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[Bigdoser]

New song for inquisition going by the title its the inquisitor theme. 

 

[In Exile]

Ah, that. Yes, that's true. It's more a problem of believable worldbuilding though. If pragmatic decisions didn't work, nobody would make them, and I hate how stories build up a mindset that's plainly delusional with their bias. Having said that, I'm not too worried about DAI in that regard. DAO and DA2 were reasonably OK, and I think I can hope for a more balanced presentation than in ME as long as I work towards good ends. I don't want to be the evil bastard, but I do want the story to acknowledge that pragmatism sometimes works.    

 

I'm not sure I would agree about DA2, but DA:O did have at least one wonderfully pragmatic choice in the anvil of the void. To me, not saving the anvil is insane. 

 

The problem with games trying to acknowledge pragmatism is that they often construct situations that aren't pragmatic. It's usually a forced in-the-moment choice between two extremes. 

[Revan Reborn]

Origins had the better soundtrack than DA2s. I liked more tracks than DA2s. I liked the Main theme of DA2, the Qunari music, and Fenris's theme.  ALL in all it was a rushed soundtrack.

 

Origins is more epic and emotional and brings back a lot of good memories.

 

I am LOVING what I've heard so far of Inquisition.  I think most of the issues people have is the fact they hate change.  I think people should hear the entire soundtrack before judging it.

I don't mind change. What I do not like is when a brand new composer disregards what has come before and with little reason to. How would you feel if instead of John Williams, someone else was chosen to compose the music for Star Wars: Episode VII and decided he wanted to "change" the entire theme and musical precedent set in previous films? This is to the point where the new sound for Star Wars isn't even recognizable or familiar with the old. I find that to be disrespectful and absurd to be quite honest. Every great franchise has a sound and a theme that resonates with it. You do not see these franchises soundtracks changing entirely into something alien and foreign. I see this as basic decency and common sense. From what we have heard of Trevor Morris' soundtrack, he has not respected the source material and the works that have come before it at all.

[In Exile]

New song for inquisition going by the title its the inquisitor theme. 

 

 

This is just strange. To me this track sounds more like the main theme of the game than the leitmotif of the Inquisitor. You can ever hear a lot of the same elements from his supposed main theme track in it. 

 

At this point I am of the opinion that the two released tracks are mislabeled. 

[Revan Reborn]

This isn't an argument about semantics. There's no debate over the meaning of what you said. You (1) said you think Zimmer's music has no soul or emotion and that it's lifeless and loud and (2) that you love Zimmer's music. This isn't semantics. This is literally copying and pasting what you said. 

Yes. It's copying and pasting by taking my words out of context because you love to use semantics as your main argument. This is why its hard to take you seriously when you aren't even discussing the substantive issues of the thread. Why are you even here?

[In Exile]

To illustrate what I mean, a leitmotif is very steady - it's not all over the place like this recent piece. To use an example: 

 

 

Fenris's theme is a great example of a leitmotif. It's a very steady song. 

The Inquisitor's supposed theme can be broken up into a lot of different dramatic parts. I don't like it as a theme at all. 

[Revan Reborn]

@In Exile:

Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. For DAO, I always found it important that an identity was established they could build on later, and as for describing the story incorrectly, it worked well enough for me that I didn't notice any inconsistency. Ferelden may not be a paradise, but the difference to the blighted lands is still drastic enough to make it work.

As for establishing identity, you can recognize how DAI's track is doing this wrongly as it becomes recognizeable as something else - namely, as you mention, it invokes landscape shots - and particularly those of the western genre. 

 

I would also like to say that the best tracks do both: they serve to illustrate the story *and* they have recognizeable leitmotifs. IMO that's what made the original Star Wars track so memorable. Meanwhile I don't agree that DAI's track establishes a leitmotif for the Inquisitor, because it's not distinctive enough to do that. Maybe the impression is different when starting up the game, but that's how it looks from here.

I agree entirely. How is what we have heard established the Inquisitor at all? None of the tracks from Morris are similar in melody, besides being over-the-top? There are no character themes here or cues to know when the Inquisitor moves into the scene. DAI's soundtrack as it so far has been shown is nothing more than background music and not actually adding to the experience, as was actually the case in most of the examples In Exile listed. DAI's soundtrack isn't even on that level.

[Revan Reborn]

I actually like the few new pieces from DA:I. It fits the open-world perfectly, reminds me a lot with Skyrim actually where my character just wonder at night to hear the ambiance music. Its the subtle ambiance music that helps a lot on immersing in such a beautifully presented world.

 

Inon Zur's pieces from DA:O and DA2 didn't help me much in the immersion of the high fantasy world. The main theme from DA:O's quite OK, and  Leliana's singing Uthenara is nice but it seems too... modern for me since she's actually singing it in the camp so there won't be all that much musical instrument that accompany. I actually like Skyrim type tavern songs which is only accompanied by one accoustric instrument (that the bard's playing at). Apparently on Skyhold's tavern there are similar stuff. It seems so great already!

 

Anyway, actually it's DA:I's themes that presented on the trailers that makes me decided that I had just to play the game. Like I start play Skyrime because of its music

This is one of my biggest disagreements in regards to Morris' soundtrack. In a lot of ways, this does sound like it should be something more so in The Elder Scrolls or The Witcher. That is the problem. That is not Dragon Age. BioWare shouldn't try to force Dragon Age to be something it never was. The franchise already has an identity problem as it is. If BioWare just changes their direction based on where the wind is blowing, no one will ever truly be able to take Dragon Age as seriously as some of the other RPGs on the market.

[Bigdoser]

This is just strange. To me this track sounds more like the main theme of the game than the leitmotif of the Inquisitor. You can ever hear a lot of the same elements from his supposed main theme track in it. 

 

At this point I am of the opinion that the two released tracks are mislabeled. 

Eh we just have to wait and see until we get our hands on the soundtrack I personally like the song either way. 

[Skymaple]

I agree entirely. How is what we have heard established the Inquisitor at all? None of the tracks from Morris are similar in melody, besides being over-the-top? There are no character themes here or cues to know when the Inquisitor moves into the scene. DAI's soundtrack as it so far has been shown is nothing more than background music and not actually adding to the experience, as was actually the case in most of the examples In Exile listed. DAI's soundtrack isn't even on that level.

I don't agree at all, almost all the tracks I've heard of DAI have some kind of resemblence, some parts where the melody is similar, etc. I enjoyed some of the music of DAO and DA2 a lot (I'm the one, Leliana's song, Main themes...) but that's it, the rest wasn't noticeable. DAI music has been incredible so far...

If you want me to point you to the similar parts in the different themes, just say so, but they're there...

[Revan Reborn]

I don't agree at all, almost all the tracks I've heard of DAI have some kind of resemblence, some parts where the melody is similar, etc. I enjoyed some of the music of DAO and DA2 a lot (I'm the one, Leliana's song, Main themes...) but that's it, the rest wasn't noticeable. DAI music has been incredible so far...

If you want me to point you to the similar parts in the different themes, just say so, but they're there...

I'm glad you hear the similarities. However, myself and virtually everyone else who agrees with the OP has made it clear there is no similarity. I've heard all of the tracks from DAI. None of the melodies are similar or familiar. The chorus doesn't match was has come before it at all. DAI is a completely new sound, and I'd argue very few would say it isn't. That is why this thread has received so much attention. The reason many like DAI's soundtrack is because it doesn't sound like DAO or DA2. I agree with them, which is why I don't enjoy DAI's soundtrack. It pays no respect to its predecessors and lacks consistency.

[Skymaple]

I'm glad you hear the similarities. However, myself and virtually everyone else who agrees with the OP has made it clear there is no similarity. I've heard all of the tracks from DAI. None of the melodies are similar or familiar. The chorus doesn't match was has come before it at all. DAI is a completely new sound, and I'd argue very few would say it isn't. That is why this thread has received so much attention. The reason many like DAI's soundtrack is because it doesn't sound like DAO or DA2. I agree with them, which is why I don't enjoy DAI's soundtrack. It pays no respect to its predecessors and lacks consistency.

Maybe I missunderstood you, I thought you were also referring to DAI soundtracks with "How is what we have heard established the Inquisitor at all? None of the tracks from Morris are similar in melody, besides being over-the-top?" Sorry if that's the case, I thought you were saying that Morris' soundtracks in DAI lacked cohesiveness. I don't know, I enjoyed a lot, as I said, some of the DAO and DA2 soundtracks and I listen to them a lot, but the problem is that those are really scarce. Apart from the more significant themes, the other ones were not that good. With DAI (there has been a huge change, ofc. although it still sounds like DA to me) all of the tracks are meaningful, worth listening on their own, at least that's how I feel about it. And I'll really miss a song like "I'm the one" or "Leliana's song" if there's none, but I don't think that will be the case.

[Eledran]

I liked Inon Zur's work, a fresh new wind is never bad however. What I've heard of the new OST was fantastic and I've heard nowhere near all of it.

[Revan Reborn]

Maybe I missunderstood you, I thought you were also referring to DAI soundtracks with "How is what we have heard established the Inquisitor at all? None of the tracks from Morris are similar in melody, besides being over-the-top?" Sorry if that's the case, I thought you were saying that Morris' soundtracks in DAI lacked cohesiveness. I don't know, I enjoyed a lot, as I said, some of the DAO and DA2 soundtracks and I listen to them a lot, but the problem is that those are really scarce. Apart from the more significant themes, the other ones were not that good. With DAI (there has been a huge change, ofc. although it still sounds like DA to me) all of the tracks are meaningful, worth listening on their own, at least that's how I feel about it. And I'll really miss a song like "I'm the one" or "Leliana's song" if there's none, but I don't think that will be the case.

They all are certainly consistent in trying to be "epic." I think his music is phenomenal and incredibly executed, I just don't believe it sounds like Dragon Age. DAO and DA2 had a very unique and different kind of sound that I've never heard in other fantasy franchises or RPGs. DAI is much more generic in the sense that it could really be from any franchise. It sounds like DAI has taken a lot more inspiration from games such as The Witcher and The Elder Scrolls rather than Dragon Age. While change can be good to a point, completely disregarding the past and not remembering from where you came from is a tragedy, in my opinion.

 

I will still play the game and enjoy it. I just have a feeling I'll be sad as there won't be those really unique and special songs that DAO and DA2 incorporated. All of the songs may not have been "memorable," but for me I'll take the quality few over the generic many any day.

[Sandy]

Got to say that I wastly prefer what I've heard from Trevor Morris over what we have gotten from Inon Zur. I really like Inon's work, especially the Baldur's Gate II stuff, but I think his Dragon Age music only had a few memorable tunes and didn't really give dragon age enought 'epic' scores (epic not as in good, but as in grand in scale). Also, I always disliked the combat music in DA:O and DA2, always waaaaaaaaaaay too much heavy brass instruments that got on my nerves during long battles.

 

Trevor Morris seems to have moved away from that in favor of a more orchestral strings/vocals with drums combination which I really like. I really adore the DA:I main theme and the Inquisitor theme that I've heard so far, and I'm confident that I will love the DA:I soundtrack even more than I liked DA:O and DA2.

[Skymaple]

They all are certainly consistent in trying to be "epic." I think his music is phenomenal and incredibly executed, I just don't believe it sounds like Dragon Age. DAO and DA2 had a very unique and different kind of sound that I've never heard in other fantasy franchises or RPGs. DAI is much more generic in the sense that it could really be from any franchise. It sounds like DAI has taken a lot more inspiration from games such as The Witcher and The Elder Scrolls rather than Dragon Age. While change can be good to a point, completely disregarding the past and not remembering from where you came from is a tragedy, in my opinion.

 

I will still play the game and enjoy it. I just have a feeling I'll be sad as there won't be those really unique and special songs that DAO and DA2 incorporated. All of the songs may not have been "memorable," but for me I'll take the quality few over the generic many any day.

Well, if you listen carefully, there's definitely a DA feel about DAI music as well (and it isn't hard to find):

Listen to the first 20 seconds of this song:

 

And then listen to the rest of DAI songs and you'll realize that motif is repeated throughout the OST.

With variations during the whole Main Theme of DAI and at the end or in the middle of different DAI themes: in the "Inquisitor" theme and at the end of the "Combat" theme.

[Revan Reborn]

Well, if you listen carefully, there's definitely a DA feel about DAI music as well (and it isn't hard to find):

Listen to the first 20 seconds of this song:

 

And then listen to the rest of DAI songs and you'll realize that motif is repeated throughout the OST.

With variations during the whole Main Theme of DAI and at the end or in the middle of different DAI themes: in the "Inquisitor" theme and at the end of the "Combat" theme.

I have to politely disagree. With respect to the DA2 main theme, it's a more darker and solemn version of DAO with female vocals.

 

None of the DAI tracks are similar to that in any respect. The only comparison I'd be able to make is that the Inquisitor theme starts off initially slow and with little effect. Once we get to the main chorus, it's clearly a different sound and melody. Again, I hear more similarities to The Witcher or to The Elder Scrolls than I do to Dragon Age Origins or 2.

[Skymaple]

I have to politely disagree. With respect to the DA2 main theme, it's a more darker and solemn version of DAO with female vocals.

 

None of the DAI tracks are similar to that in any respect. The only comparison I'd be able to make is that the Inquisitor theme starts off initially slow and with little effect. Once we get to the main chorus, it's clearly a different sound and melody. Again, I hear more similarities to The Witcher or to The Elder Scrolls than I do to Dragon Age Origins or 2.

Hmmm I'm not talking about the mood of the music, but the actual melody. Sorry, but I'm a musician, and I've taken the time to write down the notes for that fragment and compare it to some parts of the DAI songs, and what a surprise! it's almost the same with few differences in the tonalities in which they're played... If you don't want to notice or hear it, it's Ok, I understand you liked the previous work better, but that doesn't mean some fragments of the melody of DAI songs aren't inspired by Inon Zur's work.

[Gothfather]

i felt the theme songs of the all three games fit the story.

 

DA:I has a more tragic tone to it vs the first two, but we are now in an enviorment torn apart by fantaics on both sides of the mage/templar war. I think this new theme fits Daragon age of the "now."

[Revan Reborn]

Hmmm I'm not talking about the mood of the music, but the actual melody. Sorry, but I'm a musician, and I've taken the time to write down the notes for that fragment and compare it to some parts of the DAI songs, and what a surprise! it's almost the same with few differences in the tonalities in which they're played... If you don't want to notice or hear it, it's Ok, I understand you liked the previous work better, but that doesn't mean some fragments of the melody of DAI songs are inspired by Inon Zur's work.

Fantastic. I'm a musician as well. Music runs in my family, and I have been a cellist for well over a decade. I love how you try to use this as an argument to refute my point? They aren't similar, and the entirety of the thread has made that abundantly clear. As you, yourself, stated, and this is directed back at you, "[if] you don't want to notice or hear it (the fact that they are clearly different), it's OK." Honestly, please think before you assume what someone is or what they know.

[Revan Reborn]

i felt the theme songs of the all three games fit the story.

 

DA:I has a more tragic tone to it vs the first two, but we are now in an enviorment torn apart by fantaics on both sides of the mage/templar war. I think this new theme fits Daragon age of the "now."

I agree entirely that DAI's soundtrack fits DAI. The issue I take with it is the fact it lacks any chemistry or similarity to the previous works. There should at least be some inspiration instead of just being something entirely disconnected and new.

[Skymaple]

Fantastic. I'm a musician as well. Music runs in my family, and I have been a cellist for well over a decade. I love how you try to use this as an argument to refute my point? They aren't similar, and the entirety of the thread has made that abundantly clear. As you, yourself, stated, and this is directed back at you, "[if] you don't want to notice or hear it (the fact that they are clearly different), it's OK." Honestly, please think before you assume what someone is or what they know.

*Facepalm* OK, I'll leave it at that. I'm not going to talk about my career, because that's not what we're talking about, I just said I was a musician, and if you tried to write the notes down and transpose it, you'll see, you don't want to? Ok. And by no means I said something implying you didn't know, just that maybe you hadn't thought about it. If it seemed rude to you, then I'm sorry, I'm not a native speaker and maybe I said something inappropriate. But well, that's it, I'll stop. If you are interested in where I have discovered the similarities in the melody, you can PM me, but I won't try to convince you of anything. And it's easy to refute your point... if you say the melodies have nothing to do with previous works and some fragments are obviously inspired by them... well... (I don't say the whole of it because they are indeed different, but I mean there're fragments that remind of that little motif of the DA series).

[Revan Reborn]

*Facepalm* OK, I'll leave it at that. I'm not going to talk about my career, because that's not what we're talking about, I just said I was a musician, and if you tried to write the notes down and transpose it, you'll see, you don't want to? Ok. And by no means I said something implying you didn't know, just that maybe you hadn't thought about it. If it seemed rude to you, then I'm sorry, I'm not a native speaker and maybe I said something inappropriate. But well, that's it, I'll stop. If you are interested in where I have discovered the similarities in the melody, you can PM me, but I won't try to convince you of anything. And it's easy to refute your point... if you say the melodies have nothing to do with previous works and some fragments are obviously inspired by them... well... (I don't say the whole of it because they are indeed different, but I mean there're fragments that remind of that little motif of the DA series).

No worries. We just have a difference of opinion. I personally do not hear any similarities whatsoever, and I have played through DAO and DA2 more times than I'd care to share.

 

It seems to be BioWare's modus operandi now to change composers; first ME now DA.

 

The difference, in my opinion, between the two composers: Zur's music you feel, Morris' you hear.

 

I would rather feel.

This is a great way to express it. Zur had a way of making the audience truly resonate with his music my impacting you to your core.

 

I do not have that same experience with Morris as it's merely just a well-produced piece. It just fails to speak to me the way Zur's music does. That's why I believe DAO/2's soundtracks were superior. Morris' massive changes lost the soul and spirit of Dragon Age.

[Bigdoser]

It seems to be BioWare's modus operandi now to change composers; first ME now DA.

 

The difference, in my opinion, between the two composers: Zur's music you feel, Morris' you hear.

 

I would rather feel.

Eh felt nothing personally while listening to zur music in dragon age origins I personally thought the soundtrack was just "okay" for those two games. I only remember like 2 songs from DAO and 2 more from DA2. With DAI? I am going to buy the soundtrack for sure and thats going on my phone.

[CronoDragoon]

Eh felt nothing personally while listening to zur music in dragon age origins.

Agreed. There are three tracks that I remember: the title theme, Leliana's song, and the camp theme. The common thread here that made them stand out isn't just Inon Zur: it was Aubrey Ashburn as well. By himself, I don't feel Zur made very memorable tracks at all, with the exception of Hawke's theme in DA2.