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[SpiritMuse]

It would definitely be interesting if the cure for Tranquility renders my Hawke's choice null and makes my Inquisitor have to deal with a possessed somniari anyway. I'm satisfied with my choice to make him Tranquil because that's what fit my Hawke better, but any plot twist that can screw up with my Inquisitor's life is always welcome.
 

 
You have to choose mostly bottom dialogue choices throughout the quest, telling Feynriel very clearly that he's in a dream and needs to wake up. Instead of coddling him with half-baked lies and platitudes (aawn poor kid I'm sure your daddy loved you), you're just honest the whole way through (this is a dream your daddy is a demon you need to wake up kid). When you come to the end of the quest Feynriel understands and acknowleges that he's trapped in a dream and he just can't handle it, or the true magnitude of his power, so he begs you to kill him in the Fade, thus making him Tranquil in the real world. You can't fault the kid for being scared, but as another poster mentioned earlier, you're just not sugar-coating the truth and it turns out Feynriel can't handle the truth.

I don't consider the top options coddling, either, nor sugarcoating. It's more like giving hints to the reality of the situation and pointing him towards figuring it out for himself rather than just bluntly giving him the answer. If you let him get to the answer on his own it turns out he can handle it just fine.

By the way, when you use the blunt options but have also made the deal with the demon, and you betray and kill the demon in the end with Feynriel standing right there, he will be confident and wanting to go to Tevinter again. So that's interesting.

[Br3admax]

No he doesn't. When you let him just run away, he doesn't even realise the demons are there. He barely even recognizes the fact he's in the Fade. 

[Lulupab]

I don't consider the top options coddling, either, nor sugarcoating. It's more like giving hints to the reality of the situation and pointing him towards figuring it out for himself rather than just bluntly giving him the answer. If you let him get to the answer on his own it turns out he can handle it just fine.
By the way, when you use the blunt options but have also made the deal with the demon, and you betray and kill the demon in the end with Feynriel standing right there, he will be confident and wanting to go to Tevinter again. So that's interesting.

The truth to the matter is Dreamers are very capable of washing the floor with demons and are not in grave danger like normal mages provided they are trained. Dreamers are like magneto and demons are like metals. Venatori probably have dreamers in their ranks because only they can open the fade at will at anytime. They can bend the demons to their will or destroy them.

Feynriel is in a bad position but the fact that he makes it to Tevinter and trains for several years it means there is almost no chance he is going to get possessed and the only possible danger would be him turning evil on purpose and his own will.

[foolishquinn]

Well I do quite think that Feryriel would have some control and if encouraged by Hawke and the mages who wish to control him. Its an inventible consequence of his apprenticeship, cannot spell the country's name.

 

The sheltered noble girl he helped, maybe had the hots for her, but when she gets sense with a reality sandwich you realise where the die fall.  

[foolishquinn]

Well I do quite think that Feryriel would have some control and if encouraged by Hawke and the mages who wish to control him. Its an inventible consequence of his apprenticeship, cannot spell the country's name.

 

The sheltered noble girl he helped, maybe had the hots for her, but when she gets sense with a reality sandwich you realise where the die fall.  

But with that he would have some manage of control and active motivation for doing the right thing, the inquisition would be the one to reach out to him maybe, looking for Hawke??

[Br3admax]

Dreamers are not more inherently powerful mages who can wipe the floor with demons. :\ 

[Lulupab]

Dreamers are not more inherently powerful mages who can wipe the floor with demons. :\

In the waking world? Certainly. A dreamer is in equal danger when engaged with a demon or abomination in physical form but in the fade they are so much more powerful than normal mages.

[Master Warder Z_]

Titus proved that.

Man was a bit of a wimp.

[Br3admax]

In the waking world? Certainly. A dreamer is in equal danger when engaged with a demon or abomination in physical form but in the fade they are so much more powerful than normal mages.

Source? Demons have all the powers dreamers have. As for them compared to the average mage, all they have as an advantage is entering others dreams. That's it. 

[Lulupab]

Sadly the only source is the comics and they might not be canon, but there is nothing against it as well. There is no proof that says Dreamers are not very powerful in the fade. (The trained ones anyway)

[Dean_the_Young]

Regardless of how you handle it, the fact of the matter is he was under assault by three greater demons to begin with, and he wasn't strong enough to defend himself without outside intervention.  Intervention that may not be available the next time.  Sure, maybe he'll be good enough to survive on his own, but he's already failed once, and he's still fillet mignon to every greater demon that sees him.  Nothing, at the point of that quest, suggests he will be able to fend off the next assault on his own.

 

Maybe you're willing to take the chance, but that in no way suggests that it is a safe bet, or even a chance worth taking.

 

Cold. True, but cold. It really does rely on the meta-expectation of the medium, the whole 'Bioware won't ruin something I spent so much time trying to make better!' that so rarely fails.

 

 

I've never made Feynriel tranquil, even for my pro-security/Templar Hawk, but that was largely for roleplay reasons. Feynriel's mother is a total E.L.F, and that Hawk was a bit sweet on her.

[Gorguz]

Dreamstalker ftw. The guy is more powerful than any other dreamer, since Torpor knowledge is ancient and wide. And the demon is ambitious. It wouldn't submit under the elder one, it would seek help to kill it. Also, Feynriel is "free". Torpor need is willing host only when he is sleeping. Dreamer Feynriel would be constantly under siege, and that could be a problem during Inquisition, since demons are in real world too. Tranquil Feynriel would be useless.

[Br3admax]

Um...What? 

[HK-90210]

Um...What? 

 

Don't engage. I think he played in a very different Thedas than you. One where making deals with demons was a perfectly acceptable thing to do, cause power.

[Loyal Tevinter]

I sent Feynriel to Tevinter for training. I wonder what the result will be in DAI.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I hope allowing him live will backfire as it should same with Emil making him tranq is best solution and it would be great prove that RoT is necessary not we don't have plenty of them.

[RobRam10]

Emil

Emile? Are you serious?

[The Baconer]

I wonder how they would implement the consequences for the Feynriel choice. Would it be one of the rare moments where playing the "nice guy" comes back to bite you in the ass? Is he randomly going to swoop in to aid your party in some fashion in the Fade? Are they going to avoid touching it because they know people get butthurt when past decisions are retroactively given a clearly "better" choice?

 

Above all I hope they won't resolve it with some offhanded reference or comment in order to make it inconsequential either way. I think the potential scope of Feynriel's power should mandate that, if you allow him (or especially Torpor) to keep it, any resulting consequence should be rather significant.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Emile? Are you serious?

 

Hmm what?