Why are the straight male options so ugly?" and "Why does Cass look like a man?" threads, right? Because, if not, then what exactly are you actually complaining about? In fact, I might go back and look some of those threads now and see if I can find your crusading on Bioware's behalf in them too. I will find that, right?

No. You won't. Although I love your sanctimonious and superior tone.

[daveliam]

No. You won't. Although I love your sanctimonious and superior tone.

 

I think we all knew that already.......

[Fast Jimmy]

I think we all knew that already.......

You are trying to make this a homophobic issue. It's a weak defense - my original and continuing suggestion is this: romance content creates unnecessary dissonance from many fans and removing them (all of them) would save Bioware a ton of grief.

[daveliam]

You are trying to make this a homophobic issue. It's a weak defense - my original and continuing suggestion is this: romance content creates unnecessary dissonance from many fans and removing them (all of them) would save Bioware a ton of grief.

 

You could make that argument about almost any features of the game.  You can't remove the features that create unnecessary dissonance because you wouldn't have much of a game left.  The same way that you can't include everything that everyone wants.

 

All we can do is make suggestions and provide feedback in this forum.  I just don't understand why people feel the need to be so disrespectful when they post about what they don't want to see.  I tend to avoid threads that are asking for things that I don't necessarily want to see included.  And, if I feel that I need to have my voice heard, I do so without insults and move on.  

 

I think that romance content is less of the problem and the people who are not only against it, but rude, are the ones causing dissonance.  In fact, this thread was fairly innocuous until you came in to insult the posters.

[Natashina]

 The irony of that statement coming from someone with a Pepe Le Pew avatar is great.

 

Or, how about you not come into a thread and tell folks they are wasting their time.  There's a concept, if you can handle it.  I don't care if you're "negatory," I know how the company feels.  No, we aren't going to shut up and be grateful.  We are going to give feedback for our ideas.  You think we haven't been told this before, by other "concerned" posters such as yourself?  I think it's cute that you think that a poorly written post is going to change anyone's mind.

 

As Dave pointed out, no one called anyone homophobic.  I don't think you're being homophobic at all.  You're acting very rude, and impolite towards the posters, as well as sounding utterly idiotic about the DA team's history with the fans.  I wouldn't call you a homophobe though and I would defend any poster that tries to claim that about you.  

 

Now back to your heartfelt post, that you obviously put so much time and care into.  You do realize what you are sounding like, I hope.  If not, here's a recap.

 

"I got what I want out of a game.  Now I'm going to tell you to stop asking for what you want, and just be grateful that BioWare cares at all!  After all, who cares about what other players want.  It's only about coming into other threads and telling people that what they want is wrong.  I'm happy, why aren't they?  Maybe if I use more ellipses, I can really show them!"

 

How about you be grateful for your content and show some class towards those that have their own requests?  Is that too much work?

 

See, unlike you, BioWare has stated time and time again that they love hearing constructive feedback, especially coming from the LGBT community.  If you check out the footage from David Gaider's panel from GaymerX this year, they are even talking about doing an asexual romance after getting a lot of fan feedback for it.

 

Thanks for your "concern," but we'll take it from here. 

[Semyaza82]

   Just to echo Natashina and Dave - I've not seen anyone saying this is an issue of homophobia or discrimination. Personally I actually like that there are companions with defined sexuality and preferences - for me it makes them seem far fuller characters. However that doesn't mean that there aren't companions I wish i could romance as a gender that isn't available. Is anyone saying this is game breaking? No. Is anyone saying that whichever companion we have a crush on should immediately be redesigned to fit what we want? Nope. 

   I don't want to put words into any-ones mouth but the impression I got from this thread wasn't of people bitching but rather people who are huge fans of bioware games talking about characters they like the look of. Sure, they are expressing slight disappointment about not getting to romance some of them but no one is saying this is the end of the world. Same with the 'white knight' idea not having been done as a m/m or f/f romance. The overwhelming majority of posts on it are just saying 'huh, this hasn't been done yet - would love to see it at some future point'.  

   As for:

 just rejoice in the fact that there ARE Gay/bi options in the game?.. 

 I, and I'm sure most of the people posting here, absolutely do! Bioware has a pretty freaking great record not just on including LGBT content but on the way they approach the approach social issues like this generally.

 This thread is by and large an attempt at constructive feedback - with a little side of fan swooning thrown in (mmmmmm... Sky...). Speaking only for myself any 'moaning' is done with great affection and tongue firmly in cheek.

 

p.s. If anyone wants to check out their panel from GaymerX2 I've popped a link in - its an interesting listen.

[Asdrubael Vect]

I think this is unreasonable.

 

I don't think your desire is unreasonable but I just don't think it is reasonable for Bioware to fill all the possible factions with romance options.

 

I think games should be BROADLY representative of people but i don't think you need to include every possible form of sexual orientation including all the nuanced varriations that people can and do identify with. I think that Bioware has been very good at providing a BOARD representation of straight, bi and gay orientations. I also think they have been very good at presenting Thedas with a vast array of characters with different political, religious, social, economic and national motivations.

 

There are so many factions, with three broadly speaking sexual orientations represented in the game, if they gave each faction one romance option for the three orientations their numbers ballon, now add gender to the equation. I mean a gay companion doesn't help gay men if the companion is female and it isn't representative of gay females if the comanion is male. With just three varriables (Faction, gender and orientation) the numbers skyrocket. Well beyond the budget of a 'AAA' rpg. They just cant provide that many romances in the game.

 

I'd prefer my writers to create characters based on the art of storytelling vs trying to check the numerious boxes so that every variable gets a check. Bioware is pretty damn inclusive in their romance options. They may not give every individual exactly what their subjective heart's desire but they are represenative of the world we live in and the world they have created.

 

Its fine to want Bioware to provide you with what you desire but one shouldn't expect them to do so. I wanted them to create female romances in DA2 that i desire but they didn't. I accepted this (with disappointment) because i did not expect my subjective desires to be filled by bioware because what I didn't like other people loved. When something is subjective you can't please everyone this means you WILL make choices that people dislike or hate. We as gamers should accept that sometimes WE will be the ones that dislike or hate the choice made and that doesn't mean the developer made a bad choice only that they made a choice we don't like. Which is not the same thing at all.

ok i do not like many in romances from DAO and DA2 but they was better what we have in DAI

 

in DAI for straight males give

 

andrastian non-mage human Orlais Chantry templar

 

andrastian non-mage human noble who is a best old firend of lelianna spy/assasin of the Orlais Chanty

 

even that some really put that straight males have the same number(and thats not about numbers) that gays and lesbians

 

this does not cover the fact that those 2 Li are almost the same by their nature, their beliefs...they are created mostly for the only humans non-mages inquisitors, for humans pro Orlais pro andrastian pro Chantry pro Templars Inquisitor

 

they will not romance you if you would be other that those type of character. if you belief and do everything what would oppose for what they fight and belief...this is look like you are a apostage blood mage who romance with fenris or cullen(forcing us to have him as Lelianna no matter what, was a very bad solution as "herald of andraste" thing)

 

even if some as playing those who oppose for every for what those characters stands for, and can deal with their personality, who they are and those LI will romance with you for some reason even if you will try to do all what must make you their enemies-not friend at least

 

...it s bad as human hawke romance with merril(i like merril always was friend and support her, but in canon never romancing her as human  hawke...personaly i was like to have avelin for hawke or someone who is not a isabella)...i am happy that solas does not have those problem and he does not romance humans and i am sure he will not romance some inquisitors who do those things what he cant like or respect..yeah the first character who is not a playersexuality slave.

 

DAO have real different opposive characters to romance as DA2, in DAI only females(they does not have only some dwarf man to romance for a full collection..2 really different humans, elf and kossith) and gays with lesbians have those difference and opposive options

 

i was asked for a future story DLC to add a 1+ female non-human non-andrastian companion/advisor who would by her nature and beliefs oppose those 2 almost the same Li what straight males have now...the 1+ li option who would be created for non-humans non-andrastians, pro-mages, anti-Orlais anti-Chantry, anti-Templar characters.....make them make her race restricted if it helps to make her better

[Natashina]

So...you want more romances because you have the same number as the amount of gay and lesbian players?  Um, sorry, but no.   I can't feel much more than pity for comments like this anymore, and even that is running thin.

 

I refuse to be sorry you're not used to it.  I'm a tiny bit sorry if you think that you aren't getting what you wanted.   I am sorry that you have made up your mind about the straight lady LIs before the came has come out, because that's a crappy way to look at things.  

 

Wow, good thing I know better than to completely judge a game before it's even come out, otherwise that would get depressing.  No wonder you're acting this way.  Go get a hug from someone you like.  That will help you feel better.

 

Besides, that isn't the point of this thread at this junction.  It's about sharing what kind of bisexual and/or homosexual romance folks would like to see in future DA installments.  By and large, the thread is quite aware that this game is done.  I haven't seen the words, "Give us a DLC!" come from the overwhelming majority of the posters in this thread.  We have been offering suggestions for the future, for DA4 and beyond.

 

In fact, one of the only people in this thread that has even mentioned some sort of silly "Romance DLC" for this game is you.

 

As it stands, most of us choose to acknowledge the words of Mike Laidlaw and others that have clearly stated that there is not going to be any DLC companion for DA:I.  

 

Several members of the DA team have also said time and time again that they won't write a companion just for romance.  No matter who is asking for it.  This includes any straight players that feel slighted by having the same options as the LGBT community.    This also includes any LGBT players asking for the DA team to add a DLC to this or any installment of the DA games just for romance.  By and large, the LGBT community on the forums has shown being aware of this.

 

The DLC requests, by the way, I have seen little of coming from this thread.  The LGBT community overall has shown that we know better than to ask the DA team to give us a DLC for Inquisitor just for another romance option.

 

Also, how to do you know exactly that they ladies are almost the same in nature?  I'm fascinated by this mystical copy of the game that so many folks seem to be playing.  It's like tea leaves.   A few surface details, a couple of trailers, some comments by the devs and suddenly these posters can see in the magic cup and KNOW THE FUTURE!!

[Semyaza82]

   Not sure I completely understood everything you were saying Asdrubael but I don't think its fair to say the Cassandra and Josephine are almost the same. Yes both are human, and like most humans in the game are Andrastian, but that's pretty much it. We really don't know very much about Josephine's personality yet but as she is a diplomat it seems a given that she will be very different from Cassandra who, lets face it, we really wouldn't describe as diplomatic

  Plus there is no reason to assume that Josephine is anti mage in any way. Lelianna, and in fact the Divine herself, are good examples of characters who are very, very much pro Chantry but not anti mage.

   I can get wanting to add a another race as a choice for straight male players but I think the two options already in place are pretty different in terms of character.

[Asdrubael Vect]

So...you want more romances because you have the same number as the amount of gay and lesbian players?  Um, sorry, but no.   I can't feel much more than pity for comments like this anymore, and even that is running thin.

 

nope i do not

 

i said what and why and this is not about numbers but differences and options who are different by their nature

[R0vena]

 A character you may have been completely bro's with in one game becomes your love in another opening up new understandings of what makes the character tick.  Or another character you may not have liked much on your first run suddenly becomes more fun and interesting as you discover this new aspect to the writing put into them until you run through another game romancing them.

 

 

Indeed. I could barely stand Morrigan until I finally romanced her with male  PC. Changed my opinion of her a lot. Now I look at her in the completely new light and enjoy her friendship path much more.