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[Fredvdp]

I believe Jesse Houston confirmed on the Facebook live chat that Shepard is still a Spectre.

[T0paze]

I guess it's not much of a spoiler.

The guy shows up, one of the councilors says that some rumors about his revival have been unsettling (meaning his connection with the Cerberus), but in the end they do reinstate his Spectre status, even though they do not provide any resources.

The problem is that after that Shepard should've been able to ditch Cerberus and contact the Alliance. After all, Cerberus is known as a terrorist organization. However, he cannot do that.

Modifié par T0paze, 24 janvier 2010 - 04:41 .

[DarkSpiral]

While I have considered thsi issue myself, I've also considered the fact that (being as it is totally obvious) that Bioware thought of it. So, I have faith they at least touched on the subject. I know you can travel to the Citadel, afterall. We've seen video snippets of Shepard greeting Councilor Anderson, afterall. However, if they DID just slap you on the back and re-instate your shadow operative status, I think that would be rather...odd.



I mean, Shepard DIES. Not "almost" dies. Not held in cryo. Not his heart stopped beating for a few minutres and they resuscitated him. They rebuilt a dead body, and reanimated him using mystical future-tech. If the galaxy-wide multispecies govt DIDN'T take extreme caution with what could very easily be a reanimated meat puppet with the Elusive Man pulling the strings, I'd be disapointed in their naivety.



I'd also like to see a chance to explore issue of the state of his soul. I;m not looking for a metaphysical journey here (I'll play a JRPG for that stuff). Just a chance to talk about it to someomne. Ashley comes to mind. So does the Consort. Hell, so does Anderson. Has this EVER HAPPENED BEFORE in the Mass Effect Universe? I'll bet it hasn't, considered the time and cost in resources.

[DarthCaine]

T0paze wrote...

I guess it's not much of a spoiler.

The guy shows up, oneof the councilors says that some rumors about his revival have been unsettling, but in the end they do reinstate his Spectre status

That's not completely true, you get a choice

[SwordsmanofShadow]

One of the councilors? You mean Anderson or Udina?

[T0paze]

DarthCaine wrote...

T0paze wrote...

I guess it's not much of a spoiler.

The guy shows up, oneof the councilors says that some rumors about his revival have been unsettling, but in the end they do reinstate his Spectre status

That's not completely true, you get a choice

Yes, you can reject the Council's offer. However, that would be your choice, not theirs - they are ready to reinstate your status.

[DarkSpiral]

DarthCaine wrote...

T0paze wrote...

I guess it's not much of a spoiler.

The guy shows up, oneof the councilors says that some rumors about his revival have been unsettling, but in the end they do reinstate his Spectre status

That's not completely true, you get a choice

Well good.  Even if I'm sure, as a player, that it won't change anything, I'll explore that possibility.  It makes little sense for a dedicated servant of the Alliance (which my Shep is) to not even TRY to contact his own people.

[T0paze]

SwordsmanofShadow wrote...

One of the councilors? You mean Anderson or Udina?

In my game, it was the Salarian councilor. I did save the Council in ME1, after all.

[SwordsmanofShadow]

T0paze wrote...

SwordsmanofShadow wrote...

One of the councilors? You mean Anderson or Udina?

In my game, it was the Salarian councilor. I did save the Council in ME1, after all.

Awesome. Now I know what I'm going to do first in ME2.

Modifié par SwordsmanofShadow, 24 janvier 2010 - 04:45 .

[Sialboats]

I'd think after he has died the brass at Arcturus would have revoked his SA clearances, rank authority, and would have closed his operational file. The council would have almost certainly revoked his SpecTRe status, as it's something very, very valuable.

[DarkSpiral]

Sialboats wrote...

I'd think after he has died the brass at Arcturus would have revoked his SA clearances, rank authority, and would have closed his operational file. The council would have almost certainly revoked his SpecTRe status, as it's something very, very valuable.

I'm not sure revoked would be the right term.  You don't revoke a dead soldiers ranks...you simply give him a funeral.

[DPSSOC]

T0paze wrote...

That's a valid question, actually. I didn't like this aspect in Mass Effec 2.

The fact that Shepard died doesn't explain anything. He doesn't have any bureaucratic problems because of that.

Do you have any idea the paper work that needs to be filed to declare someone dead without a body?  Then factor in the amount of paper work to not only retract the declaration of death but to put forward a declaration of ressurection.  If they let Shepard go back in the Spectres or Alliance ME2 would consist of 200 hours of filling out forms and filing appeals.

Declaring someone dead is a lengthy and complex legal process when there's no way to confirm, reversing that declaration is an even lengthier and more complex legal process.

[DaPinkMenace]

Well If shepard lose his spectre status, he can still kick ass, the only problem is that it not legal anymore. I don't see why the council wouldn't reinstate him.

[Yojimboo]

Shepards Spectre status is not revoked, it's inactive, well because he was technically dead. I don't want to spoil it here but you will see different results if you made certain decisions concerning the Council at the end of ME1.

[VoyagerI]

From the streams I saw...

SPOILERS


Your Spectre status was never formally revoked, but you are no longer considered to be an active agent (because, y'know, you're supposed to be dead).

If you allowed the council to die in the first game, the new Council will refuse to meet with you because they feel you prioritize humanity too heavily over the rest of the species. This means they will not reinstate your active Spectre status. According to others, they're happier to work with you if you saved them instead.

However, if you made Anderson a councilor, he'll reinstate your Spectre status himself. He comments that the rest of the council will object, but they can't really stop him and you never really stopped being a Spectre anyways. However, no additional resources are provided and it seems to have little impact over the course of the game.

If you left Udina in charge, he won't make such an offer.

Modifié par VoyagerI, 24 janvier 2010 - 07:01 .

[MacMichael]

One thought on why he may no long be a Spectre, besides having aparently died, is that he's dealing with the Terminus Systems.  Could be that they don't even want someone as loosely tied as a Spectre causing trouble there due to the threat of war, which was one of the reasons they were so resistant to doing anything in ME1.  So, Shepard goes completely unofficial while working there.

[Yojimboo]

BTW i just want too add something, if a soldier dies his rank don't get stripped from him, he will be buried with said Rank.

[CrybabyXD]

VoyagerI wrote...

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If you left Udina in charge, he won't make such an offer.

what a surprise Udina stabs you in the back again?

[Yojimboo]

Aurkia wrote...

VoyagerI wrote...

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If you left Udina in charge, he won't make such an offer.

what a surprise Udina stabs you in the back again?

What exactly did you expect from a power hungry coward?

[JudgeQwerty]

...I wonder if that rules out Udina and TIM being allies?

[Ktauliss]

JudgeQwerty wrote...

...I wonder if that rules out Udina and TIM being allies?

Speculation, but who is to say TIM would want Shepard to have Spectre status?  Honestly my impression of Udina is that he would not jeopardize his political position without 'explicit' written direction.  

Reading in the books gives strong indication of link between Terra Firma Party and Cerberus.  Udina's statements 
and attitudes seem to hint at a possibility that Udina is aligned with Terra Firma Party.  This does NOT mean that he is part of Cerberus or has any knowledge of what TIM might/might not want.

[Kyria Nyriese]

One thing I can think of, is because there was no body to bury, right now it takes 7 years to declare someone dead if there is no proof of them dying.  Now, from what we have seen, between snipits that have come out, it may well be that someone saw Shepard die and so he/shewas declared dead immediately.  However, until such time as I have had a chance to play the game and see the direction it went in, I see no reason for either the Council or the Alliance to reinstate Shepard if he/she was considered either KIA or MIA.  Reason being, where has Shepard been for the past 2 years, and what secrets did he/she give away.   Remember folks, governments are paranoid creatures from necessity.  While I can see that Shepard could get his/her rank and Spectre status back in time, it wouldn't necessarily be in time to stop the Collectors so it would be better to work with Cereberus (I hate that group with a passion and is the only thing in ME 2 that I wish was different from what I've seen thus far).

That's just my 2 credits worth on this topic.

[T0paze]

DPSSOC wrote...

T0paze wrote...

That's a valid question, actually. I didn't like this aspect in Mass Effec 2.

The fact that Shepard died doesn't explain anything. He doesn't have any bureaucratic problems because of that.

Do you have any idea the paper work that needs to be filed to declare someone dead without a body?  Then factor in the amount of paper work to not only retract the declaration of death but to put forward a declaration of ressurection.  If they let Shepard go back in the Spectres or Alliance ME2 would consist of 200 hours of filling out forms and filing appeals.

Declaring someone dead is a lengthy and complex legal process when there's no way to confirm, reversing that declaration is an even lengthier and more complex legal process.

Man,

You speculate. I know. That's the difference. The Council does reinstate you as a Spectre (at least if you saved it in ME1 and choose to accept their offer in ME2).

Modifié par T0paze, 24 janvier 2010 - 11:51 .

[Icematt12]

Wouldn't Sheperd be listed officially as MIA but persumed to be KIA. Might still justify a memorial service, maybe something built on the Citadel. Somebody drifting in space in an environment suit could be rescued.

Modifié par Icematt12, 25 janvier 2010 - 01:00 .

[ARK of ILKS]

YOUR ALL CRAZY. HE GOES TO THE FRAKING CITADEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone finds out his alive & kicking. EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!