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[Asdrubael Vect]

   Not sure I completely understood everything you were saying Asdrubael but I don't think its fair to say the Cassandra and Josephine are almost the same. Yes both are human, and like most humans in the game are Andrastian, but that's pretty much it. We really don't know very much about Josephine's personality yet but as she is a diplomat it seems a given that she will be very different from Cassandra who, lets face it, we really wouldn't describe as diplomatic

  Plus there is no reason to assume that Josephine is anti mage in any way. Lelianna, and in fact the Divine herself, are good examples of characters who are very, very much pro Chantry but not anti mage.

   I can get wanting to add a another race as a choice for straight male players but I think the two options already in place are pretty different in terms of character.

i think you at lest see more then others and understand most of what i wrote

 

this is still fair

 

they of course and may have some slightly differences(of course they are not identical twins-clones who are 100% copy of each others) but this is not change much and does not change who they are

 

those difference what you put its like choice between andrastian templar of priest....yes priest is not a warrior and more diplomat but their nature in common is almost the same as with their beliefs

 

Josephine is old and trusted Leliana(i think you must watch DAI demo in redlif when we see and heard lelianna and i thing you does not read masked empire when Divine via Lelianna ordered to deal with elven rebellion) friend who as Cullen(those templar kirkwall butcher who was not executed with his meredith) was put in Inquisition and was a ambassador-diplomat in Orlais

 

and yes she is still human,non-mage, still pro andrastian, pro Orlais and pro Chantry person as with Cassanrda....Cassanrda is Orlais Chantry templar, personal hand of 2 Divines

 

they are not really different and this is not just a race(of course this is not fair for 3 non-humans males Inquisitors who have no non-humans females in party to romance) this is more about

 

Morrigan vs Lelianna

 

damn even Vivienne is a loyalist and pro Chantry Circle mage and pro Orlais empire mage

[Semyaza82]

they of course and may have some slightly differences(of course they are not identical twins-clones who are 100% copy of each others) but this is not change much and does not change who they are

 

those difference what you put its like choice between andrastian templar of priest....yes priest is not a warrior and more diplomat but their nature in common is almost the same as with their beliefs

 

Josephine is old and trusted Leliana(i think you must watch DAI demo in redlif when we see and heard lelianna and i thing you does not read masked empire when Divine via Lelianna ordered to deal with elven rebellion) friend who as Cullen(those templar kirkwall butcher who was not executed with his meredith) was put in Inquisition and was a ambassador-diplomat in Orlais

 

and yes she is still human,non-mage, still pro andrastian, pro Orlais and pro Chantry person as with Cassanrda....Cassanrda is Orlais Chantry templar, personal hand of 2 Divines

 

they are not really different and this is not just a race this is more about

 

Morrigan vs Lelianna

I get what you mean, but a couple of things. First neither Josephine nor Cassandra are Orlesian. Josephine is Antivan, she just understands the politics of Orlais, so she isn't pro Orlais - just pro Inquisition. And while Cassandra is very definitely pro Chantry she is actually Nevarran and doesn't have (as far as i know) any particular pro Orlais stance apart from the fact it is where the Divine is.

 

Second I think the difference between them is far bigger than a priest and a Templar. In that case both have dedicated their lives to the same cause, they just serve it in different ways. The difference between a Seeker and a diplomat is pretty major. Josephine may be best friends with Lelianna but she isn't her - and she isn't part of the chantry.

 

Finally, sorry but i don't understand the point you made about the Elven rebellion. When i mentioned the Divine before i was thinking of her involvement in Pharamond's research and handling of the situation with Wynne as examples of her not being anti mage.

[XMissWooX]

I suppose I can see what you're getting at Asdrubael Vect - it does seem that straight males don't get all that much variety of LI in DA (on the surface, at least).

 

Straight males get:

DAO - 2 humans

DA2 - 1 human, 1 elf

DAI - 2 humans

 

Straight females get:

DAO - 1 human, 1 elf

DA2 - 1 human, 1 elf

DAI - 2 humans, 1 elf, 1 qunari

 

Gay males get:

DAO - 1 elf

DA2 - 1 human, 1 elf

DAI - 1 human, 1 qunari

 

Gay females get:

DAO - 1 human

DA2 - 1 human, 1 elf

DAI - 1 human, 1 elf

 

So if you were hoping for a more varied range of LIs for DAI, I can sympathise with that.

That said, don't write Cass and Josie off just yet - they may pleasantly surprise you.

 

 

 

Edit: And still no dwarves...  

Modifié par XMissWooX, 24 octobre 2014 - 12:50 .

[Lieutenant Kurin]

i think you at lest see more then others and understand most of what i wrote

 

this is still fair

 

they of course and may have some slightly differences(of course they are not identical twins-clones who are 100% copy of each others) but this is not change much and does not change who they are

 

those difference what you put its like choice between andrastian templar of priest....yes priest is not a warrior and more diplomat but their nature in common is almost the same as with their beliefs

 

Josephine is old and trusted Leliana(i think you must watch DAI demo in redlif when we see and heard lelianna and i thing you does not read masked empire when Divine via Lelianna ordered to deal with elven rebellion) friend who as Cullen(those templar kirkwall butcher who was not executed with his meredith) was put in Inquisition and was a ambassador-diplomat in Orlais

 

and yes she is still human,non-mage, still pro andrastian, pro Orlais and pro Chantry person as with Cassanrda....Cassanrda is Orlais Chantry templar, personal hand of 2 Divines

 

they are not really different and this is not just a race(of course this is not fair for 3 non-humans males Inquisitors who have no non-humans females in party to romance) this is more about

 

Morrigan vs Lelianna

 

damn even Vivienne is a loyalist and pro Chantry Circle mage and pro Orlais empire mage

 

First of all, we have no idea what her relationship with Cullen is like. In fact, in the only video we have of them together, they seem to disagree! She's most definitely not non-mage. At the very least, her viewpoint is neutral.

 

So, to the bolded. She is human yes. She is not against mages, possibly distanced entirely from the templar/mage viewpoints, she's not pro-Orlais, or even Orlesian. She's Antivan, which is a completely different society. And as for Andrastian and pro-Chantry, we have no idea of her thoughts. Most humans are Andrastians, this is true, but that hardly means pro-Chantry. She is ultimately entirely different from Cassandra, and even different from Leliana.

[Panda]

and yes she is still human,non-mage, still pro andrastian, pro Orlais and pro Chantry person as with Cassanrda....Cassanrda is Orlais Chantry templar, personal hand of 2 Divines

 

they are not really different and this is not just a race(of course this is not fair for 3 non-humans males Inquisitors who have no non-humans females in party to romance) this is more about

 

Josephine is human and non-mage but I don't understand where you are assuming those other things. I don't remember seeing those stated anywhere. She might not be andrastian, pro-Orlais or Pro-chantry at all, her stance on those things is still unknown.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Josephine is human and non-mage but I don't understand where you are assuming those other things. I don't remember seeing those stated anywhere. She might not be andrastian, pro-Orlais or Pro-chantry at all, her stance on those things is still unknown.

as Antivan human noble who work as ambassador and diplomat in Orlais Empire and old friend of Lelianna trusted enought by Cassandra to be in Inquisition it is impossible for her to not be a andrastian and not a pro Orlais Chantry person and anti-Orais empire person

 

and even if she is maybe neutral for mages(i am sure that as most of andrastians she is not support apostages/rebellion mages if they would want to not bow to Orlais Chantry and templars and live by their own), non-humans and "heretics" she will never be anti-templar or anti-Orlais Chanrtry person

[Xilizhra]

First of all, we have no idea what her relationship with Cullen is like. In fact, in the only video we have of them together, they seem to disagree! She's most definitely not non-mage. At the very least, her viewpoint is neutral.

 

So, to the bolded. She is human yes. She is not against mages, possibly distanced entirely from the templar/mage viewpoints, she's not pro-Orlais, or even Orlesian. She's Antivan, which is a completely different society. And as for Andrastian and pro-Chantry, we have no idea of her thoughts. Most humans are Andrastians, this is true, but that hardly means pro-Chantry. She is ultimately entirely different from Cassandra, and even different from Leliana.

To be fair, Antiva seems even worse than Orlais, and the only people with good things to say about it have been vicious assassins.

 

I personally am fearing that Sera will be anti-mage. Josephine probably won't be, but I wouldn't really want to romance someone on the same part of the spectrum as Aveline, or even Varric.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

as Antivan human noble who work as ambassador and diplomat in Orlais Empire and old friend of Lelianna trusted enought by Cassandra to be in Inquisition it is impossible for her to not be a andrastian and not a pro Orlais Chantry person and anti-Orais empire person

 

and even if she is maybe neutral for mages(i am sure that as most of andrastians she is not support apostages/rebellion mages if they would want to not bow to Orlais Chantry and templars and live by their own), non-humans and "heretics" she will never be anti-templar or anti-Orlais Chanrtry person

She's played ambassodor to many Thedas royal families. She has only ever represented Antiva's interests, not Orlais'. And many andrastians, such as Leliana and the current Divine, don't want mages to bow down to the Chantry. Plus, the Inquisition is about stopping the templar mage war, both factions being separate from the Chantry. By the start of DAI, the templars, seekers, and circle have all abandoned the Chantry completely.

 

What I'm saying is meet her and talk to her before you assume things. Any things.

 

AND THIS IS NOT A JOSEPHINE DISCUSSION THREAD. THIS IS ABOUT BISEXUAL and or GAY ROMANCES.

[Asdrubael Vect]

josephine is bisexual

[daveliam]

I can totally understand being disappointed that both of the LI's for straight males are brunette human women.  It's always nice to have a variety.  But, that being said, I'm not convinced that that's really enough at this point.  I mean, look at Morrigan and Leliana.  They are both human women but have very different personalities.

 

I'm just not convinced that Cassandra and Josephine are anything alike, outside of being brunette human women in the Inquisition.  Josephine strikes me as kind, intelligent, politically savvy, and feminine.  Cassandra is passionate, fiery, and a warrior.  Cass has a devotion to the Chantry, as a Seeker.  Josephine has a passion for the Inquisition, as a friend of Leliana and diplomat.

 

They just don't seem all that similar to me.  But, I do understand that having 5 out of 6 of the straight male options as humans seems a bit skewed and it would be nice for them to have other non-human LI's since other demographics get them.

[Semyaza82]

Again, really not sure where you are getting the pro-Orlais part. Neither Cassandra or Josephine are Orlesian. As for working as a diplomat within Orlais making her pro-Orlais, that makes no sense. For example, the American ambassador to Russia isn't pro-Russian, he would just have an understanding of Russian politics.

old friend of Lelianna trusted enought by Cassandra to be in Inquisition 

Since when does Cassandra get to pick who is allowed in the Inquisition? Given the fact that Iron Bull and Solas both seem to non Andrastian (and the fact the Inquisitor doesn't have to be either) seems pretty clear we can't assume her religious beliefs based on membership. As for anti Templar - we have literally no idea what she thinks of them. Remember, at this point the Templar order has broken away from the Chantry. Even the most devout Andrastian in Thedas might be hugely anti-Templar by this point.

[Asdrubael Vect]

To be fair, Antiva seems even worse than Orlais, and the only people with good things to say about it have been vicious assassins.

 

I personally am fearing that Sera will be anti-mage. Josephine probably won't be, but I wouldn't really want to romance someone on the same part of the spectrum as Aveline, or even Varric.

Josephine family do assasinations as we see in demo...she is antivan noble merchant after all

 

i am not think that sera would be anti mage rather than neutral...sera cares for poors and not like human nobles as we can understand, she is not even from elven rebellions but from thiefs

[daveliam]

Josephine family do assasinations as we see in demo...she is antivan noble merchant after all

 

 

Is this confirmed?

 

Spoiler

I thought that she was being hunted by an assassin.  I didn't see anything suggesting that her family was assassins. 

[R0vena]

From the description you could assume that Alistair is pro-Chantry and anti-mage, but if you play the game you find out it is not the case at all.

So Josephine also could surprise you.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Again, really not sure where you are getting the pro-Orlais part. Neither Cassandra or Josephine are Orlesian. As for working as a diplomat within Orlais making her pro-Orlais, that makes no sense. For example, the American ambassador to Russia isn't pro-Russian, he would just have an understanding of Russian politics.

Since when does Cassandra get to pick who is allowed in the Inquisition? Given the fact that Iron Bull and Solas both seem to non Andrastian (and the fact the Inquisitor doesn't have to be either) seems pretty clear we can't assume her religious beliefs based on membership. As for anti Templar - we have literally no idea what she thinks of them. Remember, at this point the Templar order has broken away from the Chantry. Even the most devout Andrastian in Thedas might be hugely anti-Templar by this point.

ok do you know da lore? about Orlais, Antiva, and Andrastians, Orlais chantry?

 

Antivans as Starhavens, especially nobles never be anti Orlais and anti Orlais Chantry and anti andrastians.

 

Cassandra after her brother was killed by mages dragon worchipers most of her life was raised and serve in Orlais as templar/seeker...she is the same Orlais as Lelianna who was a ferelden by her birth but most of her life live in Orlais

 

 

She with her seekers do Inquisition she put lelianna, josephine, recruit Cullen with his kirkwall templar butchers and all others..Inquisitor get what she give to him and he cant say get lost Cassandra

[Lieutenant Kurin]

Is this confirmed?

 

Spoiler

I thought that she was being hunted by an assassin.  I didn't see anything suggesting that her family was assassins. 

Yes she's being hunted, she's not one herself.

 

And I think the thread is being derailed. There is a thread all about Josephine, and it's not this one.

[Asdrubael Vect]

From the description you could assume that Alistair is pro-Chantry and anti-mage, but if you play the game you find out it is not the case at all.

So Josephine also could surprise you.

alister is a grey warden, he was trained as templar(he was forced to be one of them and he does not like this) but never been one

 

and he is neutral to mages and no so andrastian and he does not like Orlais at all

 

not talking that he is the one who send Orlais chantry templars away from ferelden circle

[Lieutenant Kurin]

ok do you know da lore? about Orlais, Antiva, and Andrastians, Orlais chantry?

 

Antivans as Starhavens, especially nobles never be anti Orlais and anti Orlais Chantry and anti andrastians.

 

Cassandra after her brother was killed by mages dragon worchipers most of her life was raised and serve in Orlais as templar/seeker...she is the same Orlais as Lelianna who was a ferelden by her birth but most of her life live in Orlais

 

 

She with her seekers do Inquisition she put lelianna, josephine, recruit Cullen with his kirkwall templar butchers and all others..Inquisitor get what she give to him and he cant say get lost Cassandra

Antiva isn't Starkhaven, and if you know Kirkwall or Fereldan, you should know that not all nobles are pro-Orlais. And being a friend with someone doesn't mean that you have even similar personalities. Also being Andrastian is no proof that someone is pro-Orlais. Just because the Chantry calls it home doesn't mean I love the country.

Again, WE KNOW NEXT TO NOTHING ABOUT ANTIVA. We've met a few Crows, that's it. If you want to know more about Josephine I suggest checking here: http://forum.bioware...view=getnewpost

 

This thread is certainly not about Josephine or Cassandra.

[Semyaza82]

ok do you know da lore? about Orlais, Antiva, and Andrastians, Orlais chantry?

 

Antivans as Starhavens, especially nobles never be anti Orlais and anti Orlais Chantry and anti andrastians.

 

Cassandra after her brother was killed by mages dragon worchipers most of her life was raised and serve in Orlais as templar/seeker...she is the same Orlais as Lelianna who was a ferelden by her birth but most of her life live in Orlais

 

 

She with her seekers do Inquisition she put lelianna, josephine, recruit Cullen with his kirkwall templar butchers and all others..Inquisitor get what she give to him and he cant say get lost Cassandra

I'm well aware of the lore - and i know nothing at all that backs up the idea that an Antivan noble can never be anti-Orlais. Antiva is not a vassal state of Orlais. If you simply mean the Chantry that is a totally different thing from the state of Orlais. Yes the chantry is in Orlais, but it is not exclusively Orlaisian.

And we don't actually know that Cassandra was raised in Orlais - we know that at some point after her brothers death she joined the Seekers, nothing in Dawn of the Seeker tells us when. Given her dragon fighting skills seems a fair bet that she stayed with her family for at least some time before joining them though.

And sorry, the last line i literally don't understand what you are saying.

[sylvanaerie]

So...you want more romances because you have the same number as the amount of gay and lesbian players?  Um, sorry, but no.   I can't feel much more than pity for comments like this anymore, and even that is running thin.

 

I refuse to be sorry you're not used to it.  I'm a tiny bit sorry if you think that you aren't getting what you wanted.   I am sorry that you have made up your mind about the straight lady LIs before the came has come out, because that's a crappy way to look at things.  

 

Wow, good thing I know better than to completely judge a game before it's even come out, otherwise that would get depressing.  No wonder you're acting this way.  Go get a hug from someone you like.  That will help you feel better.

 

Besides, that isn't the point of this thread at this junction.  It's about sharing what kind of bisexual and/or homosexual romance folks would like to see in future DA installments.  By and large, the thread is quite aware that this game is done.  I haven't seen the words, "Give us a DLC!" come from the overwhelming majority of the posters in this thread.  We have been offering suggestions for the future, for DA4 and beyond.

 

In fact, one of the only people in this thread that has even mentioned some sort of silly "Romance DLC" for this game is you.

 

As it stands, most of us choose to acknowledge the words of Mike Laidlaw and others that have clearly stated that there is not going to be any DLC companion for DA:I.  

 

Several members of the DA team have also said time and time again that they won't write a companion just for romance.  No matter who is asking for it.  This includes any straight players that feel slighted by having the same options as the LGBT community.    This also includes any LGBT players asking for the DA team to add a DLC to this or any installment of the DA games just for romance.  By and large, the LGBT community on the forums has shown being aware of this.

 

The DLC requests, by the way, I have seen little of coming from this thread.  The LGBT community overall has shown that we know better than to ask the DA team to give us a DLC for Inquisitor just for another romance option.

 

Also, how to do you know exactly that they ladies are almost the same in nature?  I'm fascinated by this mystical copy of the game that so many folks seem to be playing.  It's like tea leaves.   A few surface details, a couple of trailers, some comments by the devs and suddenly these posters can see in the magic cup and KNOW THE FUTURE!!

 

Damn where do I get one of those!?!    I don't want to wait any longer...

[R0vena]

alister is a grey warden, he was trained as templar(he was forced to be one of them and he does not like this) but never been one

 

and he is neutral to mages and no so andrastian and he does not like Orlais at all

 

not talking that he is the one who send Orlais chantry templars away from ferelden circle

but how much of that do we know before we play the game?)

[daveliam]

I agree with Kurin, I'm not sure if I'm understanding how this topic relates to the thread outside of the fact that Josephine is bisexual. 

[General TSAR]

@Bioware We want "Cullen for male romance too" , please , is not fair, the character male Bisexual  is a Qunari, WTF. For the women is the hot ,nice and good Josephine. But  For man is a Qunari to romance , ...unfair..

And I want a wool sock as a romance option, we can't all get what we want. 

[Semyaza82]

I agree with Kurin, I'm not sure if I'm understanding how this topic relates to the thread outside of the fact that Josephine is bisexual. 

Agreed - we've veered wildly off topic. I'd like to suggest if anyone wants to carry on talking about Cass/Scribbles more generally we make a new thread in Characters section.

 

p.s. Sorry all - fully aware i was part of the derailing

[R0vena]

back on topic. I have a question.

What exactly makes "knight in shining armor" archetype? The fact that he is, in fact, a knight (a warrior in DA language)? The fact that he has a noble and protective personality? Combination of both?

I never thought of it as purely a class-restricted, to be honest, so for from my point of view Dorian could be the knight in shining armor for all we know.