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[greywatch]

I love the new main theme. So far liking Morris' stuff, hoping it turns out more memorable than the first two games.

[Revan Reborn]

Dragon age doesn't have a sound, at least, not any coherent one. Any so-called memorable track from DA:O/DA2 is very much a Hans Zimmer style track. Again, I refer you to Ferelden at War or Dark Dawn. 

 

I'm curious what tracks are these memorable, serious, passionate tracks that evoke the darker themes of dragon age that somehow aren't bombasic Zimmer-like tracks. 

Those might be "memorable" to you. Plenty in the thread have posted Leliana's song, the main theme, Calenhad Docks, I am the One, the Warden's theme, etc. None of these songs are Hans Zimmer style at all. They actually have a soul and emotion. They aren't lifeless and loud for the purpose of trying to appear "epic."

[Lee T]

To my ears the new sountrack doesn't sound that much different from the older ones. It does sound less moody and more actionny, then again, maybe the game is. I hear more game of thrones than elder scroll though, this is nothing like Jeremy Soulés work. It's not as different as the style jump from the electronic throwback to the oldies sci-fi movies of ME1-2 to the strange mishmash of ME3.

[Revan Reborn]

I agree with the OP. While certainly well-made, the new main theme is too generic and lacks authenticity. It isn't a variation of the original theme like DA2's was, and it doesn't have a strong enough identity to stand on its own. You can say what you want about the old games' soundtracks, but their main themes were memorable and established a recognizable identity. This new one doesn't. At all. The old ones stayed in my mind long after I listened to them. The new one I forget after five minutes. In places it's even worse as it carries me to other fictional worlds

 

Maybe there will be some memorable tracks in the full soundtrack, but the main theme isn't it. I'm also not impressed by the other tracks linked in this thread. All that I can say is that they will probably work. Stand out they will not.

 

BTW, you can look to LotR's main theme to see how a big title can have a strong main theme. That one works because it uses a clearly distinguishable tone that doesn't sacrifice identity for established conventions. DAI's main theme is almost an incarnation of such conventions.

Exactly. This cannot be reiterated enough. If there was one thing that wasn't wrong with DAO/2, it was the unique and original soundtracks. This new approach was not necessary, and merely makes DAI appear more like other fantasy games rather than being unique in its own right. There is nothing memorable about any of the tracks that have been played. They are all generic, over-the-top, blood bumpers with no substance. They are well-executed and produced, but lack a spirit and emotion. We'll see what kind of reception this soundtrack has after many months of this game being available to the public.

[GenericEnemy]

Those might be "memorable" to you. Plenty in the thread have posted Leliana's song, the main theme, Calenhad Docks, I am the One, the Warden's theme, etc. None of these songs are Hans Zimmer style at all. They actually have a soul and emotion. They aren't lifeless and loud for the purpose of trying to appear "epic."

 

...ever thought that maybe there are tracks like that in DA:I, and you'll hear them when the game is out? Rather than before release? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Revan Reborn, you should stop speaking like your opinions are objective facts. 

[Revan Reborn]

...ever thought that maybe there are tracks like that in DA:I, and you'll hear them when the game is out? Rather than before release? 

Not at all. It is common practice for studios to generally release their most representative tracks during their marketing phase. I do not expect anything to be vastly different or remotely resemble the previous games from the tracks we have not heard. Certainly more Dragon Age-y themes and music would be appreciated if it is there somewhere.

[In Exile]

Those might be "memorable" to you. Plenty in the thread have posted Leliana's song, the main theme, Calenhad Docks, I am the One, the Warden's theme, etc. None of these songs are Hans Zimmer style at all. They actually have a soul and emotion. They aren't lifeless and loud for the purpose of trying to appear "epic."

 

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, because I think those are generally mediocre tracks we're better off without. 

 

At any rate, there's no coherent organizing principle between them, and there certainly isn't anything recognizably dark about them. Passionate, maybe, I'll give you that. But absolutely not even remotely dark. 

 

As for not being like Zimmer, you're not familiar with any range of his work.  Only his title cards and battle themes are "epic" tracks. For example:

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWm8-jlddaw

 

Edit:

 

And on the topic of calm themes with a passionate crescendo: 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5k60wnQP7A

[Revan Reborn]

Revan Reborn, you should stop speaking like your opinions are objective facts. 

I don't believe I ever made such a statement. Perhaps you should just stop searching for implied meanings that aren't there? You don't have to agree with my views, and certainly you never do. That being said, some of us in the community actually did appreciate Inon Zur's work and talents. You don't have to like it, but you can at least respect a difference of opinion. If not, better to say nothing if you have nothing good to say at all.

[Revan Reborn]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, because I think those are generally mediocre tracks we're better off without. 

 

At any rate, there's no coherent organizing principle between them, and there certainly isn't anything recognizably dark about them. Passionate, maybe, I'll give you that. But absolutely not even remotely dark. 

 

As for not being like Zimmer, you're not familiar with any range of his work.  Only his title cards and battle themes are "epic" tracks. For example:

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWm8-jlddaw

Really? I own many soundtracks he has produced... But yes, I'm "not familiar with any range of his work" even though I have addressed his work on a variety of occasions. Feel free to watch Inception or The Dark Knight trilogy. You'll get a sense of Hans Zimmer's work. I'm sure Interstellar will also be a great example as it will be out in theaters shortly.

[GenericEnemy]

Gladiator has bombtastic tracks by Hans Zimmer.

 

Then it has tracks like this by Hans Zimmer. 

 

 

No, we can't assume every track in the game is going to be the same from the small bit we've heard. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't believe I ever made such a statement. Perhaps you should just stop searching for implied meanings that aren't there? You don't have to agree with my views, and certainly you never do. That being said, some of us in the community actually did appreciate Inon Zur's work and talents. You don't have to like it, but you can at least respect a difference of opinion. If not, better to say nothing if you have nothing good to say at all.

It is implied by how whenever someone posts a different opinion, you basically explain why they are wrong. 

I appreciate Inon Zur's work as well.

Funny how you say that if I have nothing nice to say I shouldn't say anything at all when you practically insult a composer's work. 

[In Exile]

Really? I own many soundtracks he has produced... But yes, I'm "not familiar with any range of his work" even though I have addressed his work on a variety of occasions. Feel free to watch Inception or The Dark Knight trilogy. You'll get a sense of Hans Zimmer's work. I'm sure Interstellar will also be a great example as it will be out in theaters shortly.

 

I literally gave you examples of tracks that aren't bombastic or epic and sound very much like the DA:O background music. If you want to say that Zimmer tends to stick to title theme's and battle music that's one thing, because it's true. But to say that all of his tracks sound the same is just nonsense, since they quite literally don't. Same with saying that he does't have range, because he very obviously has it. 

 

So, yeah, you could own all the tracks in the world, and you'd still be completely wrong in what you said. 

 

Gladiator has bombtastic tracks by Hans Zimmer.

 

Then it has tracks like this by Hans Zimmer. 

 

 

No, we can't assume every track in the game is going to be the same from the small bit we've heard. 

 

Those aren't Zimmer's tracks, although they are part of the Gladiator soundtrack. 

[GenericEnemy]

Those aren't Zimmer's tracks, although they are part of the Gladiator soundtrack. 

 

Well, it's Zimmer and Lisa Gerrard. 

[Revan Reborn]

It is implied by how whenever someone posts a different opinion, you basically explain why they are wrong. 

I appreciate Inon Zur's work as well. Loved his KOTOR soundtrack. 

Funny how you say that if I have nothing nice to say I shouldn't say anything at all when you practically insult a composer's work. 

I've said multiple times Trevor Morris' soundtrack is very well-executed and produced. My issue with it is the fact it's not Dragon Age and it's extremely generic in nature. That's not an insult. I just don't believe his personal take on the soundtrack necessarily fits Dragon Age. It would certainly work wonderfully in other games.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I've said multiple times Trevor Morris' soundtrack is very well-executed and produced. My issue with it is the fact it's not Dragon Age and it's extremely generic in nature. That's not an insult. I just don't believe his personal take on the soundtrack necessarily fits Dragon Age. It would certainly work wonderfully in other games.

I was actually more referring to your comments about Zimmer, not Morris. 

[In Exile]

Well, it's Zimmer and Lisa Gerrard. 

 

The soundtrack as a whole, yes. I think the tracks you posted are pure Lisa Gerrard? 

[Revan Reborn]

I literally gave you examples of tracks that aren't bombastic or epic and sound very much like the DA:O background music. If you want to say that Zimmer tends to stick to title theme's and battle music that's one thing, because it's true. But to say that all of his tracks sound the same is just nonsense, since they quite literally don't. Same with saying that he does't have range, because he very obviously has it. 

 

So, yeah, you could own all the tracks in the world, and you'd still be completely wrong in what you said. 

 

 

Those aren't Zimmer's tracks, although they are part of the Gladiator soundtrack. 

I don't believe I said ever claimed he doesn't have variety. What I have stated is his style is well-cemented and he is the master of over-the-top and epic soundtracks. Virtually every composer either in Hollywood or the video game industry has followed his style in one way or another. But again, I believe I've made my opinion quite clear that I do not believe a Zimmer-esque soundtrack is appropriate for Dragon Age.

[Revan Reborn]

I was actually more referring to your comments about Zimmer, not Morris. 

I love Zimmer's music, when related to the proper setting. Dragon Age is not the setting for his style. Music isn't a one-size-fits-all endeavor.

[GenericEnemy]

The soundtrack as a whole, yes. I think the tracks you posted are pure Lisa Gerrard? 

 

Not that I know of. The vocals are obviously Gerrard, but I'm pretty sure it's joint produced. That song is pretty much always attributed to both of them. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I love Zimmer's music, when related to the proper setting. Dragon Age is not the setting for his style. Music isn't a one-size-fits-all endeavor.

Someone clearly hasn't heard of Guile's Theme. It goes with everything.

[In Exile]

I love Zimmer's music, when related to the proper setting. Dragon Age is not the setting for his style. Music isn't a one-size-fits-all endeavor.

 

Like three posts ago, this is what you said about Zimmer:

 

None of these songs are Hans Zimmer style at all. They actually have a soul and emotion. They aren't lifeless and loud for the purpose of trying to appear "epic."

 

If you love lifeless and loud music without a soul and emotion, I don't know what to say other than I guess that explains why you liked the background music in DA:O?

 

Not that I know of. The vocals are obviously Gerrard, but I'm pretty sure it's joint produced. That song is pretty much always attributed to both of them. 

Fair enough. I'm not actually that familiar with the Gladiator track. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Someone clearly hasn't heard of Guile's Theme. It goes with everything.

 

That's actually been disproven.

 

dead horse is dead

[Revan Reborn]

Like three posts ago, this is what you said about Zimmer:

 

None of these songs are Hans Zimmer style at all. They actually have a soul and emotion. They aren't lifeless and loud for the purpose of trying to appear "epic."

 

If you love lifeless and loud music without a soul and emotion, I don't know what to say other than I guess that explains why you liked the background music in DA:O?

 

Fair enough. I'm not actually that familiar with the Gladiator track. 

Funny guy. None of Hans Zimmer's work, traditional or unconventional remotely resembles music from DAO. As for DAO, we got the point a long time ago you clearly didn't like the music. I really begin to question arguments when one relies solely on semantics rather than substance to argue his/her points. You should be happy. Zur is out and Morris is in. Why argue with me whether DAO's music was good or bad? Clearly, BioWare must agree with you on some level. Truly a shame.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's actually been disproven.

 

dead horse is dead

No, it goes with the endings. Just doesn't change the quality of the endings.