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[Br3admax]

Dude, she may be nuts, but you're stretching, in my opinion.

How? No mention of her acting that way before. Then voices save her life in an extremely traumatic moment, and they just had to speak to her.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Dude, she may be nuts, but you're stretching, in my opinion.

It is common narrative plot building. You do not include defining character traits, unless you plan to expand on it. You don't include something in the story, unless you plan on using it basically. In this case, her being insane, would not be included just for the sake of her being insane. Because that wouldn't make for interresting story development. Why is she insane narratively speaking?

 

We have a few elements in this section of story  to keep in mind.

She was captured and nearly gangraped.

Feynriel somehow knew of this and intervened (probably found her in the Fade while she was passed out).

Feynriel warped the minds of the girls captors to such a degree that they tore eachother apart.

When we meet her, she barely registers the scene of absolute carnage that would've just played out before her eyes. Even if she didn't witness the killings themselves, the amount of dead bodies warrant a reaction froma  young captive girl. Yet nothing.

Instead she is now suddenly deeply, and madly, in love with a person she has NEVER met, and set out to find him. A man which we know, can easily manipulate minds, as previously shown.

 

I'm sorry, but the evidence stack here, does not speak in favor of Feynriel.

[AltanIV]

Tranquil. The kid begged me to end his misery, it woud have been cruel to deny his wish.

Yet it would be funny if in the end and if we ever meet him again it would not turn as well as we thought it would ( and I sent him tp tevinter)

[DarthLaxian]

Tranquil.

 

How you people can justify that (It's worse than murder - at least killing someone outright is HONEST...violating their human rights, oppressing them, brainwashing them and then finally destroying their personality (which is murder - the body just lives on as a mindless work-drone that has no sense of self anymore...)...disgusting!) is something I will never understand!

 

Yes, he is at savely with the Imperium

 

I am I moderate on the mage issue? - Yes and no

 

Yes, because I don't want the templars all dead (I'd rather have the order disbanded and templar techniques incorporated into what every city-watch teaches its' people - as well as the regular armies having a branch trained in those abilities...If a mage goes rogue (meaning he hurts/kills people with magic - without it being self defense or work related (wouldn't go after a grey warden for example - would expect them to police themselves!)...but I would not have things like blood magic carry an automatic death-sentence...case by case choice - no generalisations etc.) they can hunt (at least if the mages don't take care of it) him or her - otherwise they are to leave mages alone

 

No, because you can't compromise on freedom IMHO...it's a basic human right and taking it away because of something the individual (the mage in question) has no control over is firstly unjust, secondly unfair and thirdly discrimination at its' finest (it's equally as bad as discriminating against people of certain skin colours!)...I would agree that mages need to be trained (mandatory training) but no captivity after passing the final test (something like the Harrowing)

[HK-90210]

How you people can justify that (It's worse than murder - at least killing someone outright is HONEST...violating their human rights, oppressing them...disgusting!) is something I will never understand!

 

The kid BEGGED Hawke to do it(in most cases). That is him making a choice. He doesn't want to live in fear of hurting himself or others anymore. He was that close to giving into a demon and becoming an abomination capable of making people tear each other apart. To me, choosing tranquility is a brave act that he's choosing of his own free will to benefit both himself and others. It's the best choice in a sad scenario.

 

A lot of us fall under this reasoning.

[Who Knows]

Not like you're forcing him to go to Tevinter when you spare him.

[Bigdoser]

The kid BEGGED Hawke to do it(in most cases). That is him making a choice. He doesn't want to live in fear of hurting himself or others anymore. He was that close to giving into a demon and becoming an abomination capable of making people tear each other apart. To me, choosing tranquility is a brave act that he's choosing of his own free will to benefit both himself and others. It's the best choice in a sad scenario.

 

A lot of us fall under this reasoning.

So I am curious how do people get him to that point? Where he begs? Since I refuse to make him tranquil by the end of the fade he has confidence that he can control his power and he lets us out of the fade.

[AltanIV]

I'm sorry, but the evidence stack here, does not speak in favor of Feynriel.

 

I feel like you're overreacting a tiny little bit. Feynriel came in her dream, probably told her that she would be safe. Made sure her captors would kill each other. Yet did he force her to love him ? It didn't feel like it. Feels like she overreacted because of the previous events. And as far as I'm concerned it doesn't speak in her favor.

 

Then again we do not assist to whatever happened in the Fade and as such it would be hard to tell if he is a good or a bad guy and as far as I'm concerned he probably is a bit of both.

[riverbanks]

Yet it would be funny if in the end and if we ever meet him again it would not turn as well as we thought it would ( and I sent him tp tevinter)

 

It would definitely be interesting if the cure for Tranquility renders my Hawke's choice null and makes my Inquisitor have to deal with a possessed somniari anyway. I'm satisfied with my choice to make him Tranquil because that's what fit my Hawke better, but any plot twist that can screw up with my Inquisitor's life is always welcome.

 

So I am curious how do people get him to that point? Where he begs? Since I refuse to make him tranquil by the end of the fade he has confidence that he can control his power and he lets us out of the fade.

 

You have to choose mostly bottom dialogue choices throughout the quest, telling Feynriel very clearly that he's in a dream and needs to wake up. Instead of coddling him with half-baked lies and platitudes (aawn poor kid I'm sure your daddy loved you), you're just honest the whole way through (this is a dream your daddy is a demon you need to wake up kid). When you come to the end of the quest Feynriel understands and acknowleges that he's trapped in a dream and he just can't handle it, or the true magnitude of his power, so he begs you to kill him in the Fade, thus making him Tranquil in the real world. You can't fault the kid for being scared, but as another poster mentioned earlier, you're just not sugar-coating the truth and it turns out Feynriel can't handle the truth.

[HK-90210]

So I am curious how do people get him to that point? Where he begs? Since I refuse to make him tranquil by the end of the fade he has confidence that he can control his power and he lets us out of the fade.

 

 

Here's the whole sequence. Mostly, it involves being honest when you're appearing to Feynriel. Tell him that the Keeper and his father are demons, and he panics. When you come back and talk with him, he begs you to kill him. When you say that you'll only make him tranquil, he sees it as a blessing. And thanks you when you do it.

 

You can still encourage him to go to Tevinter, but to me, that seems foolish. If you convinced him to see through the demons himself, however, he doesn't see being tranquil is a good thing. I've never gone that route of making him Tranquil. That's a little too cruel.

[Who Knows]

So I am curious how do people get him to that point? Where he begs? Since I refuse to make him tranquil by the end of the fade he has confidence that he can control his power and he lets us out of the fade.

http://dragonage.wik...r_and_killed_it

 

 

Depending on how you react to the demons, sometimes he asks you to kill him, sometimes he does not.

[Bigdoser]

It would definitely be interesting if the cure for Tranquility renders my Hawke's choice null and makes my Inquisitor have to deal with a possessed somniari anyway. I'm satisfied with my choice to make him Tranquil because that's what fit my Hawke better, but any plot twist that can screw up with my Inquisitor's life is always welcome.

 

 

You have to choose mostly bottom dialogue choices throughout the quest, telling Feynriel very clearly that he's in a dream and needs to wake up. Instead of coddling him with half-baked lies and platitudes (aawn poor kid I'm sure your daddy loved you), you're just honest the whole way through (this is dream your daddy is a demon you need to wake up kid). When you come to the end of the quest Feynriel understands and acknowleges that he's trapped in a dream and he just can't handle it, or the true magnitude of his power, so he begs you to kill him in the Fade, thus making him Tranquil in the real world. You can't fault the kid for being scared, but as another poster mentioned earlier, you're just not sugar-coating the truth and it turns out Feynriel can't handle the truth.

I don't consider the top options to be coddling him instead making him realize and confront all his Insecurities plus I recall Merethari telling you literally that you should not bluntly tell him that he is in the fade because of his condition and that it weakens his mind. 

 

edit: So I watched it did he know that you killing him in the fade would make him Tranquil? I don't see him begging for Tranquillity. 

[riverbanks]

I don't consider the top options to be coddling him instead making him realize and confront all his Insecurities plus I recall Merethari telling you literally that you should not bluntly tell him that he is in the fade because of his condition and that it weakens his mind. 

 

Okay, but then we go back to the same "people play the game in different ways and there's no right or wrong way to play this quest" debate we just had on the last page. You asked how it could be accomplished, and that's how it's accomplished. Every other moral debate about this is up to roleplaying.

[Bigdoser]

Okay, but then we go back to the same "people play the game in different ways and there's no right or wrong way to play this quest" debate we just had on the last page. You asked how it could be accomplished, and that's how it's accomplished. Every other moral debate about this is up to roleplaying.

Well all I am saying is that is clearly ignoring Marethari instructions on how to save the poor lad. Lets not forget his mother killing herself if he is made Tranquil. 

 

Edit: After looking into the other route and watching the video I can personally never do it.

[Muspade]

Okay, but then we go back to the same "people play the game in different ways and there's no right or wrong way to play this quest" debate we just had on the last page. You asked how it could be accomplished, and that's how it's accomplished. Every other moral debate about this is up to roleplaying.

If Fenris put his hand through to rip your heart out, it would either be black or non-existent. 

[riverbanks]

If Fenris put his hand through to rip your heart out, it would either be black or non-existent. 

 

Aaaaaw, you're too kind. (◡‿◡✿)

[TK514]

Regardless of how you handle it, the fact of the matter is he was under assault by three greater demons to begin with, and he wasn't strong enough to defend himself without outside intervention.  Intervention that may not be available the next time.  Sure, maybe he'll be good enough to survive on his own, but he's already failed once, and he's still fillet mignon to every greater demon that sees him.  Nothing, at the point of that quest, suggests he will be able to fend off the next assault on his own.

 

Maybe you're willing to take the chance, but that in no way suggests that it is a safe bet, or even a chance worth taking.

[Master Warder Z_]

Or Wand salesmen.

[Reaver102]

Only at BSN can saving a girl from rape be construed as manipulation.

[HK-90210]

Only at BSN can saving a girl from rape be construed as manipulation.

 

Only on the BSN can a country girl's blase reaction to her captors going crazy and tearing eachother apart be considered normal.

[VillainQueen]

I send him to Tevinter. I think being Tranquil is such a terrible fate, I would have rather killed him than doing that to him.
And well the demon deal would have been far too dangerous.
But I hope we see him again to see which solution was the best.

[SmilesJA]

Yes. Given the amount of information we have been given, that is exactly what I am saying.

 

Really? He saved her from being raped and it's his fault that she's gone nuts. Is there any proof that he magically influenced her or anything?

[SmilesJA]

 

It is more the fact, that Feynriel has so far failed horribly to manage his own problems. And he presents a very clear threat to ALL of Thedas. The chance that something may go wrong, is simply too big.

 

And you can remedy that by sending him to tevinter where he can properly control his powers.

[Br3admax]

I made him Tranquil again today. I thought it was rather poetic to watch my FemHawke melt him magic to make him Tranquil, and who am I to stand in the way of figurative language? 

[Sable Rhapsody]

It would definitely be interesting if the cure for Tranquility renders my Hawke's choice null and makes my Inquisitor have to deal with a possessed somniari anyway. I'm satisfied with my choice to make him Tranquil because that's what fit my Hawke better, but any plot twist that can screw up with my Inquisitor's life is always welcome.

 

The mages know how to cure Tranquility now, and there's a huge green hole in the sky with Fade pouring through willy-nilly.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if we come across formerly Tranquil characters like Owain or potentially Feynriel.  I wonder if his powers would still be as strong after being Tranquil?  We never really saw Pharamond do much magic, but he was pretty messed up when he joins up with the party in Asunder.